Captain Silver
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Going to the post office tomorrow, first have to see is there anything else that needs to go in this box before I tape it shut
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Digger27's F70 log....Stardate 91517.72 (11-30-13)
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DIGGER27
In Memory Of
Going to the post office tomorrow, first have to see is there anything else that needs to go in this box before I tape it shut
What what???
How many coils ya got in there, friend?
Captain Silver
Elite Member
I was able to fit 3 coils in the box
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DIGGER27
In Memory Of
I was able to fit 3 coils in the box
Ok, there is generous and then there is crazy.
We need to talk.
Sending you a PM in a bit...
DIGGER27
In Memory Of
Ok, hunt # 3 and things just keep getting better and better...if that is even possible to believe.
Dug a little more trash to check to make sure that jumpy signals are trash...and all of them were.
Got fooled only one time by a bottle cap that came in as a pretty solid dime signal and believe me there were bottle caps all over this place, and some other solid signals in foil nickel and tabs that didn't jump much and those were trash too but that is normal and I know this can happen if the trash is shallow or presenting itself flat in the ground which does happen from time to time.
Overall I dug relatively little trash and still found all the targets you see in the pic below in areas I hunted before.
This thing is a wonder on good targets like coins and rings and other things.
Nice solid sounding signals, sometimes a little jumpy in the numbers but I listen for the good tone first and foremost and never even look at the screen until I hear one and then go back and examine the target a little more thoroughly and then try to hit targets from different angles if necessary to calm those numbers down to stay within 2 or 3..
This worked for me using the F2 and it works using the F70 but even more so.
This one is just more precise for lack of a better term, with what seems to be even more information in those tones than the 4 I heard on my F2.
This is hard to explain but I know there is a difference and the difference is something I can use to make me an even more efficient and faster hunter.
Depth is pretty amazing and I am easily hitting deeper areas with clear signals using this thing and the 10" elliptical coil which I am really starting to love.
The F2 and the 10" coil went pretty deep from time to time too, but the different shape hunting in areas with trash does seem to affect the info I received...hunting with this new coil is almost like hunting with a sniper or a DD coil and that thinner scanning field.
A few times I picked up a coin target in the same hole as a tab or a piece of foil and the F70 seemed to lock onto the good target and ignore the bad one right next to it.
Well, not ignore really, the numbers did jump more than 3 a few times from certain directions but the good tone I heard triggered me to dig and even though in these cases the numbers jumped a little more than the 2 or 3 I was looking for every time I dug one of these jumpier but solid sounding full signals I did find a good target very close to the vicinity of trash.
In trash this thing is more surprising and efficient than I thought it could be without a sniper coil and when there is a clean area to hunt this thing can acquire targets like it is honing in on the thing with a laser...no matter what that target might be.
Coins...this thing is a beast and even better than my F2 I think.
Nickels...look at the pic, this thing seems to love to find them in open areas or trashy ones and the proof is here.
I was still using 4H tones and those nickels just seemed to come alive with solid tones that said dig me whenever and wherever I came across them.
This is a very good ability for a mostly gold hunter like me.
I messed around with the thresh a little bit but couldn't go any higher than -1 before the tones started to become to fuzzy which I don't like.
The Sense I left up between 80 and 99.
A little noisy on the higher settings but I was finding stuff 6 and 7" deep at 80 and maybe a bit deeper at that lower setting so I am confident this thing will find me deeper targets if I come across them at even lower settings than that.
All in all a great day and every minute I swing this thing I seem to be getting a little more comfortable with it and it feels so natural in my hands.
Again, I must thank the F2 and all those hours spent together for that.
I found a heartbreaker fake gold or low karat gold class ring shallow that came in as a solid nickel signal...
http://metaldetectingforum.com/showthread.php?t=173653
...and a silver looking ring that might be real but it came in as a high zinc signal so maybe not and no markings so I am not counting it as silver but it was small and easily acquired at 6-7" deep.
A bunch more clad, also, and all of it found effortlessly and easily in clear areas and a few with some heavy trash.
Even a few odds and ends like several keys and the dog tag and junk charm among others not in the pic.
One more good weather day before I am maybe shut down for the winter so if I can get out today after some appointments and chores I will try to pick a good site and make it count.
