The FBI Files: Dents Run Civil War Gold

[Tom_in_CA]

... Don't get me wrong, I do believe he started out some 30+ years ago truly believing he may have found the location of some buried treasure ........

Well, ok, we can compromise there ^ ^ then.

Now how anyone can keep a straight face, stick-to-their-story, in-lieu of controverting damning evidence ? That's JUST HOW swoon people can be. Yes, hard to believe.


But : Consider the otherwise normal people who believe in dowsing for instance. DESPITE DAMNING EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY ! They will just "grasp for straws" all day long. I don't think they're stupid or mentally ill. It's just that 99% of our decisions come from our hearts (emotions), not our heads (intellect).

Could I be wrong in Parada's case ? Yes. So I guess we'll just compromise that he started off (way-back-when) as a believer in these multiple fabulous-treasure stories.

 

[NewAge]

"No Show - No dig"......is 100% accurate.

This is why they can't get anywhere with private landowners.
They tell a person they have treasure on their property and they want it dug up.....not to let it sit there until some type of tv show deal is struck.

This is why they stated they needed a film crew to help with private landowners..

This is also why their finds are on state property......they can walk around on state property with their dowsing rods for as long as they like making up stories and trying to get a TV show.

Notice none of their recent posts ever mentioned PA DEP........who would be the permitting agency on private property.....PA DCNR has no control of private owned property.

It is highly doubtful any permits would be needed to dig on private property unless it was a sizable excavation.........just say you are putting in fence posts until you find the history changing item then worry about the pemits.

 

[GoDeep]

Now how anyone can keep a straight face, stick-to-their-story, in-lieu of controverting damning evidence ? That's JUST HOW swoon people can be. Yes, hard to believe.

Respectfully, have you not been paying attention to the evidence? He hasn't "stuck to his story" at all:

1. He used to say it was the PA DCNR who stole the gold(even filed a report with the police), then it was the FBI, then it was "it may still be up there" and the most damning admission of all, "I'd still work with the FBI again".

2. He used to say it was 52 bars of gold, now its 9 tons of gold and several tons of silver!

3. He used to say it was Northern Union Payroll Gold and now it's a complete 360 degree switch to Southern KGC gold for the south to rise up again!

4. He went from saying he had night photos of the FBI digging to the cameras were jammed at night!

5. He went from saying he was completely barred from observing the dig to spending hours up there watching!

6. He used to claim it was in a cave, but just recently he said it was in a coal mine!

7. He's lied so much, i can't even recap it anymore, its probably approaching a 100 documented lies now about every aspect of the case and now that he's switching over to the other site(s), we are already catching him in lies about those too!

 

[GoDeep]

Now how anyone can keep a straight face, stick-to-their-story, in-lieu of controverting damning evidence ? That's JUST HOW swoon people can be. Yes, hard to believe.

But : Consider the otherwise normal people who believe in dowsing for instance. DESPITE DAMNING EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY ! They will just "grasp for straws" all day long.

I think you yourself demonstrate this "swoon" you speak of. You so "sincerely believe" in this narrative of Plaintiff, you yourself, "despite damning evidence to the contrary" continue to "grasp at straws" and this statement you made about Plaintiff is just as well a projection of your own behavior, "He starts with a philosophical presupposition, then all-of-reality (the evidence, etc....) is shaped and filtered through the lens of their philosophical presupposition"

Tom, to be clear, I fully agree that people can sincerely believe and be caught up in the "swoon" of gold, happens all the time, but the evidence time and again shows Plaintiff isn't one of them.

The only "swoon" Plaintiff is caught up in at this point is his ego, fame and a TV Show!

 

[Tom_in_CA]

........ He hasn't "stuck to his story" at all: .........

Yes, and to extend the example of dowsing proponents : When they are shown evidence that their magic wands are no better than random eventual hunch guessing : They will likewise not "stick to their stories". Yet never fail to believe in dowsing. If you've ever watched the video clips of the testings done (Amazing Randi, for example). Here's what I mean :


Before the double blind tests are even done, the dowsing advocates are asked how certain they are that the test parameters are fair, agreed-to ahead of time, mutual, double-blind, etc.... Then they're asked "how certain are you that you'll pass the test ?" And "Are there any other extenuating factors that could inhibit this ?", and so forth.


Lo & behold, when they fail the testing, they are THEN asked in post-interviews: "Are you dissuaded ?" and "Do you now doubt the abilities of dowsing?". Yet despite the black & white evidence (that EVEN THEY agreed-to-parameters ahead of time), yet : They will be steadfast in their belief. In other words : THE FACTS MADE ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT ON THEIR BELIEF.


