Pulse Induction MD

[Crumble]

The "Core Four" spend more time making personal attacks than helping people here on the forum. You can go back through this very thread and see who has spent most of it in attack mode. It is always the same members.

The attacks on my posts started when I had the audacity to say beach hunting was the easiest form of detecting on the planet, and that at $600.00, the Tesoro Sand Shark was as good or better than the Whites Dual Field. Oh my, Craig went ballistic! I got into huge arguments over pulse delay timings (calling them a “red herring” argument when it comes to the difference between 15us –vs- 20us).

They got tired of not gaining enough followers, and even more frustrated when folks started posting that they had bought the Sand Shark, found it easy to use and learn, and were finding the goods with it. Craig and his boys left the PI argument behind and started their multi-freq threads, telling folks that they would be “wasting too much time digging iron” to find gold, or not cover enough beach to find the good stuff with an 8" coil. Of course this sounds logical to a newbie, but as they say, even communism looks good on paper.

I continue to challenge blowhards and know-it-alls that preach it takes “years” to learn how to detect or read a beach, rather than simply admitting anyone can find the goods if they just put the time in on their headphones, and have a good location to hunt. I have trained 12-year-old children in less than an hour to be successful beach and dirt hunters, and that really hurts some people’s egos. Metal detecting is NOT rocket science, it's a hobby.

In the 35+ years I have been detecting and instructing, I have run into a lot of blowhards that think they are better than the next guy, or have better equipment or some secret knowledge that sets them apart. They are the first to tell you that you’re doing it all wrong, or you don’t need this or do need that. People KNOW who these folks are – it’s self evident.

I’ll continue to give my advice, the goons will continue to attack me personally, and the sun will still come up tomorrow.

And here is the other side of the story:

I bought a Sand Shark because of how much Terry preached about it being the best machine ever, and for only $600 WOW! My first beach machine... the depth on larger items was impressive compared to my Fisher F2 , but I sure wasn't digging bobby pins at 18". After testing the machine with a 2 gram gold ring, the machine was hitting it at about 4 inches... 1 gram ring about 2 inches... not impressed. The Sand Shark also went nuts at some of my beaches, that admittedly have very hot ground, but this is a PI, it should be able to handle this stuff... How could this be?! The machine that I have read 100s of good posts about (all by Terry), isn't performing how I have heard! Where are the magical 18" bobby pins?!

Sold the Sand Shark after about 6 months and bought the Infinium. The Infinium is completely stable in the hottest of ground, and the Infinium has an obvious depth increase over the Sand Shark, especially on sub 2 gram gold.

Now whenever I see Terry posting that the Sand Shark is the best PI ever, for only $600 WOW! I have first hand experience with the SS and it's competition, and know he is full of it, so I try to warn whoever he is trying to advertise to that it is a decent machine for the money, but it isn't the deepest PI out there like Terry says. Then Terry calls me a Tesoro basher... rinse, repeat.

PS. About Terry saying a 5uS difference in pulse delay makes no difference, I showed in my Infinium air test video that going from minimum pulse delay, to 3 pulse delay (roughly 10uS to 20uS) is the difference between hearing a .5 gram gold ring at 6 inches, and not hearing it at all.

 

[njal]

Hey Terry! you wanna see blowhards and big ego's?

Come to Jersey!!! We got em by the bushel full all you want!!!

 

[njal]

I still want to know who the Core Four are?

As for the OP. Did you get the Sovereign yet? It's a great machine in discriminate or in all metal/ pinpoint. I have my Sovereign since around 95 and it still works great. In all metal it will go deeper than you think once you learn it.

Hotrod I told these guys last year who the core 4 were!
Here they are again!

 

[Sandcrab]

Are you serious in your views of beach hunting??? Here I am in a hospital and am replying because I believe your 1 hour instruction to a 12 year old is unbelievable.... So are you going to let this 12 year old search the water, with breakers, in So. Cal.????? Do you actually believe beach hunting is all wet sand and ankle deep water???? Go look for the hard pack, the shell pack, the rocks, maybe a cut or some depressions... Oh and make sure it is a minus tide, only time to hunt is the minus tide... and there it will be.... coming out of the ground all shiny and new looking!!!!

