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The Curse Of Oak Island

itsaring! said:
If you watch "Treasureforce" on youtube? Now that they are involved and start adding their conspiracy theories, they'll milk the show for three more seasons. If I hear about William Shakespeare one more time I'm gonna snap.I just wonder when they find and open the ark of the covenant if it kills all three people watching the show in season 27:?::laughing:
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CoiltoSoil said:
If it is an entrance, it's not a very good one, there are many easier, and better ways to hide treasure. The Templar's for example liked to work with stone, not dirt and wood. If a cavern was dug 200 foot down, where is all the dirt that would have been excavated. If someone had the Ark, and wanted to hide it forever, it would be easier to drop it into the depths of the mid Atlantic.

As far as the ship, if the story is true, which it most likely is not, the ship was just a passing ship, or maybe even a small fishing boat, to assume out of nowhere that it's a ship looking for or hiding treasure is more than just far fetched. If anything it was a few kids with wild imagination. I dreamed of pirate treasure as well when I first started detecting in my teens.

Considering the coin, we find coins here in the states from centuries, even millennia ago, people carry old coins for luck, souvenirs, or collections, they sometimes get lost along the way in strange places, far from home. I've seen Roman coins found in the Midwest.

Most of the stories that the treasure is based on are more than likely just tales themselves. I love treasure stories, and I love when treasure is found, but researching this, it's obvious to me that it's a hoax, a long with all supposed "evidence" that mysteriously vanished.
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because i love the story and debate ill engage if you dont mind in a kindly further disagreement

1. Its a bad entrance

i dont believe it was to be entered again, entrance was the thing i said but rather i mean access point. I think if there is a vault down there it would likely be sealed off for good (or at least that what they intended)

2. the mid atlantic would be a better hiding place

a group such as the Knights of the Templar are as they see servants of the faith. No such organizational would drop the remnants of the ten commandments into the ocean. It would be revered but never destroyed in my opinion

3. the ship story

i find the entire ship angle to be a weak argument FOR the treasure as well. I have always chalked that up to a badly retold story and not drawn on it for nearly any evidence

4. The coins

i agree that there are often many wierd cases of relocation of coins carried as trinkets well after the monetary value of the coins is no longer in existence. However from what ive seen in a few articles the coins that were found have consistent wear and corrosion to at least not discount the possibility they were dropped in the period they were minted. Not conclusive evidence but its not as if they can be said without a doubt to be from the 1700s. I mean the coins are 6th centrury IIRC. placing them well before the 18th century events.

5. (lastly) your doubt / evidence

would i be correct in saying that your doubt is well seeded in the lack of evidence? I myself can easily discount the lack of evidence in the early years, archaeological practices back then were horrific in alot of instances. There are accounts of south american sites being exhumed where all artifacts except gold were simply thrown away or burned. So its not a stretch for me to thing in the early days of excavation the supposed planks and debris that were buried would have been simply set aside to rot. No one keep wood planks if they think treasure is nearby. also we cant discount the number of strange accounts and evidence we do have. Coconut debris, mysterious rock formations, etc. Is it possible to be one big hoax, of course. But i think to say its an obvious hoax is not representative of the lack of 100% identifiable facts for either side. THe only people who NEED to be convinced theres something there are the guys emptying their wallets to dig down from the show :laughing:
 
Foiled said:
THe only people who NEED to be convinced theres something there are the guys emptying their wallets to dig down from the show :laughing:
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I agree with you there, I feel they're grasping at straws, but if they have the money to throw away, and it keeps them entertained, then I guess they can do as they please. As for me I'd rather spend my money on finding Spanish Galleons in the Caribbean. :D
 
Metal Maniac said:
Anyone still interested in this program? I am.
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I watch it, but I find myself paying less and less attention to it. They're just jumping all over now, they find Spanish coins and claim it's a Spanish treasure, now they're on a Knights Templar kick based on no evidence what-so-ever. The Knights were bankers, by no means would they travel to an unknown land, bury it 200 feet, and leave it there for 1,000 years. It's a good story but makes no sense at all. Besides, this was filmed months ago, if anything even remotely good was found it would have hit the news networks long ago. I don't understand why it's so hard to see what's down there, if guys in the 1870's could build the Brooklyn Bridge using caissons, then why can't these guys just line the walls of the shaft with concrete pipes to stop all water seepage instead of wasting tons of money by traveling around to random countries and draining swamps. The shows more entertainment than real substance. I wish they would just do it the right way, get it done, and solve whatever "mystery" it is once and for all instead of half assing everything, but that's just my opinion. :D
 
