You know there is also a display with that audio!

[sube]

The ID on the CTX and e-trac are the best that's out there don't know about the manticore yet.
If you don't have either how would you know compare to the nox with it's wishy washy ID I would never rely on it either .
Most detectors do not have a ID that matches CTX or e-trac that's why people just hunt by tone as I do but when I want to know what it is I look at the ID because it is very accurate .
Hoping the manticore has a better ID than the CTX but I don't think so but the manticore has lot's to offer that the CTX does not have .sube

 

[Diga]

Detector,

I would sure like to see video evidence, or at the very least, a technical explanation as to how an electromagnetic field can penetrate further into a medium that has a much greater density than air.

Must be Sunday. Cause you guys are talkn' all liquored up !

I WISH!

Ha ha. We don't need a particular day of the week to get liquored up

 

[UT_Dave]

I'm sure, like myself, most people know the very first thing they would do IF they got a new detector is take it to their favorite pounded hot spot. I'm also sure that is what those with the new detectors are doing.

So, first a disclaimer. I haven't watched any of the Manti "test" videos coming out and I probably won't. I just DGAF. I'm going to get one for myself and see how it works for myself. From the scant few previous "test" videos I've ever watched for other machines, I don't need or want to see them for the Manti.

Don't know what I'm missing, on any of these videos, is the point above.

To the point that:

...very first thing they would do IF they got a new detector is take it to their favorite pounded hot spot.

Uh, no, no I won't be.

"Favorite" and "Pounded" are mutually exclusive terms, to me? Pounded sites are NOT my favorites. They are my LEAST favorites.

First site I'm going to take my Manticore to is a high EMI site that is almost un-huntable with my Nox 800. I have to run 20Khz at 15 sensitivity to run the machine stable at this spot. It's a sled hill, within walking distance of my house. Sled hills, traditionally for me, have provided a lot of .925 and even some gold. This one hasn't, yet.

I'm hoping (not expecting) the Manticore will allow me to hunt this spot more effectively. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But I'm super curious to find out. And it's the closest spot to my house. So that's the first spot I'll take my Manticore.

The next spot after that? "Wherever" I would have been taking my Nox 800 and that definitely is NOT a POUNDED site. I'm always searching around for "fresh turf" and just because I got a new machine doesn't mean I'm going to be going back to spots I know are already pounded to death.

Screw those spots... Not where I'll be playing with my new machine. I'll be going to the same kind of spots I hope to do good with my Nox. "New to me". I don't see the point of going back to spots I already know have been pounded to death just because I got a new machine. Those spots suck.

- Dave

 

[robby4570]

Screw those spots... Not where I'll be playing with my new machine. I'll be going to the same kind of spots I hope to do good with my Nox. "New to me". I don't see the point of going back to spots I already know have been pounded to death just because I got a new machine. Those spots suck.

- Dave

That's fine, don't go back, just send me a list of those spots with addresses or GPS Coordinates. I'll do them for ya!

 

[UT_Dave]

That's fine, don't go back, just send me a list of those spots with addresses or GPS Coordinates. I'll do them for ya!

Happy to? Not like pounded spots are hard to find?

- Dave

 

[KOB]

I think the idea of going to a "pounded " area is to see if your new machine will unearth something your other detectors could not. That to me makes sense. Don't spend all day there if there's nothing. Not that it sucks. Never know till you try.

 

[UT_Dave]

I think the idea of going to a "pounded " area is to see if your new machine will unearth something your other detectors could not. That to me makes sense. Don't spend all day there if there's nothing. Not that it sucks. Never know till you try.

I get that. But that ain't me.

I sort of figure, thinking a new machine, is going to find stuff my Nox 800 can't, is semi delusional. I mean, sure, a few fringe targets, here and there, it's possible, maybe even likely.

But a new machine isn't going to put targets back in the ground or turn back time. If I put the coil over something that had been missed before - that's all it is - this time I put the coil over the spot. It's not the machine. It's just the luck of the swing.

The far less common occurrence of, I dig a signal I wouldn't have dug with the Nox and it turns out good? Well, heck, I can do that just as good at a new spot that's full of promise as I can at one I already know for darn certain has been swung to death.

I'm getting a Manticore because I think I'll have more fun using it than I do my Nox. I hope, it does, in fact, unlock the occasional iffy signal I wouldn't have dug before. But I don't think they'll be many of those. If the Manticore moves the decision from it could be, to it probably is, it won't make a difference. I already dig stuff that sounds like it could be.