And they will just write the test off to somehow "rigged". Or just a "one-off day" (yet it works every other day). And fall back on their anecdotal testimonies. In other words : Facts never mattered. And : At no time are they anything less than sincere. DESPITE NOT "STICKING TO THEIR STORY" when explaining the test failures.


This ^ ^ is just how deluded & swoon people can be. And they will deny that they contradicted earlier statements. Because they will have some far fetched way in which their earlier statement was before the factor of such & such was taken into consideration.


Because remember : Parada has "ruled out" the hypothesis of "no fabulous treasure" BEFORE HE'S EVEN LOOKED AT THE PRO/CON evidence. It was never a matter of "evidence" or "proof" to begin with. Instead , to his mind's eye, a "fabulous treasure" is simply the default "given". And any new material that comes down the pike is interpreted through that lens. Here's a meme I made about this.


Could I be wrong ? Yes. But we both agree that, at least way back when (30 yrs. ago), that , at least then, he was swoon by all these silly legends.

 

[GoDeep]

We definitely agree about dowsing and dowsers in general and many are truly sincere in their belief it works.

However, if damning evidence emerged that a dowser, started fabricating evidence (say, during a "test" of his abilities) by coming out a day before the test and burying gold where he could then "find it" to prove his abilities or if when questioned about what he had found dowsing he lied and showed you forged pictures of pots of gold he claimed to have found, he would lose all credibility and labeled a fraud and a con artist.

This is exactly the case of Plaintiff. He has become a con artist. His dishonesty has become so overwhelming, so frequent, there is nothing sincere about his endeavors anymore. What he truly believes is a point in futility and irrelevant anymore as he is fully committed to falsifying a narrative to obtain his stated goal of a TV show.

 

[SS_Wonder]

I don't know if I agree that he believes he never found gold (or at least spots where he thought gold may be).

What's telling is his most recent pivot to the Round Island Falls site and we are seeing the exact same MO as Dents Run and are already catching him making up lies about it, attacking experts and deleting posts. Thats not someone who's sincere about this endeavor and he's definitely not in search of the actual truth.

Your post seems to contradict itself.

parada lies about finding gold then lies about everything that follows.

That’s the long term, continuing pattern he displays.

 

[GoDeep]

Your post seems to contradict itself.

parada lies about finding gold then lies about everything that follows.

That’s the long term, continuing pattern he displays.

I'm not sure I understand? How does allowing that Plaintiff may have at one time believed treasure was buried there make a contradiction? I have little doubt that when he first discovered the site some 30 years ago he may have believed something was buried there.

 

[Connecticut Danny]

I am wondering when this story will run its course. My former name on the other website was Honest Sam when Tom was there too. We had each other email addresses, and friends. Let us start from the beginning. Many researchers who I trust stated the story is untrue. End of story. Let us not forget all who were on site including FBI agents, and others working the machines. The biggest story of their lives. There is no way that they would keep their mouths shut and would not tell their friends and family members about the gold. I am honest most of the time, but given the chance to share some of the gold coins, I had would my two hands out for a share like all others including FBI agents. If coins were recovered, and no coins were stolen. Where are they? This story would be a nightmare because the state owns the land, any treasure belongs to the federal government, where congress will waste it all. Dennis is a storyteller and not a true treasure hunter. Shame on him and staff. It is time for Tom and his friends to take over for many years to come. Wake me up when this story is truly over. Back to Tom and friends.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

........ Honest Sam when Tom was there too. .....

Hi Sam !

Yes, if a bunch of G-men found gold coins, then yes : Human nature would have taken over. No one is going to be able to "keep a secret" like that. It's human nature to do an end-zone dance. I mean, YOU WILL AT LEAST go home and tell your wife. And she in turn will tell her sister. Who will in turn tell their husband. Who in turn tells his golf buddy. And .... well, you get the picture.

 

[SeabeeRon]

Was it gold coins or gold bars or some other “treasure” the big bad Guberment took?!?

 

[TheFrood]

Was it gold coins or gold bars or some other “treasure” the big bad Guberment took?!?

Whatever it was there was, allegedly, 9 TONS of it... That's a claim of literally 9 tons, not "TONS" as in "I found a TON
of can-slaw out detecting..."

Just as an aside, if these were all $20 Gold Double Eagles that would be roughly 295,317 $20 gold coins (which
google says was the most common gold coin at the time).

 

[ucnegold?]

Whatever it was there was, allegedly, 9 TONS of it...