Can't believe how much fun I am just starting to have and now it might end abruptly but that is life in the big city, I guess.
A northern city, anyway.
Hope to report back some more great things if I do get out today.
Dug a little more trash to check to make sure that jumpy signals are trash...and all of them were.
Got fooled only one time by a bottle cap that came in as a pretty solid dime signal and believe me there were bottle caps all over this place, and some other solid signals in foil nickel and tabs that didn't jump much and those were trash too but that is normal and I know this can happen if the trash is shallow or presenting itself flat in the ground which does happen from time to time.
Overall I dug relatively little trash and still found all the targets you see in the pic below in areas I hunted before.
This thing is a wonder on good targets like coins and rings and other things.
Nice solid sounding signals, sometimes a little jumpy in the numbers but I listen for the good tone first and foremost and never even look at the screen until I hear one and then go back and examine the target a little more thoroughly and then try to hit targets from different angles if necessary to calm those numbers down to stay within 2 or 3..
This worked for me using the F2 and it works using the F70 but even more so.
This one is just more precise for lack of a better term, with what seems to be even more information in those tones than the 4 I heard on my F2.
This is hard to explain but I know there is a difference and the difference is something I can use to make me an even more efficient and faster hunter.
Depth is pretty amazing and I am easily hitting deeper areas with clear signals using this thing and the 10" elliptical coil which I am really starting to love.
The F2 and the 10" coil went pretty deep from time to time too, but the different shape hunting in areas with trash does seem to affect the info I received...hunting with this new coil is almost like hunting with a sniper or a DD coil and that thinner scanning field.
A few times I picked up a coin target in the same hole as a tab or a piece of foil and the F70 seemed to lock onto the good target and ignore the bad one right next to it.
Well, not ignore really, the numbers did jump more than 3 a few times from certain directions but the good tone I heard triggered me to dig and even though in these cases the numbers jumped a little more than the 2 or 3 I was looking for every time I dug one of these jumpier but solid sounding full signals I did find a good target very close to the vicinity of trash.
In trash this thing is more surprising and efficient than I thought it could be without a sniper coil and when there is a clean area to hunt this thing can acquire targets like it is honing in on the thing with a laser...no matter what that target might be.
Coins...this thing is a beast and even better than my F2 I think.
Nickels...look at the pic, this thing seems to love to find them in open areas or trashy ones and the proof is here.
I was still using 4H tones and those nickels just seemed to come alive with solid tones that said dig me whenever and wherever I came across them.
This is a very good ability for a mostly gold hunter like me.
I messed around with the thresh a little bit but couldn't go any higher than -1 before the tones started to become to fuzzy which I don't like.
The Sense I left up between 80 and 99.
A little noisy on the higher settings but I was finding stuff 6 and 7" deep at 80 and maybe a bit deeper at that lower setting so I am confident this thing will find me deeper targets if I come across them at even lower settings than that.
All in all a great day and every minute I swing this thing I seem to be getting a little more comfortable with it and it feels so natural in my hands.
Again, I must thank the F2 and all those hours spent together for that.
I found a heartbreaker fake gold or low karat gold class ring shallow that came in as a solid nickel signal...
http://metaldetectingforum.com/showthread.php?t=173653
...and a silver looking ring that might be real but it came in as a high zinc signal so maybe not and no markings so I am not counting it as silver but it was small and easily acquired at 6-7" deep.
A bunch more clad, also, and all of it found effortlessly and easily in clear areas and a few with some heavy trash.
Even a few odds and ends like several keys and the dog tag and junk charm among others not in the pic.
One more good weather day before I am maybe shut down for the winter so if I can get out today after some appointments and chores I will try to pick a good site and make it count.
Can't believe how much fun I am just starting to have and now it might end abruptly but that is life in the big city, I guess.
A northern city, anyway.
Hope to report back some more great things if I do get out today.
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detectingMO
Forum Supporter
You have seen the light! I had similar euphoria going from F2 to an Omega. There is a significant jump from entry to mid range. I wouldn't ever even worry about high end. Not much of a jump over mid range and definitely no fun increase. I love the 10" elliptical!