CoiltoSoil said:
I watch it, but I find myself paying less and less attention to it. They're just jumping all over now, they find Spanish coins and claim it's a Spanish treasure, now they're on a Knights Templar kick based on no evidence what-so-ever. The Knights were bankers, by no means would they travel to an unknown land, bury it 200 feet, and leave it there for 1,000 years. It's a good story but makes no sense at all. Besides, this was filmed months ago, if anything even remotely good was found it would have hit the news networks long ago. I don't understand why it's so hard to see what's down there, if guys in the 1870's could build the Brooklyn Bridge using caissons, then why can't these guys just line the walls of the shaft with concrete pipes to stop all water seepage instead of wasting tons of money by traveling around to random countries and draining swamps. The shows more entertainment than real substance. I wish they would just do it the right way, get it done, and solve whatever "mystery" it is once and for all instead of half assing everything, but that's just my opinion. :D
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I know they made a big deal about the last coin may have a Templar cross on it. Then don't hardly comment about the coin at all:lol: The narrator burns up 40 minutes of the show repeating the same thing over and over again. How many times do you need to show a drillbit going down hitting wood in one episode:?: I'm still watching. But I have "on demand":lol:

As far as digging the hole. As I said before. They have steel sheets with panel grooves you drive into the ground. If it can stop swamp water around here, I don't think a boobie trap that likely doesn't exist anyways is no problem to stop. That island is basically like Florida. You dig any hole, eventually ground water comes in in high volume. I've dug in the ground since the eighties with heavy equipment. Seen lots of water pour in holes. We use well points to dry the whole area.
 
It is dragging along this season. With the repeating and the d#=! commercials we are lucky to see 20 minutes new content in an hour show. They can't tell much of a story in that time.

I'm with you guys. It should not be a big deal to dig that hole with the technology and equipment at their disposal.

Cliff
 
GKman said:
The only way to watch must tv these days is dvr... I would watch practically nothing if I didn't have the option to ff through endless commercial breaks.
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I second that. Anything worth watching I DVR....even the nightly news. I can't remember the last time I watched a Patriots game live. There is no greater joy than for a couch potato like me to fast forward through commercials! I do miss the chia pet and snuggie commercials though. NOT!
 
Mr. Digger said:
I second that. Anything worth watching I DVR....even the nightly news. I can't remember the last time I watched a Patriots game live. There is no greater joy than for a couch potato like me to fast forward through commercials! I do miss the chia pet and snuggie commercials though. NOT!
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Yeah! On demand..."The fast forward function has been disabled for this program!"... Oh snap!!!!!!!
 
Don't know if you noticed? But evidently Under Armour wouldn't give them a bucket of cash to advertise. The one guy is walking around the whole last episode sporting their shirt. Then when he's talking to the camera he has to turn it inside out:lol:
 
itsaring! said:
I know they made a big deal about the last coin may have a Templar cross on it. Then don't hardly comment about the coin at all:lol: The narrator burns up 40 minutes of the show repeating the same thing over and over again. How many times do you need to show a drillbit going down hitting wood in one episode:?: I'm still watching. But I have "on demand":lol:

As far as digging the hole. As I said before. They have steel sheets with panel grooves you drive into the ground. If it can stop swamp water around here, I don't think a boobie trap that likely doesn't exist anyways is no problem to stop. That island is basically like Florida. You dig any hole, eventually ground water comes in in high volume. I've dug in the ground since the eighties with heavy equipment. Seen lots of water pour in holes. We use well points to dry the whole area.
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Yeah I agree, they must have realized that the coin was probably another Spanish coin. It's not that uncommon to find Spanish coins on the east coast. Also the narrator does ramble on about the same things every show, there's no need to go over everything every 10 minutes. I don't believe in the secret water tunnels either, the logistics, distances, and depth just make it very unlikely, even impossible.
 
itsaring! said:
Don't know if you noticed? But evidently Under Armour wouldn't give them a bucket of cash to advertise. The one guy is walking around the whole last episode sporting their shirt. Then when he's talking to the camera he has to turn it inside out:lol:
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I noticed that, and Marty is always wearing that Villa something vineyard or winery shirt.
 
itsaring! said:
How many times do you need to show a drillbit going down hitting wood in one episode:?: I'm still watching. But I have "on demand":lol:
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lol, yeah in some of the episodes they mention how there were "mines" which turned out to be producing fools gold in the 1500's? Wouldn't it be normal to strike wood timbers then? They could just be passing through some of the old shafts, it would also explain the early Spanish coins on the island as they were popular in England and America at the time. If anyone just carbon date the wood and be done with it.
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We all would like to believe that this whole thing is real. But, to me it seems that a ship full of guys would't have had the ability to build such an elaborate system of flood tunnels, man made swamps, 140 foot deep holes, cement, etc.

Nonetheless, for me it is a neat story about a couple of guys that have the time and lotsa lotsa money (martin is apparently worth a fortune from natural gas drilling) to dig for a legendary treasure. So I will continue to watch to see what they turn up.
 
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