Racer vs AT Pro

STP I appreciate you bringing your problem to light. It is the squeaky wheel that gets oiled. And I can understand your frustration of seeing others get their coils replaced no questions asked and others needing to supply proof. I hope Makro sees these threads and realize that they have to be consistent in their responses to customers especially in this age of the internet and all the different forums to post info on. To not do so is just asking for problems.
I am also glad to have this info BEFORE it becomes an issue for me. I am currently making a template of the ears and will epoxy an additional piece 1/16 of an inch thick to the outside of each ear to prevent this problem from creeping up in the future.
 
Not directed at you at all. As a matter a fact, maybe you can answer this question for me (us). As far as your old coil, what are Makro's disposition instructions to you???

I'm asking because I've read in a few places where some have not sent their old (defective) coils back to Makro (them).

If this is the case, maybe this explains why, (and I can understand) they want a pic/vid of defective item.

Makros stance to me was they believe my coil is perfectly normal. my coil wasnt replaced. They tried to make me send a video/pic through some app i have never heard of and to a telephone number i assume is over in turkey. I told them i didnt want to mess with that but did include photos directly back to them. I dont know what the purpose of using some app does besides making it more difficult for the owner. What is the difference between sending a pic through an app or directly through email? They did get my photos because after a week of no response it was recommended by someone else that they may not have got them. I sent another email that day and had a quick reply stating the above. I am still wondering why my experience was so much different but it is what it is. Like I have stated many times, I really like the racer itself and have always stated good things about it in my posts and I will continue to do so. If someone asks about the customer service, that is a different story. I hate to feel the way I do as I do feel I always try to focus on the positive as we all know nothing and no one is perfect. I guess I could have been dishonest and went out to the garage and snapped the ear off completely and it probably would have been covered but I am not that kind of person. I thought I had a legitimate issue especially with them knowing they have a coil problem.
I guess I just expected things to be completely different than how it went. I have owned many machines myself and this is the first time I felt a company treated me poorly.
Am I wrong, maybe so, but its how I feel. I know one thing for sure, garrett would have taken care of it no problem. I have even called them wanting to buy extra battery holders and they had no part of it. Sent free in the mail. I have also had to deal with minelab on a ctx I had that the screen had what looked like a rainbow in it. I thought it was going to be terrible from the stories I had read about their service. Had a whole new machine sent to me within a week after receiving a prepaid shipping label from then to send mine to them at no cost to me.
 
From the videos I have seen it looks like the Makro goes very deep?
Any thoughts?
I seriously wish to buy one in the future!
However I will never sell my ATP:yes:
 
STP I appreciate you bringing your problem to light. It is the squeaky wheel that gets oiled. And I can understand your frustration of seeing others get their coils replaced no questions asked and others needing to supply proof. I hope Makro sees these threads and realize that they have to be consistent in their responses to customers especially in this age of the internet and all the different forums to post info on. To not do so is just asking for problems.
I am also glad to have this info BEFORE it becomes an issue for me. I am currently making a template of the ears and will epoxy an additional piece 1/16 of an inch thick to the outside of each ear to prevent this problem from creeping up in the future.

Thanks choppa, I really hated posting about it but I would be lying if I didnt say it frustrates me to watch others get a new coil and a bunch of extras thrown in all without having to send their coil back. All I wanted was an exchange on my coil so I could have some peace of mind. I ended up putting a plastic filler in it which we use on bumpers of cars at the shop and As I was told by others on findmall, probably ruining any chance of it being warrantied when it does break all the way off(which I am sure it will do) but I dont care anymore.
 
Tnss, If you look on dankowskis, Keith who was a tester of the racer and is now on his 3rd coil even stated the ears need to be done different. He got his racer for free. I have to pay for all my stuff so that also didnt help with how I feel about the whole experience.

I am not perfect by any means, just ask musicnut. I sold him my gg ndt headphones and I never checked the spare cord. He got it, and sent me a pm stating it didnt work(was a new cord never used) and was very disappointed(which I understand and would be also). I promptly ordered him a new cord which cost me $20 and then shipped it priority. I made a big booboo by not checking it but I also have a positive itrader rating from him for doing so.

I am ready to let this die. I have given makro enough grief and there are plenty of people who have received great service. They make a great machine and I would still recommend it to anyone who hunts heavy iron as its really good in it with the 5" installed.
 