So my last hunt I found many heavy targets, many sinkers, nickles, even was shell-pack and when dug the sand smelled bad... not one good find.... I moved deeper and found pennies, light things, but found old gold there. Can you tell me why???

Well I guess I am a blowhard because I beach hunt, but I sure a heck not pushing a book, a certain kind of machine, a scoop, or even instruction on detecting... I don't want a following either, never seen it used on a resume, "I am popular on the metal detecting board."

I have watched how certain people post the same thing, over and over. Like some with pictures, now they have a following, but the pics are the same posted page after page. Does posting pictures make someone a good hunter??? Maybe I should post my trip to Florida and other Eastern sites.

As for the Tesoro pulse machine, you see what I own, you see where I live. It can't stack up against any of those machines, not in So. Cal. I have seen it used here, and then seen the results.

For the OP, do yourself a favor and try to get a GT. I purchased my father an MXT pro with a couple different coils. Even on the towel line, once you dug about a scoop deep, the damp sand made it false. Most other places the MXT Pro is a very good machine. many on here swear by it.

Then I purchased a GT for him. The GT is humming right along for him, he is still learning it after I purchased it for him about 8 months ago. If it can get through most of the bad sand here, it can do well about anywhere. Most things I catch with a pulse, the GT will get it as well. The depth difference is not that big, on top of that, 90% of his digs are "good", while maybe 50% of mine are using a pulse. You are digging mostly "good" targets, with a pulse, its a dice shoot every dig...

Spend the money, even if you have to save a bit longer. My dry-suit cost me more than most of my detectors, but it gives me an edge to most water hunters. When you are hunting, you want that edge, be it machine, gear, anything...

Now back to looking at nurses and eating horrible food....

SSC

Oh yea, I am not one of the 4... Most people on here don't like me, and I don't like them either... It's easier that way....

 

[Terry Soloman]

Are you serious in your views of beach hunting???..

Yes I am SSC, and nobody but you said anything about putting a 12-year-old out in the breakers, but I do know a 5', 90-pound woman that does it all the time. I am sorry to hear you are in the hospital, and I hope you feel better soon.

 

[Terry Soloman]

And here is the other side of the story:

I bought a Sand Shark because of how much Terry preached about it being the best machine ever, and for only $600 WOW!..

What a crock. Should we go back and pull up the old posts "Crumble?"

 

[Terry Soloman]

Hey Terry! you wanna see blowhards and big ego's?

Come to Jersey!!! We got em by the bushel full all you want!!!

Thank's Al, but I'm knee-deep in 'em right here.

 

[hamiddetecting]

Much respect

The "Core Four" spend more time making personal attacks than helping people here on the forum. You can go back through this very thread and see who has spent most of it in attack mode. It is always the same members.

The attacks on my posts started when I had the audacity to say beach hunting was the easiest form of detecting on the planet, and that at $600.00, the Tesoro Sand Shark was as good or better than the Whites Dual Field. Oh my, Craig went ballistic! I got into huge arguments over pulse delay timings (calling them a “red herring” argument when it comes to the difference between 15us –vs- 20us).

They got tired of not gaining enough followers, and even more frustrated when folks started posting that they had bought the Sand Shark, found it easy to use and learn, and were finding the goods with it. Craig and his boys left the PI argument behind and started their multi-freq threads, telling folks that they would be “wasting too much time digging iron” to find gold, or not cover enough beach to find the good stuff with an 8" coil. Of course this sounds logical to a newbie, but as they say, even communism looks good on paper.

I continue to challenge blowhards and know-it-alls that preach it takes “years” to learn how to detect or read a beach, rather than simply admitting anyone can find the goods if they just put the time in on their headphones, and have a good location to hunt. I have trained 12-year-old children in less than an hour to be successful beach and dirt hunters, and that really hurts some people’s egos. Metal detecting is NOT rocket science, it's a hobby.

