Jason in Enid
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There is no science behind it! That's why results can never be duplicated. The "science" behind this junk based on quantum mechanics and requires billions dollar machines the size of a house to measure.
Cache hunting with a divining rod.....
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godigit1
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Rudy
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I checked it out. Unquestionably, every atom and every molecule has an intrinsic resonance at some frequency, given by its given energy state. However in the absence of an external stimulus, the different atoms/molecules are not resonating in phase with one another and these resonances would tend to cancel each other out at distances greater than a few molecular diameters. Unlike in Nuclear Magnetic Resonance, where the sample is subjected to an extremely high external applied magnetic field to force align their spin. Even then, NMR produces ridiculously small signals requiring pretty fancy and expensive equipment.
It is not obvious how this effect (passive magnetic resonance) could be detected by bent metal rods.
EncrustedYen
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My bad Rudy. It just gets my spleen. This is the year 2010...not 1610.
Honestly it has been proved over and over that dowsing does not work.
This being a "friendly " metal detector forum it should take an official stance based on fact and science that dowsing is nonsense and that the products sold for the purpose of dowsing are a scam.
The people who make these shoddy overpriced coat hangers love it when people keep an " open mind " because if people applied any measure of critical thinking at all their garbage products would never sell.
godigit1
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You are right Rudy their is nothing that can prove dowsing. And probably one of the dummest things Ive probably done in my life was to buy that Omni range master being that the recovery method is dowsing rods. But its strange that the controlled tests I do with it seem to work. Ive done One blind test where A freinds son buried 10 pounds of lead. I set up and imediatly got a signal line. But I walked right past the 10 pounds to a fence on the other side of the feild. Looking over the fence their was a pallet of car batteries there. Inadvertantly I had set up in line with both the lead Kenny buried and the batteries. The machine is supposed to show you the hot spot so the test was neither a success or failure. You are obviously a very intelligent person and I value your opinion. Claremont is close to where one of my sisters lives, if I ever get down that way I would love to show you this machine and see what you thought. I dont know you but bet you would get a kick out of it either way.
I know I said I would bow out of this thread before and here I am, This time I will let it die as the meir thought of it seems to anger people. And my intent was never to prove dowsing but to discuss the range master with intelligent people sush as yourself and other members. Happy hunting, see you on other threads.
I know I said I would bow out of this thread before and here I am, This time I will let it die as the meir thought of it seems to anger people. And my intent was never to prove dowsing but to discuss the range master with intelligent people sush as yourself and other members. Happy hunting, see you on other threads.
fred sanford
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EncrustedYen
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Rudy
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We'd rather not censor such topics as many times in the past people have thought of buying such products. Allowing them to be discussed in a civil manner is more helpful than just banning the subject.
Here are some threads where the subject has come up before. Note that in at least one of these threads a member was able to avoid purchasing one of these devises that sell for over $1000 as a result of the discussion.
Police arrest MD of dowsing-rod 'bomb detector' firm
Elecroscopes...??
Dowsing
Questions About Bob Fiztgerald Detectors
Groundwater detection
Rudy
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You are right Rudy their is nothing that can prove dowsing. And probably one of the dummest things Ive probably done in my life was to buy that Omni range master being that the recovery method is dowsing rods. But its strange that the controlled tests I do with it seem to work. Ive done One blind test where A freinds son buried 10 pounds of lead. I set up and imediatly got a signal line. But I walked right past the 10 pounds to a fence on the other side of the feild. Looking over the fence their was a pallet of car batteries there. Inadvertantly I had set up in line with both the lead Kenny buried and the batteries. The machine is supposed to show you the hot spot so the test was neither a success or failure. You are obviously a very intelligent person and I value your opinion. Claremont is close to where one of my sisters lives, if I ever get down that way I would love to show you this machine and see what you thought. I dont know you but bet you would get a kick out of it either way.
I know I said I would bow out of this thread before and here I am, This time I will let it die as the meir thought of it seems to anger people. And my intent was never to prove dowsing but to discuss the range master with intelligent people sush as yourself and other members. Happy hunting, see you on other threads.
You might be interested in reading Carl's report on the Omni range master.
http://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reports/omnirange/index.dat
I should point out that Carl wrote this report way before he became the engineering manager at White's electronics so no one should think of this (and other of his LRL reports) as sour grapes from a main line metal detector manufacturer.
You can also get to Carl's LRL Main page at Geotech here.
EncrustedYen
Elite Member
I hope that guy who sold the junk to Iraq gets some serious jail time.
Jason in Enid
Elite Member
If this thing works so well, then you should be swimming in gold and silver right now. In fact, I would think you would be out digging instead of on here typing.
Or maybe the truth is that the thing doesn't work, you know it doesn't work, so thats why it's in the closet and you are looking for better answers.
ZJBarney
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Or maybe swimming in pallets of car batteries?