It always struck me as ironic how the Plaintiff's embrace these subjective, “motherlode” numbers for size and weight of the alleged anomaly as theorized in the survey report but totally reject the depth and location at which the survey placed the alleged anomaly.

You simply cannot have it both ways. If embracing any part of the technology (believing in 7 to 9 Tons of gold), they must accept the survey report as a whole and not parse it to fit their narrative. The alleged anomaly was reported to be located between only 6” and 5’-6” in depth. Prior to release of the FOIA files, the Plaintiff’s cheered the survey results and touted how “damn accurate” the gravimeter was. But this was all prior to receiving the actual survey report. Their tone suddenly changed when realizing the actual survey results placed the target so shallow. The alleged target was so shallow, it was likely determined within the first couple hours of excavation that the results were negative for gold, silver, or anything for that matter.

The process of modeling, or estimating the physical size, weight and location of the anomaly is very subjective and relies heavily upon the user inputting valid and geologically correct data. It is highly dependent on iterative, user-controlled input and is manipulated by the user who will “play around” and find a "best fit" for the observed gravity curve. It is by no means exacting and the modeling software is really only used to get an idea of how something could fit the observed field data. This is explained to users in instructional videos teaching use of the Grav2DC software which, according to the report, was used to model the reported anomaly.

If there were ever any trial argument for the gravimeter survey report to be admissible as evidence in proving “gold” was present at the site, would you be for or against a jury learning this information if you were the Plaintiffs?

 

[SeabeeRon]

Whatever it was there was, allegedly, 9 TONS of it... That's a claim of literally 9 tons, not "TONS" as in "I found a TON
of can-slaw out detecting..."

Just as an aside, if these were all $20 Gold Double Eagles that would be roughly 295,317 $20 gold coins (which
google says was the most common gold coin at the time).

I am pretty sure this site was a wagon load of gold bars. I don’t believe a word of it!

 

[ucnegold?]

For your listening enjoyment, or not:

Pennsylvania Life, Legends, and Lore: Dents Run Gold Part 4 - An interview with Finders Keepers on Apple Podcasts

Show Pennsylvania Life, Legends, and Lore, Ep Dents Run Gold Part 4 - An interview with Finders Keepers - Jul 14, 2024

podcasts.apple.com

 

[SS_Wonder]

Why listen to the liar? Any counted clicks he will view as folks who beleive him.

 

[SS_Wonder]

I'm not sure I understand? How does allowing that Plaintiff may have at one time believed treasure was buried there make a contradiction? I have little doubt that when he first discovered the site some 30 years ago he may have believed something was buried there.

parada never believed there was gold there. That’s why he drove rods into the ground before the graviometer (spelling?) scans.

 

[ucnegold?]

That’s why he drove rods into the ground before the graviometer

I don't subscribe to that theory SS. The Plaintiffs had no idea there would ever be such an instrument used at that site.

Drove rods until they finally got two resistivity probes to signal in a desired range maybe but definitely not to try and fool a gravimeter. It is likely those rods could have had some negative effect on the gravimeter data but you are giving them way too much credit.

GoDeep is spot on in that the Plaintiffs bit hard, hook, line and sinker on the Psychics premonitions. They will still say they believe in the Psychic and said as much in that podcast released today. No doubt in the beginning they believed gold was there.

 

[SS_Wonder]

I don't subscribe to that theory SS. The Plaintiffs had no idea there would ever be such an instrument used at that site.

Drove rods until they finally got two resistivity probes to signal in a desired range maybe but definitely not to try and fool a gravimeter. It is likely those rods could have had some negative effect on the gravimeter data but you are giving them way too much credit.

GoDeep is spot on in that the Plaintiffs bit hard, hook, line and sinker on the Psychics premonitions. They will still say they believe in the Psychic and said as much in that podcast released today. No doubt in the beginning they believed gold was there.

We’ll agree to disagree.

parada has lied many times about finding different treasures. Once the cable tv shows never came through the “found” treasures were discarded.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

We’ll agree to disagree.

parada has lied many times about finding different treasures. .......

While you and I can spot contradictions, and while you and I might define those as "lying", yet to the sincerely deluded, they will have some way/shape/form where it can be construed as working. Not lying and not contradicting. Some way in which it's not "lying".


Yes I realize that you and I are scratching our heads and saying "how can this be anything but a bold faced fully-aware irreconcilable contradiction ?" But to the person with the philosophical presupposition : They can find some way/shape/form where it can *still* make sense.

At the risk of repeating myself , here's an example I made to show the phenomenon. The patient in my video was very sincere and not lying. He just can't see the truth, because he has an a priori philosophical presupposition. And all new incoming data will be filtered through the presupposition, no matter what.