Makros stance to me was they believe my coil is perfectly normal. my coil wasnt replaced. They tried to make me send a video/pic through some app i have never heard of and to a telephone number i assume is over in turkey. I told them i didnt want to mess with that but did include photos directly back to them. I dont know what the purpose of using some app does besides making it more difficult for the owner. What is the difference between sending a pic through an app or directly through email? They did get my photos because after a week of no response it was recommended by someone else that they may not have got them. I sent another email that day and had a quick reply stating the above. I am still wondering why my experience was so much different but it is what it is. Like I have stated many times, I really like the racer itself and have always stated good things about it in my posts and I will continue to do so. If someone asks about the customer service, that is a different story. I hate to feel the way I do as I do feel I always try to focus on the positive as we all know nothing and no one is perfect. I guess I could have been dishonest and went out to the garage and snapped the ear off completely and it probably would have been covered but I am not that kind of person. I thought I had a legitimate issue especially with them knowing they have a coil problem.
I guess I just expected things to be completely different than how it went. I have owned many machines myself and this is the first time I felt a company treated me poorly.
Am I wrong, maybe so, but its how I feel. I know one thing for sure, garrett would have taken care of it no problem. I have even called them wanting to buy extra battery holders and they had no part of it. Sent free in the mail. I have also had to deal with minelab on a ctx I had that the screen had what looked like a rainbow in it. I thought it was going to be terrible from the stories I had read about their service. Had a whole new machine sent to me within a week after receiving a prepaid shipping label from then to send mine to them at no cost to me.

Dale,
First and foremost, I consider you a worthy individual. I promise you I wouldn't have sent you the backpack, if I would have thought otherwise. I follow your post, and many others as well.

Now some on this forum have questioned Makro's wanting/needing a pic/video of defective part. This is a new practice for a detector manufacturer. But I think now it's understandable since it appears the old parts it seems are not sent back to manufacturer. I guess what I'm saying, which is more trouble for a customer---a pic sent to them or sending the old part back. For me personally sending the old part back would be more trouble. The reason is I live in the rural, so I would have to drive to a place to ship or wait for the shipper to come to my home to pick up. I also think this process overall is probably cheaper for the Makro folks.

I see it seems most folks have been satisfied with their service. You apparently are not. I guess I could ask, have you talked with your dealer???
You still have roughly 18 months plus warranty on your detector. I'd just keep using it. When she goes, let the Makro folks know and see what happens.

As far as folks talking about their problems on the internet/metal detecting forums.

Some folks follow the metal detecting forums very closely, some don't. There are several metal detecting forums and other places a person could post their, "what they think is sub par service", and in fact use a different forum name or identifier. And doing so is not "playing games" or anything. But for instance if someone google (ed) a certain detector or started browsing metal forums, if they weren't real familiar they indeed could be mislead on the service a manufacturer is providing. And this with any detector.

I for one believe if a company is providing subpar service, I want to know. I own a new Honda CRV and a Toyota P/U, why??? Because I like their quality and service.

Makro and Nokta, unheard by many here in the USA until recently, I feel do make some good products. Will/Are they going to experience some problems or areas they can improve upon??? I think so.

I have read horror stories about each and every manufacturer really. With service and with originally released detectors/equipment.

I wish you the best Dale with your Racer. A fine machine-no doubt.
 
Dale,
First and foremost, I consider you a worthy individual. I promise you I wouldn't have sent you the backpack, if I would have thought otherwise. I follow your post, and many others as well.

Now some on this forum have questioned Makro's wanting/needing a pic/video of defective part. This is a new practice for a detector manufacturer. But I think now it's understandable since it appears the old parts it seems are not sent back to manufacturer. I guess what I'm saying, which is more trouble for a customer---a pic sent to them or sending the old part back. For me personally sending the old part back would be more trouble. The reason is I live in the rural, so I would have to drive to a place to ship or wait for the shipper to come to my home to pick up. I also think this process overall is probably cheaper for the Makro folks.

I see it seems most folks have been satisfied with their service. You apparently are not. I guess I could ask, have you talked with your dealer???
You still have roughly 18 months plus warranty on your detector. I'd just keep using it. When she goes, let the Makro folks know and see what happens.

As far as folks talking about their problems on the internet/metal detecting forums.