Moving the decision from don't dig, to dig? I just don't think those are going to happen very often and they may as well happen looking for less pounded spots.

And, it's not like I won't be hunting plenty of pounded spots while trying not to.

Going back to spots I wouldn't go with my Nox, just because I have a new machine? Nah... I'd rather spend my time prospecting for less hammered ground.

- Dave

 

[woodbutcher]

I am getting so tired of all these *cough* test videos that pay little to no attention to VDI results. Why even do a video if all you concentrate on is the audio? Especially since the Manticore seems to finally show the value of a good VDI. Gee, who knows, it could well help encourage other manufacturers to develop more useful VDI systems.

Please stop ignoring the VDI results on your videos. Not everyone is an audio nut.

Also, we've already seen enough nail vs coin videos. Get out to that old pounded site and show us the results. You know that is what everyone wants to see, and we all know that is the true test for any detector. If it can't do it, then say so.

Relic hunters. I'm with you on what your saying Detector, I've seen enough tests with the coin over,under and beside a pile of nails . Worthless ... But to be specific on your original post,the ID is rarely shown on these tests for a reason,it's not a good ID machine.

 

[UT_Dave]

Rambling add on to my previous...

I already know what kind of depth I get, on what kind of targets, in what kind of dirt, in what kinds of trash conditions, in what kind of EMI, with my Nox.

I don't need to go back to old worn out spots to know if a new machine is performing better. I'll be able to tell that at any site.

Whenever new machine threads get going and old timers start beeching and moaning about how the machine doesn't matter, it's "research" and "site selection".

Well... I agree. It's research and location. That doesn't change for me just because I'm getting a new machine. I'm not going back to spots I've already written off as "pounded". I'm going to continue looking for new ground, with my new machine.

And, like I said. I feel pretty confident I'm able to take note of any increased performance, in any ground, whether I've ever hunted it before or not. And, like I've said, I'll be hunting plenty of pounded sites while trying not to. It's pretty easy to call a pounded site after a couple hours - you KNOW. And if you don't, you need more practice. I'll have PLENTY of opportunity to see how the Manticore does in "pounded" sites. I'm just going to be trying not to.

Going back to spots that I know have sucked for years now, just seems like a waste of time "to me". But, to each his own. If re-hunting your favorite, familiar old worn out spot is what gets you fired up about a new machine, more power to you!

I'm not changing my location strategy for a new machine though. So I won't be taking my new Manticore to old spots I know are already hammered. I'll be taking it to new spots that I didn't know were already hammered.

- Dave

 

[KOB]

Rambling add on to my previous...

I already know what kind of depth I get, on what kind of targets, in what kind of dirt, in what kinds of trash conditions, in what kind of EMI, with my Nox.

I don't need to go back to old worn out spots to know if a new machine is performing better. I'll be able to tell that at any site.

Whenever new machine threads get going and old timers start beeching and moaning about how the machine doesn't matter, it's "research" and "site selection".

Well... I agree. It's research and location. That doesn't change for me just because I'm getting a new machine. I'm not going back to spots I've already written off as "pounded". I'm going to continue looking for new ground, with my new machine.

And, like I said. I feel pretty confident I'm able to take note of any increased performance, in any ground, whether I've ever hunted it before or not. And, like I've said, I'll be hunting plenty of pounded sites while trying not to. It's pretty easy to call a pounded site after a couple hours - you KNOW. And if you don't, you need more practice. I'll have PLENTY of opportunity to see how the Manticore does in "pounded" sites. I'm just going to be trying not to.

Going back to spots that I know have sucked for years now, just seems like a waste of time "to me". But, to each his own. If re-hunting your favorite, familiar old worn out spot is what gets you fired up about a new machine, more power to you!

I'm not changing my location strategy for a new machine though. So I won't be taking my new Manticore to old spots I know are already hammered. I'll be taking it to new spots that I didn't know were already hammered.

- Dave

Interesting approach and I totally get it. I guess your soil/ground conditions must all be the same. And /or there must be so much unlimited acreage to hunt for it to be "new". Or you are driving very far. As a beach hunter , I can drive 1.5 hours one way to a beach. And for the most part they have all been slammed. BUT , the conditions can literally change by the hour. Unlike scouting new dirt territories.

