Lost civil war treasure / FBI recovery ?

Now I know exactly what will happen next, from FK or the "faithful" that believe this Dent's Run nonsense : They will look at these criticisms, of those rags, and merely claim that THIS TOO is all a part of the conspiracy to do a hush job on stolen gold.

In other words, they would simply dismiss the criticism and say that any source (wiki or whatever) that posted criticism of a source, is simply mistaken, duped, or a part of a grand conspiracy.

This is what is known as the logical fallacy of "unfalsifiability". Ie.: No matter WHAT evidence gives you to counter your view, if it contradicts your "prior commitment", then, by definition, it's false. So there becomes NO test of facts, and NO source of information, that can EVER contradict your view-point. Ie.: there is no way, and no data, that can ever controvert your stance.

Therefore, I am sure that if the "faithful" saw these dazzling stories challenged, because they appeared in magazines that someone said were not-reputable, they would merely say that, .... on the contrary, the magazines are VERY reputable. And that WIKI is the one who is "not reputable". Or that the BS-meter website, is the one who has fallen for BS.

In other words, there is never any outside source you can use to corroborate or dash a notion, if the listener simply dismisses the critical/skeptical data "out the starting gate". This is why, for example, it's so hard to talk someone out of a cult: Because by mere definition, you can't believe anyone or any source that's not falling-in-line with the cult's "prior commitment".
 
David, where are you coming up with these news sources ? Are they ones that FK himself trots out to the public ? Or are you searching for (googling) and finding these ? I have a suspicion that FK is soliciting (beating drums and begging for media attention), and found these spurious non-reputable outlets to spew his story.

According to wiki, this "Daily Mail" rag, is sort of on-par with something akin to the National Enquirer. Ie.: Not reputable. Here's the quote from wiki:

" ....The Daily Mail has been noted for its unreliability and widely criticised for its printing of sensationalist and inaccurate scare stories of science and ....."


As for "Ancient Origins": Same accusation, according to this website : https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ancient-origins/

Overall, we rate Ancient Origins a moderate conspiracy and pseudoscience source based on the promotion of ancient aliens. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting as they also publish credible pro-science information.

Plenty of articles on the disputed treasure , not saying any of it is true or false ,not any where near where i live anyway. Just thought it might be of some interest to some in that area. As to the Feds i imagine plenty on the forum don't trust them as well. I originally put the post up because i saw it on the evening news.
 
OMG ! How did I miss this thread when it first came out ?

Guys, this clown "finders keepers" hasn't "found" a single red cent. He has a twisted sense of the past-tense-word "found". To his way of thinking, if he chases a ghost-story-camp-fire legend, pulls out a dowsing rod, and the rod points to a certain valley, or cave, or swamp, then PRESTO : He's "found" (past tense) a treasure. Now it's merely a matter of government paperwork to drain the swamp, pinpoint the exact spot, iron-out taxes and finders fees, etc.... BUT REST ASSURED : He's FOUND (past tense) a "treasure". Right ?

And he spends years running around to all sorts of govt. offices, and seeking media attention tooting-his-horn, etc.... All the while using the past tense usage of the word "found", even though he's never seen a single cent ! But utterly convinced that it's *most certainly* in some location, *if only* he could get through govt. red tape.

So it would be like if I ran around to LEO agencies and govt. agencies, telling them I knew where murder victim bodies were buried. And FINALLY I get some agency to come out and dig where I told them. And they dig and dig and say "we haven't found any bodies". Then I can hatch a giant conspiracy , run around and seek all sorts of media publicity, about how there's a "hush job" and "conspiracy", blah blah.

And the more that the govt. insists "there was no treasure there", is ALL THE MORE PROOF of a conspiracy and coverup. Eh ?

GUYS ! FK hasn't found ANYTHING ! There IS NO TREASURE ! He's nuts ! And this has caused a few people to get banned from T'net, where , sadly, a moderator there is friends with the FK dude, and thus disallows any skepticism on the subject. Sad. And FK is a real black eye for the md'ing community.

Sorry, I had to rant !