In the 35+ years I have been detecting and instructing, I have run into a lot of blowhards that think they are better than the next guy, or have better equipment or some secret knowledge that sets them apart. They are the first to tell you that you’re doing it all wrong, or you don’t need this or do need that. People KNOW who these folks are – it’s self evident.

I’ll continue to give my advice, the goons will continue to attack me personally, and the sun will still come up tomorrow.

Much respect my friend
I'm always reading your advice, keep posting your replies

 

[Terry Soloman]

Much respect my friend
I'm always reading your advice, keep posting your replies

Thank you Hamid! You are one of the hunters I want to be like when I grow up!

 

[hamiddetecting]

Here I am in a hospital

Sorry to hear that, hope you feel better soon.

 

[SeabeeRon]

This is good advice. Take it and run with it!

Did anyone mention he would be digging trash? I just want to make sure he understands he will be digging trash. Because if no one said he will be digging trash, I'll just tell him right here and now he will be digging trash. Hey, HEY; Ryansclzo, just in case no one mentioned it, with a PI, you will be digging trash... Lots and lots of trash. There; I warned him he will be digging trash .

Hey DnD, haven't seen you in nearly a month. Good to see you posting!

Trash?? What trash??!? We have trash on our beaches??!
If I can get my old butt out of bed early enough I may try the PI Surf Pro on some of that trash with the morning low tides we have coming!

 

[itsaring!]

And here is the other side of the story:

I bought a Sand Shark because of how much Terry preached about it being the best machine ever, and for only $600 WOW! My first beach machine... the depth on larger items was impressive compared to my Fisher F2 , but I sure wasn't digging bobby pins at 18". After testing the machine with a 2 gram gold ring, the machine was hitting it at about 4 inches... 1 gram ring about 2 inches... not impressed. The Sand Shark also went nuts at some of my beaches, that admittedly have very hot ground, but this is a PI, it should be able to handle this stuff... How could this be?! The machine that I have read 100s of good posts about (all by Terry), isn't performing how I have heard! Where are the magical 18" bobby pins?!

Sold the Sand Shark after about 6 months and bought the Infinium. The Infinium is completely stable in the hottest of ground, and the Infinium has an obvious depth increase over the Sand Shark, especially on sub 2 gram gold.

Now whenever I see Terry posting that the Sand Shark is the best PI ever, for only $600 WOW! I have first hand experience with the SS and it's competition, and know he is full of it, so I try to warn whoever he is trying to advertise to that it is a decent machine for the money, but it isn't the deepest PI out there like Terry says. Then Terry calls me a Tesoro basher... rinse, repeat.

PS. About Terry saying a 5uS difference in pulse delay makes no difference, I showed in my Infinium air test video that going from minimum pulse delay, to 3 pulse delay (roughly 10uS to 20uS) is the difference between hearing a .5 gram gold ring at 6 inches, and not hearing it at all.

I know one of the last people he posted hunting the beach with ran out the following week and bought a CTX3030. I know tnet has more than a core4 who took the wind out of someones sails Let that guy pat himself on the back. He's the biggest blowhard on every forum i visit. I just hope next time he poses with a minelab guy he keeps both hands where we can see them

 

[ScubaDetective]

I just TRIED to follow this topic. WOW, all I see is a major train wreck!!

 

[Ra1der5]

Trash?? What trash??!? We have trash on our beaches??!

SBR I think the reason you're not seeing the trash is because I BEAT YOU TO IT!

 

[Cfmct]

I just TRIED to follow this topic. WOW, all I see is a major train wreck!!

Don't worry... no one has to go to the hospital

 

[CanSlaw]

The "Core Four" spend more time making personal attacks than helping people here on the forum. You can go back through this very thread and see who has spent most of it in attack mode. It is always the same members.

The attacks on my posts started when I had the audacity to say beach hunting was the easiest form of detecting on the planet, and that at $600.00, the Tesoro Sand Shark was as good or better than the Whites Dual Field. Oh my, Craig went ballistic! I got into huge arguments over pulse delay timings (calling them a “red herring” argument when it comes to the difference between 15us –vs- 20us).