Some folks follow the metal detecting forums very closely, some don't. There are several metal detecting forums and other places a person could post their, "what they think is sub par service", and in fact use a different forum name or identifier. And doing so is not "playing games" or anything. But for instance if someone google (ed) a certain detector or started browsing metal forums, if they weren't real familiar they indeed could be mislead on the service a manufacturer is providing. And this with any detector.

I for one believe if a company is providing subpar service, I want to know. I own a new Honda CRV and a Toyota P/U, why??? Because I like their quality and service.

Makro and Nokta, unheard by many here in the USA until recently, I feel do make some good products. Will/Are they going to experience some problems or areas they can improve upon??? I think so.

I have read horror stories about each and every manufacturer really. With service and with originally released detectors/equipment.

I wish you the best Dale with your Racer. A fine machine-no doubt.

thanks and I agree a photo should be sent. Absolutely no quarrell with them wanting that and it is better than having to send in your coil. I did send the photos they asked for(of the crack and of the serial#) and they did get them. I just dont understand how they can with a straight face tell me my coil looked normal. I have never had any other coil in my life look like that and only after an hours use. I bought my racer from a guy on treasure depot when it was only a week old and do have the receipt which he sent me with it. I however would never expect a dealer to take care of a problem unless it was just after receiving a machine. I dont feel a dealer should have to lose money/time dealing with something that is not their fault. Who has the least expense in the product and makes the most money on it? The mfr. does. and when I was searching the problem the rep themself had posted an email to send the problems to that calvit which I did.
I wish you the best also!
 
Yes, the Makro goes very deep, if you use 2 tone mode 14" air test on quarter with stock coil. This means only 1 tone for coins, & really deep coins don't give a VID. To help identify very deep items before digging, raise & lower the disc to see where an item drops out. The Makro can completely reject quarters at disc 99, so you'd know it's something at least as big as a half dollar. 4.5x5 coil 11" air test quarter, 15x13.5 coil 18" quarter air test. HH, George (MN)


From the videos I have seen it looks like the Makro goes very deep?
Any thoughts?
I seriously wish to buy one in the future!
However I will never sell my ATP:yes:
 
Now that this thread has gone completely off topic...

I find that my ATP is considerably heavier then my BH Platinum....
I do like the extra features the ATP has over the BHP. I like that it is weather proof.

I, so far, haven't seen a difference in depth, on land, between the two machines. You all know there could be a LOT of reasons why I haven't noticed a difference... I am sure that will change...

I like best that BOTH my machines are made and warranted in the USA. I wish Garret would have a 5 year warranty like First Texas does on the Bounty Hunter.
 
now that this thread has gone completely off topic...

I find that my atp is considerably heavier then my bh platinum....
I do like the extra features the atp has over the bhp. I like that it is weather proof.

I, so far, haven't seen a difference in depth, on land, between the two machines. You all know there could be a lot of reasons why i haven't noticed a difference... I am sure that will change...

I like best that both my machines are made and warranted in the usa. I wish garret would have a 5 year warranty like first texas does on the bounty hunter.


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Someone needs to check the date at findmall. Not a new issue. I know someone who broke 3 controls off. But they hunt in rough surf and also travel with the detector in a truck bed:lol:
 
TSN ATpro/ Itsaring 100% correct

That thread was from August 2014, almost 1 year, maybe you should post Most recent news, on detector's, as Old news's doesn't - reflect updated issue's , were as old most likely- could have been already corrected up to date by the manufacturer ! Cfm-CT s news- was most recent :roll:. Cfm-ct s post on the issue was from July 4th . 2015 current :grin:
 
Quite the contrary Earl,

Did Garrett recall the units that had defective issues??? If not, than that would mean some of the units are still out there.

And since some do buy used AT Pros, they might want/need to know this.

Cheers
 
A screw issue is a heck of a lot easier to replace than a snapped shaft... :lol: it seems

the Racer is no different than any other detector out there TN... it has bugs just like every other detector that has been released...

Agreed!

And I also can't find anyone with either a AT Pro or a Racer that's dysfunctional and under warranty, and the manufacturer didn't take care of them.'

Both good detectors, Racer is deeper and has faster recovery, AT Pro is waterproof- pick your poison!!!!

cheers
 
Cfm-ct

You got to be kidding :laughing:, the hundred's of post's from TSN posted about the Racer being the Holly grail , for the money :jawdrop:, has to be hard to swallow :popcorn::stormy:
 
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