Tom must be as happy as a kid in a candy shop! Go ahead, I like these big words! :lol: :icecream:

Josh
 
they have a lot of other things on the site as well, Legends of America

The key phrase in the link is "legends". :D
Kid of a fun site to explore

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I have actually met finderskeepers in person to go see a site not far from dents run that he was convinced was native american. This experience made me question everything he has ever posted. The thought process he uses lets his imagination run wild with no concern for the sciences. He failed to even do the basic research of the first settlers of the area. He failed to consider that some of the rock formations were geological, even though I was able to point out some key things and why there were the way they were. He Also ignored a giant stone chimney just downhill from the outcrop. The chimney was made from cut stone by the early settlers, from the same stone from the outcrop. Yet he believes the natives were the ones doing stone cutting there. which I guess is possible, but the mineralization on the rocks surface from the water running in the cracks of the rocks has the same weathering as the ones used in the chimney. SO many wild speculations from an sacrificial alter to stacked stone graves. Then he ended with a statement on his justification for using things like LRL and dowsing rods. "I don't know how a microwave or air conditioner work, but I still use them because they work. "
 
I have actually met finderskeepers in person ...

Ok. So far so good :cool: You are someone who is not "putting words into" or "forming impressions" of someone whom you have never met a person. But for me, as a skeptic/critic, I would be guilty of not having met-in-person, or being able to "hear first hand" the view-points of the other person. You, on the other hand, HAVE had first-hand meeting and inter-action. Thus, your opinions are going to be held in higher esteem that someone like me, who never got to question or meet with FK. So your input here is of great value !

... The thought process he uses lets his imagination run wild with no concern for the sciences.....

.... SO many wild speculations ....

I gathered this as well, MERELY from the accounts of the news stories, and his posts, about Dent's Run. But as said, I had never met him in person. Nor had him standing there to spar with him on data/logic. But you can speak with more authority on this observation !



... Then he ended with a statement on his justification for using things like LRL and dowsing rods. ...

And I can't imagine, for a moment, why this would give any skeptic reason to doubt :roll:


... "I don't know how a microwave or air conditioner work, but I still use them because they work. "

This is the typical justification-lines used/given by LRL/dowsers to justify their craft. Eg.: Science once thought that heavier-than-air flight was impossible. Science once thought that the earth was flat, etc..... But heck, we now know different. Thus, somehow, this *proves* that dowsing is scientific ? And some day (like flight and flat vs round earth), that some day, science will come along and "rescue" dowsing too. Right ? :?: NO !

Then the million dollar question is: Does it even work in the first place ? And the answer is: No. Repeated double blind tests have always proven it to be nothing better than random chance eventual odds. Thus, no, there's nothing for science to "prove", in the first place.
 

Well well well. Some skeptical critiques allowed there now. Thanx for the link. Although .... those critics are not *quite* so condescending as some other persons could be :laughing:

If you feel like doing a posse hunt @ "4 mile beach" north of Santa Cruz, someone's offering a reward for a lost key there. You'll see it on C.L. Maybe they'll give you a map (satellite capture) on the suspected zone if you contact them.
 
That is actually a pretty interesting site has information on all states https://www.legendsofamerica.com/ this link just for your state https://www.legendsofamerica.com/california/

David, the fact that some treasure stories are factual , or actually found-&-realized (Atocha, goat-doctor hoard, etc....) does not equate to : "Therefore, all treasure legend stories are true". The fact that any others are intentionally or accidentally found, does not give merit to every OTHER ghost-story camp-fire legend. It only proves that THOSE individual stories were true. Not that ALL stories are true.

Each one is taken on its own merits. And in each case, a wise researcher will search for "more plausible explanations" . And "where the evidence points". And I'm afraid to say that the Dent's run story has no basis in reality.

Oh sure, it's riddled with real names, dates and events. BUT SO TOO IS EVERY yarn filled with real names, dates, and events. None of them ever started with "Once upon a time". :roll: They ALWAYS start with a real name, date and event. And the story is spun around those factors.

Which is why it is SO HARD to ever disprove them. Because the faithful (who don't want to get laughed at all the way to the bank) will perpetually point to the true factors of the story. And merely say: "It's a matter of sorting fact from fiction". But here-in lies the problem : Even if 99% of the story is true (the "names/dates/events"), yet if the 1% isn't true (the "treasure" part), then what good does it do that the other 99% of the story is true ? See ?
 