Captain Silver
Elite Member
The Omega, T2, F70 or a F75 are capable, in the right hands...of finding 97% of the targets that would be found by a F75 LTD, T2 SE, ETrac, CTX, Deus or a V3I...I spent 2 years behind the controls of a LTD, and the one hunt where I got smoked by an Omega, 5 silvers to zip...stuck in my craw to the point where I finally sold the LTD and bought the offending Omega
Now I offend everyone else with it
...keeping up with and more often than not outhunting the more expensive units...More finds and more fun by 'stepping down' a level, go figure...Digger, try and source the width adjustable metal F75/T2 armcuff and bolt it on that F70...like I did to the Omega...and lose that too wide plastic factory junk. Trust me on this, the detector won't flail around when the coil tries to hang up hunting rough terrain, and it'll allow better coil control and tighter sweeps on easy ground.
DIGGER27
In Memory Of
Well, I know now this thing can find gold and relatively easily, too.
Picked out this 14k beauty in a trash pit literally right next to a piece of garbage but I still heard a good tone that made me bother to dig it.
I am loving the 4H mode which changes the entire range of nickel signals to high tones.
I know this is designed to be used by coin shooters, but we jewelry hunters can use it to our advantage, too.
I sure did on this signal.
http://metaldetectingforum.com/showthread.php?t=173725
Picked out this 14k beauty in a trash pit literally right next to a piece of garbage but I still heard a good tone that made me bother to dig it.
I am loving the 4H mode which changes the entire range of nickel signals to high tones.
I know this is designed to be used by coin shooters, but we jewelry hunters can use it to our advantage, too.
I sure did on this signal.
http://metaldetectingforum.com/showthread.php?t=173725
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DIGGER27
In Memory Of
Now the sniper coil gets a turn...
Threw the sniper coil on the new F70 the other day.
Target separation is fantastic.
They say it is pretty good using the long scanning field in the 11"dd too, but some of my super trashy sites the garbage is so close and concentrated it will be easier just to use this sniper so I am thrilled that I have one now.
Depth does not seem to be an issue with this one, either.
These are the results from a couple of short hunts in very trashy areas I have hit many times before.
Still picking up nickels like they were shallow silver dollars, they are so easy to hear in 3H or 4H.
All good targets coming in loud and clear no matter how deep.
Tried DP for a bit because mudpuppy says once you learn the sounds you KNOW what you are swinging over.
Still confuses me a little because I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of how different targets sound...yet, but I did roll over a couple of bottle caps and they did sound different than dimes or quarters with extra jumping and sounds like a low tone iron grunt here and there so one day with practice this might be my setting for hunting sites with a million of these in the ground.
Hit a few bottle caps with the 11" DD recently and I do believe there might have been an iron grunt in there too, but I do remember digging them so I might have been fooled and that is something you just have to deal with using DD's.
Using the 10" eliptical or this sniper those high tone bottle caps don't seem to be a problem at all.
I took a little trip into a woodsy area that is overgrown a bit now, but at one time had a small house and a couple more buildings.
A very difficult area to hunt, I call it the iron mine because it seems like they just knocked down all the buildings, (some had tin roofs), and just covered it all with a layer of dirt there is so much garbage in there.
Iron, steel, tin aluminum and more of all sizes from small to huge in this area, but using the F70 in this environment was a wonderful experience.
Disc on 1, I could hear all the iron grunts, and over the large pieces the overload sound, plus with the jumping I know the Fishers do over irregular shaped trash I could almost paint a perfect picture in my head of exactly what was below me.
I can see that for relic hunters or even coin shooters in iron and trash heavy sites this thing would be a potent weapon.
Yesterday came across this tiny ring, too.
A 73, maybe 3-4" deep, came up pretty clean, looks like silver, cleaned up like silver with black marks on my cleaning cloth, not a mark on it anywhere, however, so I am not counting it till I test it.
Could be stainless, but whatever it is it is thin and small and found easily with the F70.
Messing around with the thresh still, managed to get it up into the positive numbers with the sniper to maybe 1 or 2, but it still skews the sound of the tones a little too much for my taste.
I could get the sense into the 90's but usually push it back to 80 or so for a little quieter experience.
Past 90 it says in the manual that you will start to hear circuitry noise and that is true.