At $5 a pop for core credit maybe it's not such a bad idea.My first post here on this very interesting board. I have never used my rods for treasure hunting, but for another reason. I am a part time grave digger. I dig in a lot of old grave yards that have no records. I do use my rods to find old unmarked graves. My rods being brass brazing rods bent at a 90 degree angle. I usually am about 99% spot on when my rods cross there's going to be someone burried under them. I can usually find all 4 edges of the casket, or wood box if it is a really old grave , or all 4 corners of a vault if it is a more modern grave. A steel metal probe rod pushed down will confirm this. The old graves that were wooden box graves will be very hard pushing the probe until you hit where the box was at. Notice I said was. Very seldom is there anything left of these graves. Gray discolored dirt with a few hinges and locking hasps maybe. It gets real easy to push until you get through to the bottom of this gray matter and back to undisturbed dirt. The rods will cross at the point where the edge of the grave is and undisturbed dirt is. I have moved a few very old small grave yards and relocated the occupants to another grave yard do to coal mines mining up the area. At one grave yard I moved there were 13 old grave markers still standing and was told that there was 6 unmarked graves there also. I found a total of 19 more unmarked graves using my rods. I hope I found them all, but will never know. The area has been completely stripped mined now. I can't explain why or how these rods work, but they do. Believe it or not.
30U Plymouth
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Welcome to the forum from an old Missouri boy.
I worked for a vault company back in the 70's and 80's.
I have seen this done several times when the grave digger wasn't sure where to dig.
The grave digger would do just as you described and always seemed to get it right.
I worked for a vault company back in the 70's and 80's.
I have seen this done several times when the grave digger wasn't sure where to dig.
The grave digger would do just as you described and always seemed to get it right.
Silversmith45
Elite Member
Got a picture of it? I've played with L-rods and pendulums. I can find things that I know are there, but have never had much luck otherwise. I did find a silver ring in the direction an L-rod pointed, but I found it with my detector. I also found a dime that some guys testing their detectors had buried so deep that they couldn't pick it up anymore. I can't explain it.
Robin D
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I remember this topic coming up several times before.
Me, I've used dowsing rods to find underground wires and pipes with surprisingly great success. For this role, they're pretty accurate.
I've also thrown silver and clad coins into the yard and tried it on them ... no luck at all. Not so much as a twitch.
So, I don't put much stock in the idea for treasure hunting. Perhaps they may work for a large cache, but I don't know. But for pipes, they work for me.
RD
Me, I've used dowsing rods to find underground wires and pipes with surprisingly great success. For this role, they're pretty accurate.
I've also thrown silver and clad coins into the yard and tried it on them ... no luck at all. Not so much as a twitch.
So, I don't put much stock in the idea for treasure hunting. Perhaps they may work for a large cache, but I don't know. But for pipes, they work for me.
RD
Nugget Hunter
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Dowsing or Divining has been used for over 8000 years. It will not work for the non believers as it mainly comes from the the unused part of your brain (I know some of you will say I don't have a brain). It is ESP and the L rods, pendelum or what ever you are using, reacts. You have to ask yourself the right questions and be very specific. Example you can not ask it to locate you gold because gold is all over the place. You have to be more specific such as realistic recoverable gold. That way if there is a large deposit 100 feet down and you do not have the means to dig to that depth it will ignore the deposit.
It has been studied by open minded scientist and even though they could not explain how it works, they proved that it does.
I have seen it work for hundreds of people on many different subjects (water, gold, oil, health, lost remote control airplane). Is it 100%, no, is your metal detector 100%, no. The more you practice the better you get.
I have located nuggets and pipes using L rods.
The Spanish used dowsing to locate gold and silver for the King. Check out history and check out the American Dowsing Society, they have Chapters across the country.
It has been studied by open minded scientist and even though they could not explain how it works, they proved that it does.
I have seen it work for hundreds of people on many different subjects (water, gold, oil, health, lost remote control airplane). Is it 100%, no, is your metal detector 100%, no. The more you practice the better you get.
I have located nuggets and pipes using L rods.
The Spanish used dowsing to locate gold and silver for the King. Check out history and check out the American Dowsing Society, they have Chapters across the country.
VetStudent
Senior Member
I believe in dowsing, my Dad has used sticks as dowsing rods countless times to find pipes underground. The ability to do this is said to run in our family. I have not tried it, but will give it a try sometime to find coins/relics....and I'll let y'all know if there's any success.
Old Town
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Take the test for money.
Not long ago I saw a man working for the highway department using divining rods on Rt. 1 in Marathon. This is the first time I've ever seen anyone actually using these fraudulent tools. What was surprising is a town worker would be allowed to use them on a government job. Around him were stacked pipes and piles of dirt. A backhoe had already started to dig for something. The whole image of a modern man with modern heavy equipment using divining rods struck me as weird.
I've read a ton on this subject and always wonder why the divining rod advocates do not take the numerous cash prizes offered over the years by those seeking a genuine display of divining rods working outside of the odds of chance. Those who believe in divining rods never address this.
Old Town
Not long ago I saw a man working for the highway department using divining rods on Rt. 1 in Marathon. This is the first time I've ever seen anyone actually using these fraudulent tools. What was surprising is a town worker would be allowed to use them on a government job. Around him were stacked pipes and piles of dirt. A backhoe had already started to dig for something. The whole image of a modern man with modern heavy equipment using divining rods struck me as weird.
I've read a ton on this subject and always wonder why the divining rod advocates do not take the numerous cash prizes offered over the years by those seeking a genuine display of divining rods working outside of the odds of chance. Those who believe in divining rods never address this.
Old Town