David, the fact that some treasure stories are factual , or actually found-&-realized (Atocha, goat-doctor hoard, etc....) does not equate to : "Therefore, all treasure legend stories are true". The fact that any others are intentionally or accidentally found, does not give merit to every OTHER ghost-story camp-fire legend. It only proves that THOSE individual stories were true. Not that ALL stories are true.

Each one is taken on its own merits. And in each case, a wise researcher will search for "more plausible explanations" . And "where the evidence points". And I'm afraid to say that the Dent's run story has no basis in reality.

Oh sure, it's riddled with real names, dates and events. BUT SO TOO IS EVERY yarn filled with real names, dates, and events. None of them ever started with "Once upon a time". :roll: They ALWAYS start with a real name, date and event. And the story is spun around those factors.

Which is why it is SO HARD to ever disprove them. Because the faithful (who don't want to get laughed at all the way to the bank) will perpetually point to the true factors of the story. And merely say: "It's a matter of sorting fact from fiction". But here-in lies the problem : Even if 99% of the story is true (the "names/dates/events"), yet if the 1% isn't true (the "treasure" part), then what good does it do that the other 99% of the story is true ? See ?
That site has a lot of information on it that has nothing to do with treasure and are rather interesting .
 
That site has a lot of information on it that has nothing to do with treasure ... .

You're right. My bad. I lifted the wrong "quote" link from your post. This is the post I meant my post to address :


That was the one I meant to address with my post # 35. And as you can see, that one deals with past treasure stories (some of which might be reputable, etc...). And in the context of this thread, I thought you were pointing out other treasure stories (which might be above dispute), as somehow lending credence to the one that this thread is about.
 
You're right. My bad. I lifted the wrong "quote" link from your post. This is the post I meant my post to address :



That was the one I meant to address with my post # 35. And as you can see, that one deals with past treasure stories (some of which might be reputable, etc...). And in the context of this thread, I thought you were pointing out other treasure stories (which might be above dispute), as somehow lending credence to the one that this thread is about.

lots of interesting articles on your state https://www.legendsofamerica.com/california/ might find some thing worth researching that have nothing to do with treasure.
 
This is the typical justification-lines used/given by LRL/dowsers to justify their craft. Eg.: Science once thought that heavier-than-air flight was impossible. Science once thought that the earth was flat, etc..... But heck, we now know different. Thus, somehow, this *proves* that dowsing is scientific ? And some day (like flight and flat vs round earth), that some day, science will come along and "rescue" dowsing too. Right ? :?: NO !

Then the million dollar question is: Does it even work in the first place ? And the answer is: No. Repeated double blind tests have always proven it to be nothing better than random chance eventual odds. Thus, no, there's nothing for science to "prove", in the first place.

Yes, tangled in there he also mentions how he has "found" treasure all over the USA. And as you usually suggest, the "found" is always that he knows it is there. Never any evidence or treasure to show, just that it is there waiting for him to dig it and he "knows it".
 
Yes, tangled in there he also mentions how he has "found" treasure all over the USA. And as you usually suggest, the "found" is always that he knows it is there. Never any evidence or treasure to show, just that it is there waiting for him to dig it and he "knows it".

I have seen this phenomenon over and over. The illogical usage of the past tense word "found". Exactly as you say: Someone has "found" a fabulous treasure. And now it's only a matter of

1) overcoming govt. red tape hurdles that stop him from recovering it

2) where is the best place to smelt 100 tons of gold

3) How to drain that durned swamp

4) What metal detector can go 6 meters deep to *pinpoint* it

But all-the-while, rest-assured: He has "found" (past tense) a treasure. And if he digs 6 meters deep, and finds nothing, it STILL doesn't mean that the treasure isn't there. It simply must mean

A) A little more to the right. A little more to the left. A little deeper, etc... And so forth till eternity (can you spell "Oak Island" ?)

B) Someone came and stole the treasure behind my back (can you spell "Dents Run" ?)

C) It was most certainly there, but someone must've dug it up years ago, and my dowsing rod was detecting gold dust halo coming from the hole.

A lot of this logic tends to come from 3rd world countries (the Philippines, Mexico, etc....). But I've also seen the logic coming from the LRL/dowser crowd in the USA as well.
 
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