Just a small hum like a background threshold but I will probably not go that high unless it is necessary.
Even at half that setting it still seems to go deep.
Screwed up weather coming in again but I get out when I can here and there when it gets into the 30's so maybe Sunday I will have a shot at another hunt.
Threw the sniper coil on the new F70 the other day.
Target separation is fantastic.
They say it is pretty good using the long scanning field in the 11"dd too, but some of my super trashy sites the garbage is so close and concentrated it will be easier just to use this sniper so I am thrilled that I have one now.
Depth does not seem to be an issue with this one, either.
These are the results from a couple of short hunts in very trashy areas I have hit many times before.
Still picking up nickels like they were shallow silver dollars, they are so easy to hear in 3H or 4H.
All good targets coming in loud and clear no matter how deep.
Tried DP for a bit because mudpuppy says once you learn the sounds you KNOW what you are swinging over.
Still confuses me a little because I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of how different targets sound...yet, but I did roll over a couple of bottle caps and they did sound different than dimes or quarters with extra jumping and sounds like a low tone iron grunt here and there so one day with practice this might be my setting for hunting sites with a million of these in the ground.
Hit a few bottle caps with the 11" DD recently and I do believe there might have been an iron grunt in there too, but I do remember digging them so I might have been fooled and that is something you just have to deal with using DD's.
Using the 10" eliptical or this sniper those high tone bottle caps don't seem to be a problem at all.
I took a little trip into a woodsy area that is overgrown a bit now, but at one time had a small house and a couple more buildings.
A very difficult area to hunt, I call it the iron mine because it seems like they just knocked down all the buildings, (some had tin roofs), and just covered it all with a layer of dirt there is so much garbage in there.
Iron, steel, tin aluminum and more of all sizes from small to huge in this area, but using the F70 in this environment was a wonderful experience.
Disc on 1, I could hear all the iron grunts, and over the large pieces the overload sound, plus with the jumping I know the Fishers do over irregular shaped trash I could almost paint a perfect picture in my head of exactly what was below me.
I can see that for relic hunters or even coin shooters in iron and trash heavy sites this thing would be a potent weapon.
Yesterday came across this tiny ring, too.
A 73, maybe 3-4" deep, came up pretty clean, looks like silver, cleaned up like silver with black marks on my cleaning cloth, not a mark on it anywhere, however, so I am not counting it till I test it.
Could be stainless, but whatever it is it is thin and small and found easily with the F70.
Messing around with the thresh still, managed to get it up into the positive numbers with the sniper to maybe 1 or 2, but it still skews the sound of the tones a little too much for my taste.
I could get the sense into the 90's but usually push it back to 80 or so for a little quieter experience.
Past 90 it says in the manual that you will start to hear circuitry noise and that is true.
Just a small hum like a background threshold but I will probably not go that high unless it is necessary.
Even at half that setting it still seems to go deep.
Screwed up weather coming in again but I get out when I can here and there when it gets into the 30's so maybe Sunday I will have a shot at another hunt.
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Skwerly
Elite Member
Yes, another fine report, digger! My buddy swings an AT Pro and he swears he can tell a bottle cap because of the ‘jump’ like you mentioned. Crazy stuff!
You definitely have a nice detector, there.
You definitely have a nice detector, there.
DIGGER27
In Memory Of
Nice?
More like amazing every time I get out there with it.
The process of learning this thing is fun, digging has turned into being not so fun.
Most of the open areas that wind can get to are not exactly hard as ice yet, but down to about 4" it is just about as hard as the clay bearing dirt in Alabama after a long drought.
Luckily this thing pinpoints like a laser and I use my Propointer which goes minimum 4-5" deep from the top of the ground on every target to find the exact location before I dig so my holes are very small...only about 3" wide at the most.
It still takes some time to chop a hole in this stuff as small as that, and last year I bent my Lesche attempting to pry larger chunks up which eventually led to it breaking so I am trying hard not to do that this year with my free replacement.
Once you get past this 4" level the ground becomes soft and normal again and much easier to dig but the hole is so small it is hard to get the dirt out efficiently from that deep and I can't get my hand in there, only a few fingers, and those fingers are only so long.
