longbow62
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An example of this is cars on an auto makers test track. They paint weird color schemes on them or even hang fabric coverings on them to hide what they actually look like.
An example of this is cars on an auto makers test track. They paint weird color schemes on them or even hang fabric coverings on them to hide what they actually look like.
Again I say, have you ever heard a bad review from a tester who got a free detector to test? Yeah!
I'm going specifically on what Greybeard had posted. His statement alone is called censorship. I get the whole NDA thing. BUT , if you say write up a review and tell ML , "Hey this is what I want to release and say" , ML then looks at it and says "no , you can't say or release that"....Well....there might be some negatives in your write up that they don't want out there. That is censorship. Flat out. I want to see , read the pro's and cons. Make my own educated decision. Otherwise I view ALL parties as being untrustworthy , dishonest , deceptive , sketchy , etc.
This is a wild guess but I think ML truly did have inside testers for the Nox. Maybe even a few outsiders , doesn't matter. These guys reported that the ears were susceptible to breaking rather easily ( or outside the norm). But these coils had already been massed produced and ML ignored it and pushed them through anyways. Choosing to cover under warranty as a gamble. I just don't see anyway these could have made it through normal testing and being released without the company knowing beforehand.
I'm going specifically on what Greybeard had posted. His statement alone is called censorship. I get the whole NDA thing. BUT , if you say write up a review and tell ML , "Hey this is what I want to release and say" , ML then looks at it and says "no , you can't say or release that"....Well....there might be some negatives in your write up that they don't want out there. That is censorship. Flat out. I want to see , read the pro's and cons. Make my own educated decision. Otherwise I view ALL parties as being untrustworthy , dishonest , deceptive , sketchy , etc.
This is a wild guess but I think ML truly did have inside testers for the Nox. Maybe even a few outsiders , doesn't matter. These guys reported that the ears were susceptible to breaking rather easily ( or outside the norm). But these coils had already been massed produced and ML ignored it and pushed them through anyways. Choosing to cover under warranty as a gamble. I just don't see anyway these could have made it through normal testing and being released without the company knowing beforehand.
Could be...I know if I had a company with testers , I wouldn't have them say anything BEFORE a general release to the public. But these guys are pumping out videos , before it's out. This I don't understand. And you certainly don't see them talking any trash on the product. If they did, they probably wouldn't be called upon to do anymore testing. This whole process is lame to me. It seems it's all about the hype and BS marketing. Appears that the only one's who may find out about the negatives , before purchase , are us , the consumer. Maybe I'm missing something and this is the future , idk. I just hope the end product is quality that can be fixed with an update at worst and everyone is happy.I think there's some confusion here with you and greybeard possibly talking about 2 different things.
If Minelab is giving a completed (or 99.999% completed) product to a tester who will provide a public review of the product, but tells that tester, "you can't say anything bad about our product," then I agree, that's not good.
But if during the course of developing a product, the Minelab wants to control what the tester says publicly about the unfinished product, I see nothing wrong with Minelab (or any other company) doing that.
Cheap ? Hardly. I did a short 2 hour hunt today on 2 beaches and got 13 cents. Using a lightweight PI. It's not just me. Others from LA to San Diego aren't faring much better. You think that Deus is gonna do better ? No way. Granted , conditions aren't great. But there are many things to consider when purchasing a new detector as far as being a beachhunter in So.Cal. One is lack of targets not just from conditions but also people haven't been going to the beach consistently over the last 2 years. Add in people using less coins , wearing junk jewelry over gold , and more competition , it's not good. If the targets aren't there , their not there. No detector is going to pull them out. Much less a $1600 machine. Quite a few things to ponder.....Deus 2 too cheap imo.
For what it does on beach.
Just my opinion.
Let’s see how many beach hunters are on the Deus 2 train a year from now.
I figure loads and loads.
Who would want to use a PI heavy detector and dig those fish hooks and junk. Say where there is no black sand.
Think I would use a Deus 2.
Cheap ? Hardly. I did a short 2 hour hunt today on 2 beaches and got 13 cents. Using a lightweight PI. It's not just me. Others from LA to San Diego aren't faring much better. You think that Deus is gonna do better ? No way. Granted , conditions aren't great. But there are many things to consider when purchasing a new detector as far as being a beachhunter in So.Cal. One is lack of targets not just from conditions but also people haven't been going to the beach consistently over the last 2 years. Add in people using less coins , wearing junk jewelry over gold , and more competition , it's not good. If the targets aren't there , their not there. No detector is going to pull them out. Much less a $1600 machine. Quite a few things to ponder.....
Cheap ? Hardly. I did a short 2 hour hunt today on 2 beaches and got 13 cents. Using a lightweight PI. It's not just me. Others from LA to San Diego aren't faring much better. You think that Deus is gonna do better ? No way. Granted , conditions aren't great. But there are many things to consider when purchasing a new detector as far as being a beachhunter in So.Cal. One is lack of targets not just from conditions but also people haven't been going to the beach consistently over the last 2 years. Add in people using less coins , wearing junk jewelry over gold , and more competition , it's not good. If the targets aren't there , their not there. No detector is going to pull them out. Much less a $1600 machine. Quite a few things to ponder.....
I wonder.
Which is deeper on silver ring, silver dime, and a copper penny On typical salt water beach?
Deus 2 using beach or and or dive program or a pi detector, all wearing 11” coils?
Something to think about.
Again I say, have you ever heard a bad review from a tester who got a free detector to test? Yeah!
That is a question idk unless I had 1 to try out. Or a unedited video showing exactly that. What I do know....is that I don't trust a video with a tape measure on the ground and some guy swinging a coil over a target that is allegedly buried at some mystery depth and getting all geeked up over it. It looks like a decent detector on some of these videos. But looks can be deceiving. Just because it looks like a rose , doesn't mean it can't smell like .I wonder.
Which is deeper on silver ring, silver dime, and a copper penny On typical salt water beach?
Deus 2 using beach or and or dive program or a pi detector, all wearing 11” coils?
Something to think about.
These machines RETAIL for $1600. The street price is $1350. Just ask one of the dealers on this forum.
I just checked with one of the dealers on this forum on Monday about his best price on the Deus 2. He quoted me a price of $1,599.
I just checked with one of the dealers on this forum on Monday about his best price on the Deus 2. He quoted me a price of $1,599.