 

[Cherry Picker]

All good input guys. My main complaint is that there is so much room, and need in my opinion, to improve on target ID, yet we sit around and complain because the same old !!!! just gets a new name and calls it new technology. I happen to believe VDI technology is the next frontier. Not much else left to improve on.

The ability to detect a target at 12" or more has been around for years, It's called All-Metal mode, and the ability to determine good from bad at depth has been a matter of skill and knowledge of their detector. Yes, location is #1 when it comes to success, but when you have half a dozen other detectorists hit that well known location, you need an edge. Experienced people call that edge skill.

Five years from now when we're in the middle of the VDI wars just remember who helped fuel that battle.

 

[KOB]

I have trouble thinking 5 minutes out from me , let alone 5 years.

 

[robby4570]

All good input guys. My main complaint is that there is so much room, and need in my opinion, to improve on target ID, yet we sit around and complain because the same old !!!! just gets a new name and calls it new technology. I happen to believe VDI technology is the next frontier. Not much else left to improve on.

The ability to detect a target at 12" or more has been around for years, It's called All-Metal mode, and the ability to determine good from bad at depth has been a matter of skill and knowledge of their detector. Yes, location is #1 when it comes to success, but when you have half a dozen other detectorists hit that well known location, you need an edge. Experienced people call that edge skill.

Five years from now when we're in the middle of the VDI wars just remember who helped fuel that battle.

Didn't Garrett have a machine out that supposedly showed you a display of the target shape and size decades ago??? I want to say it was the GTI 2500... As I recall the GTI was for Graphic Target Imaging. Was Garrett actually ahead of the times back then?? Before my time but I seem to remember hearing something about that...

 

[Rattlehead]

Didn't Garrett have a machine out that supposedly showed you a display of the target shape and size decades ago??? I want to say it was the GTI 2500... As I recall the GTI was for Graphic Target Imaging. Was Garrett actually ahead of the times back then?? Before my time but I seem to remember hearing something about that...

Yep, I remember when it came out. GTi 2500. I think it was called Treasure Vision. It showed target size info, but not shape.


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[UtahRich]

Tests, Tests and More Tests -

Tests, Tests and More Tests -

I like to do my testing in the field over a period of several months. Find various targets, try changing modes and settings to see how audio and visual information responds. Make mental notes. Recover target. Doing this over and over and I begin to see trends and performance results for modes and settings in the areas I hunt.

Then I hop on here (FMDF) and see what other detectorists using my same detector are finding while they're out in the field. If they are generous with their settings info, I can compare what they're doing against what I'm doing. Maybe I try a few different things I hadn't thought about. Maybe I already know the answer to a question they have - at least an answer for my particular detector in my particular area.

It is nice to shorten the learning curve, make that connection early. I get that. Some brief air tests and prep work can help me get started and add to my learning. Get myself going in the right direction.

At some point one needs to step out of the living room and onto the beach, ghost town, old city park, mine tailings pile, etc.

This is where metal detectors come alive and are put to the test. Do we find stuff with them?

Test to your hearts delight, but don't get so lost in the testing that you forget to go hunting.

p.s. Oh, and just between me and the sidewalk, my 800 lit up a number of places i have pounded for decades with the Explorer and Etrac. Better unmasking. Doesn't mean i don't love the Etrac. Just means the 800 had some skills it brought to the table.

 

[Cherry Picker]

Didn't Garrett have a machine out that supposedly showed you a display of the target shape and size decades ago??? I want to say it was the GTI 2500... As I recall the GTI was for Graphic Target Imaging. Was Garrett actually ahead of the times back then?? Before my time but I seem to remember hearing something about that...

Yes, I remember that. Garrett had the right concept, but if I remember right it wasn't that impressive. As Rattlehead suggested, it simply showed size. Perhaps they were too far ahead of the technology of the time. I do believe they were on the right track, just like Minelab, but gave up due to a lack of interest by users.

I do firmly believe that VDI is the next step in detector evolution unless someone hits on an all-new platform.

 

[UT_Dave]

Nokta Invenio

- Dave

 

[Cherry Picker]

Nokta Invenio

- Dave

I like the idea, but how well does it do on small targets? Looks to be designed for large deep treasure hunting. That price would have to drop a lot. Not many can afford to spend $8,000 to go coin shooting.