Kris in WA
Senior Member
Im glad to see my thread is still goiing
Not quite sure how to take this
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TrailChaser
Full Member
What ended up being the outcome? Did you modify the ad and keep posting it? Did you ever reply to her email?
Now, if you do find a historical item will you be more likely to just cover it back up and forget you ever saw it for fear of being prosecuted?(you don't really have to answer that one. lol)
I have heard that here in Texas anything over 50yrs old found in the ground is state property, but I'm assuming they are talking about public lands.
Now, if you do find a historical item will you be more likely to just cover it back up and forget you ever saw it for fear of being prosecuted?(you don't really have to answer that one. lol)
I have heard that here in Texas anything over 50yrs old found in the ground is state property, but I'm assuming they are talking about public lands.
HRife
New Member
The Government wants it ALL!
Bottom line is the Government spends the tax money faster than they can get it so they look elsewhere for revenue. There are a bunch of STUPID laws made by STUPID lawmakers. Such as kissing a frog or a couple kissing underwater! Yep! Real laws. Tons more.
IF it has historic significance.....then yes, record and notify. I agree with the one post about bagging up all the rusty nails, bottle caps, car parts and etc. and sending it to them to "RESEARCH"!
Rebel by birth and in heart
Bottom line is the Government spends the tax money faster than they can get it so they look elsewhere for revenue. There are a bunch of STUPID laws made by STUPID lawmakers. Such as kissing a frog or a couple kissing underwater! Yep! Real laws. Tons more.
IF it has historic significance.....then yes, record and notify. I agree with the one post about bagging up all the rusty nails, bottle caps, car parts and etc. and sending it to them to "RESEARCH"!
Rebel by birth and in heart
The Rebel
Forum Supporter
Nice One!!!
Kris in WA
Senior Member
i slightly modified my craigslist post so she would leave me alone. i decided it would be best that i didn't reply to her message for 2 reasons. first, i really couldn't find a polite way to tell her what i really thought of her email and second, i figured if i did respond and she didn't like what i had to say (and i can assure you she probably wouldn't), it would most likely just make her mad and give her a reason to continue to bother me.
CAVScout
Full Member
I hope
I hope that Crap nugget falls into one of her "archaeological holes" and breaks a leg!
I hope that Crap nugget falls into one of her "archaeological holes" and breaks a leg!
HRife
New Member
Well thought out! You are definately a person of level head. Good for you! May your good karma bring you many great finds!
Nugget Hunter
Full Member
Under most Federal and State "Archaeological" laws coins are not protected. Under most "archaeological" laws an item (any item) must be at least 100 years old and MUST be of archaeological or historical SIGNIFICANCE to be protected. Otherwise it is fair game especially on PRIVATE property.
A lot (not all) of state archaeologist lie on purpose to protect not items but their jobs.
It is a shame that we can not all get along and both groups and the public would benefit but usually it is a "us vs them" mentality. Even our former Lords in England are not as greedy as our archaeologist here in the States.
A lot (not all) of state archaeologist lie on purpose to protect not items but their jobs.
It is a shame that we can not all get along and both groups and the public would benefit but usually it is a "us vs them" mentality. Even our former Lords in England are not as greedy as our archaeologist here in the States.
~Alan~
Forum Supporter
A few are
I know that when the archaeology series "Time Team" did a couple of digs in the US, they were frustrated at the meticulous way the US archaeologists worked.
Which in many ways is understandable. With there being less of historical interest to find, they don't want to miss anything.
This really carries on from another thread.....
Say for instance you found a cache of flint arrow heads.
You could tell nobody, keep them at home or sell them on Ebay.
The end result being, the only value the find had was monetary, which probably wouldn't be much anyway.
Or, you could show them to an archaeologist or museum curator.
They would then have an historical value, adding to the history of the area.
If then displayed in a museum, a wider audience would appreciate them.
Rather than being out of site in a private collection gathering dust.