I left a lot of targets in the ground that were mostly zinc pennies at that 3-4" depth for this reason, only dug the more shallow ones or I could have had a lot more coins in that pic.
The one hole I dug that was deeper and into that softer dirt was a solid signal in the very low nickel area...the same as many smaller gold rings I have dug in the past.
Turned out to be the tail off a beaver tail tab but this took too long and I just stopped trying.
There is always next spring.
Next outing, or sometime soon, when I have more time and the weather is above the 20's, I am targeting an old park about 20 miles from me and has a few small mountains I can crawl up and look for older coins in the softer dirt that has been protected by all the fallen leaves.
Some MD club buddies have found silver up there in the past.
It is sparse and spread out and you need to really work to find it but it is known to be there.
My first short range goal is to dig my first Barber coin with this thing or die trying.
Might have a shot at this site with this great machine.
DIGGER27
In Memory Of
Also want to add that I have about 15 hours on this thing and it might be a little more closer to 20 and I still have 4 full bars on the battery meter.
Like I said...amazing that this thing does all it does and uses very little power doing it.
Like I said...amazing that this thing does all it does and uses very little power doing it.
sycotoad
Member
The Omega, T2, F70 or a F75 are capable, in the right hands...of finding 97% of the targets that would be found by a F75 LTD, T2 SE, ETrac, CTX, Deus or a V3I...I spent 2 years behind the controls of a LTD, and the one hunt where I got smoked by an Omega, 5 silvers to zip...stuck in my craw to the point where I finally sold the LTD and bought the offending Omega
Just out of curiosity, did you use an arm/cuff strap on the original F70 cuff?
The reason I ask is that I have just fitted one to my F2 & it locks it very securely to my arm - it now actually feels like an extension to ones arm -
What I cant work out is why they dont supply a cuff strap with their new metal detectors they sell -
DIGGER27
In Memory Of
Some do, Fisher doesn't.
I don't use them, to me Fisher detectors feel natural and comfortable without them and it would just slow me down if I did, so to me it doesn't matter.
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Skwerly
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DIGGER27
In Memory Of
Ok, close to or maybe over 30 hours on this thing and still have 4 full battery bars...amazing!
Went to a site with very heavy EMI yesterday, also lots of iron because it used to be a riding area for horses so lots of horseshoes and parts and nails all over.
This was near the top of a large hill in an old park, the only place that is easy digging now is in the woods so that is where I went.
This site dates back to at least the 20's where now mountain bikers use it but back in the day it was used for recreation and for riding horses.
Settings were Disc on 4, DE, thresh was into the positive numbers at 1 or 2, sensitivity was way up there into the 90's and 2F tones because Treasurebone says EMI is less of a problem using those.
He seemed to be correct because still pretty noisy but I was still able to hear some good solid tones and dug those.
A Princess Pat lipstick tube from the 20's or 30's, a bullet, a 1919 wheatie and a great condition 1942 silver quarter...my first silver quarter I ever dug!
I know Barbers have been known to be up there and who knows what else, and there might even be some jewelry, too.
Can't wait to go back.
Went to a site with very heavy EMI yesterday, also lots of iron because it used to be a riding area for horses so lots of horseshoes and parts and nails all over.
This was near the top of a large hill in an old park, the only place that is easy digging now is in the woods so that is where I went.
This site dates back to at least the 20's where now mountain bikers use it but back in the day it was used for recreation and for riding horses.
Settings were Disc on 4, DE, thresh was into the positive numbers at 1 or 2, sensitivity was way up there into the 90's and 2F tones because Treasurebone says EMI is less of a problem using those.
He seemed to be correct because still pretty noisy but I was still able to hear some good solid tones and dug those.
A Princess Pat lipstick tube from the 20's or 30's, a bullet, a 1919 wheatie and a great condition 1942 silver quarter...my first silver quarter I ever dug!
I know Barbers have been known to be up there and who knows what else, and there might even be some jewelry, too.
Can't wait to go back.
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Skwerly
Elite Member
ooooooooo, nice! Looks like a neat/fun area, too!
sycotoad
Member
Congrats on that silver Digger27 - I am a keen follower of your threads - You have an awesome ability of taking us out on these hunts with you - Thank you for that 