They got tired of not gaining enough followers, and even more frustrated when folks started posting that they had bought the Sand Shark, found it easy to use and learn, and were finding the goods with it. Craig and his boys left the PI argument behind and started their multi-freq threads, telling folks that they would be “wasting too much time digging iron” to find gold, or not cover enough beach to find the good stuff with an 8" coil. Of course this sounds logical to a newbie, but as they say, even communism looks good on paper.

I continue to challenge blowhards and know-it-alls that preach it takes “years” to learn how to detect or read a beach, rather than simply admitting anyone can find the goods if they just put the time in on their headphones, and have a good location to hunt. I have trained 12-year-old children in less than an hour to be successful beach and dirt hunters, and that really hurts some people’s egos. Metal detecting is NOT rocket science, it's a hobby.

In the 35+ years I have been detecting and instructing, I have run into a lot of blowhards that think they are better than the next guy, or have better equipment or some secret knowledge that sets them apart. They are the first to tell you that you’re doing it all wrong, or you don’t need this or do need that. People KNOW who these folks are – it’s self evident.

I’ll continue to give my advice, the goons will continue to attack me personally, and the sun will still come up tomorrow.

I don't think I am better than anybody, don't post to be, and NEVER recommend one detector over and over again. I am not brand loyal, look at the detectors I own, one of ever major detector manufacture except Tesoro and now I will give MY experience of why.

I started wet sand hunting with a Fisher CZ6a, but wanted to get in the water like the big boys back then. My first water detector was a Tesoro Piranha,(because it was cheap!) the predecessor to the Sand Shark. That machine, in my opinion was an 8 inch deep toy that LOVED iron. At fist I thought, this is fun??? Until an old hunter had me try his CZ 20. It was at that point I found out what water hunting was really like. I would NEVER suggest to a new hunter, like I was, to start with a PI.

I do own a PI today, but the one I own I would not recommend to a new hunter or ANY PI for that matter.

You talk about agendas. Who is it that at has a commercial web site promoting a detecting school sponsored by a detector manufacture? Who is it that can only speak of ONE model detector no matter where it is going to be used? Who is it that sells T shirts on their commercial web site. You talk of 35 years of experience....how much of it is in the water, about 2 seasons? Who is here to profit by what they post over and over again?

Some are here to gain financially and for no other reason. Others TRULY enjoy the hobby without trying to make a buck off of it (outside of our finds) and we don't need a following and really don't care to have one. Been there, done that once too.

I am sure you will be following up with your Sand Shark book as soon as you can find someone to front the publish fess. Let me guess your "lunch" buddies at Tesoro.

 

[Sandcrab]

Thank you for the kind words Terry and Hamid.... Will never agree with you Terry. Land hunting you never have a moving target, water hunting one missed scoop and you never find it again.

Don't worry... no one has to go to the hospital

I would rather be in the hospital than dig in the dirt.....

SSC

 

[Cfmct]

Thank you for the kind words Terry and Hamid.... Will never agree with you Terry. Land hunting you never have a moving target, water hunting one missed scoop and you never find it again.




I would rather be in the hospital than dig in the dirt.....

SSC

Me to except for the hospital part .. I sold my T2 because the dirt just isn't my cup of tea anymore... I have the urge to hunt dirt maybe once or twice a year but its usually on my customers 17 and 1800's properties... one property was an old post office...the house dates back into the 1700's and have found some great stuff there..

 

[Terry Soloman]

Relax Can, you are gonna blow an artery!

I don't think I am better than anybody, don't post to be, and NEVER recommend one detector over and over again. I am not brand loyal, look at the detectors I own, one of ever major detector manufacture except Tesoro and now I will give MY experience of why.

I started wet sand hunting with a Fisher CZ6a, but wanted to get in the water like the big boys back then. My first water detector was a Tesoro Piranha,(because it was cheap!) the predecessor to the Sand Shark. That machine, in my opinion was an 8 inch deep toy that LOVED iron. At fist I thought, this is fun??? Until an old hunter had me try his CZ 20. It was at that point I found out what water hunting was really like. I would NEVER suggest to a new hunter, like I was, to start with a PI.

I do own a PI today, but the one I own I would not recommend to a new hunter or ANY PI for that matter.

You talk about agendas. Who is it that at has a commercial web site promoting a detecting school sponsored by a detector manufacture? Who is it that can only speak of ONE model detector no matter where it is going to be used? Who is it that sells T shirts on their commercial web site. You talk of 35 years of experience....how much of it is in the water, about 2 seasons? Who is here to profit by what they post over and over again?

Some are here to gain financially and for no other reason. Others TRULY enjoy the hobby without trying to make a buck off of it (outside of our finds) and we don't need a following and really don't care to have one. Been there, done that once too.

I am sure you will be following up with your Sand Shark book as soon as you can find someone to front the publish fess. Let me guess your "lunch" buddies at Tesoro.

Haters hate baby! What are you so mad about? Does it really hurt your feelings that I am a professional? I have personal friends at both Tesoro and Minelab, so what?

Did you notice who my Metal Detecting Equipment Sponsor is Can? It is Hollandsbrook.com - Not Tesoro. We use Minelab and Tesoro metal detectors at our school - Because they are the best detectors for gold prospecting in Arizona, and have the BEST warranties in the business. We own dozens of Minelab and Tesoro machines. I do NOT sell equipment - never have. I have used all the brands - and most of their models, so that I can teach them and be familiar with them.

I have attended the Minelab and Tesoro training facilities, as well as taken training classes with several Garrett, Whites, and Fisher models. I have personally taught hundreds of folks how to use metal detectors. Oh, and two-hours - let alone two-years, is more than enough time to learn beach detecting. It is EASY buddy. Literally a day at the beach compared to nuggetshooting or dirt detecting. That is why there are so many old fat guys on the beach swinging Excals!

Just because YOU would not recommend a Pulse Induction machine to a new saltwater hunter doesn’t mean it is wrong, just means we have different opinions. A Tesoro Sand Shark is a lot easier to use than a Minelab Excaliber, or Sovereign for a new hunter– and DEEPER. We have different philosophies. I’m cool with that. You should probably check your blood pressure Can. Wouldn’t want to lose one of the Core Four!

 

[Cfmct]

Haters hate baby! What are you so mad about? Does it really hurt your feelings that I am a professional? I have personal friends at both Tesoro and Minelab, so what?

Did you notice who my Metal Detecting Equipment Sponsor is Can? It is Hollandsbrook.com - Not Tesoro. We use Minelab and Tesoro metal detectors at our school - Because they are the best detectors for gold prospecting in Arizona, and have the BEST warranties in the business. We own dozens of Minelab and Tesoro machines. I do NOT sell equipment - never have. I have used all the brands - and most of their models, so that I can teach them and be familiar with them.

I have attended the Minelab and Tesoro training facilities, as well as taken training classes with several Garrett, Whites, and Fisher models. I have personally taught hundreds of folks how to use metal detectors. Oh, and two-hours - let alone two-years, is more than enough time to learn beach detecting. It is EASY buddy. Literally a day at the beach compared to nuggetshooting or dirt detecting. That is why there are so many old fat guys on the beach swinging Excals!

Just because YOU would not recommend a Pulse Induction machine to a new saltwater hunter doesn’t mean it is wrong, just means we have different opinions. A Tesoro Sand Shark is a lot easier to use than a Minelab Excaliber, or Sovereign for a new hunter– and DEEPER. We have different philosophies. I’m cool with that. You should probably check your blood pressure Can. Wouldn’t want to lose one of the Core Four!

Terry... depth is irrelevant if you are on a beach with an high amount of ferrous targets... you said you will follow behind a guy hunting with a VLF and find the gold they can't see? I say to you if you are using a PI on an iron infested beach and I was behind you, I would tell you to move aside because I'm not going to wait hours while you are stuck digging all that iron... I'll be out front finding the gold while you are wasting time with the bobbie pins