Jennings
Banned
Signed, Yours Truly
My first response was a visceral one. Lots of passion but not much fun. If you can't have fun at the expense of a loathsome archeologist, then what's the point of living? So here's what I'd do on second thought:
Write back and tell this guy you sure could use some help. At present your brother is digging on your old grand pappy's Arizona ranch over by the border with Mexico. For years you and the brother have found pottery and arrowheads and crap. Now that brother of yours has started finding what appears to look like Inca death mask chest pieces. Pierced on the top and made of thin hammered gold. About .080 thick and five inches across. Some other gold junk you ain't got no idea what. Tell him in your letter how your brother has already used the D8 dozer to take off the top 2 feet of soil. Tell him now that sibling of yours is moaning about all the giant granite blocks he's running into. Funny, there ain't no native granite nearby and the stone formation looks a lot like Stonehenge only completely buried.
The brother is not too worried cause he just bought a case of dynamite. He figures after having found that bit of Spanish horse gear, that iron stirrup with "Pizzaro" engraved in it, he'll have an easier time moving those damn blocks out of the way to find what is believed to be a Spanish trove of Inca gold. Pizzaro having been thought to have sent a brigade north to the American Southwest in 1540 - a year before the Indian's finally did the right thing and fitted a spear through his cold, cold heart. Tell the archeologist something like this.
As for you? You haven't had time to help your brother. You're too damn busy down in Florida dragging the bottom off Marathon Key. Sure, you tear up a bit of coral, but what the hell? Seeing how many gold coins and emeralds your pulling out; stuff ole Mel Fisher never even dreamed about. Busy like you are, it be criminal to stop. Think of the history. Think of the fun. Think of all that loot! Sure would be swell to have a helpful set of new hands along. How about you come on down? Bring your dive gear and any waterproof explosives you can lay hands on. That damn reef is a real nuisance. Tell the archeologist you don't have time to wait on the pier. Tell him to look south and west out over the Stream. Just outside the reef you'll see waterspouts lifting. Drive your boat that way. And, oh yeah, shut of any two-way radios and such. Setting those charges is tough enough without some idiot doing it for you just as you place a piece of brain coral over 10 pounds of C4 tucked in the grouper hole.
You write a letter like that. That's what I'd do.
Jennings
My first response was a visceral one. Lots of passion but not much fun. If you can't have fun at the expense of a loathsome archeologist, then what's the point of living? So here's what I'd do on second thought:
Write back and tell this guy you sure could use some help. At present your brother is digging on your old grand pappy's Arizona ranch over by the border with Mexico. For years you and the brother have found pottery and arrowheads and crap. Now that brother of yours has started finding what appears to look like Inca death mask chest pieces. Pierced on the top and made of thin hammered gold. About .080 thick and five inches across. Some other gold junk you ain't got no idea what. Tell him in your letter how your brother has already used the D8 dozer to take off the top 2 feet of soil. Tell him now that sibling of yours is moaning about all the giant granite blocks he's running into. Funny, there ain't no native granite nearby and the stone formation looks a lot like Stonehenge only completely buried.
The brother is not too worried cause he just bought a case of dynamite. He figures after having found that bit of Spanish horse gear, that iron stirrup with "Pizzaro" engraved in it, he'll have an easier time moving those damn blocks out of the way to find what is believed to be a Spanish trove of Inca gold. Pizzaro having been thought to have sent a brigade north to the American Southwest in 1540 - a year before the Indian's finally did the right thing and fitted a spear through his cold, cold heart. Tell the archeologist something like this.
As for you? You haven't had time to help your brother. You're too damn busy down in Florida dragging the bottom off Marathon Key. Sure, you tear up a bit of coral, but what the hell? Seeing how many gold coins and emeralds your pulling out; stuff ole Mel Fisher never even dreamed about. Busy like you are, it be criminal to stop. Think of the history. Think of the fun. Think of all that loot! Sure would be swell to have a helpful set of new hands along. How about you come on down? Bring your dive gear and any waterproof explosives you can lay hands on. That damn reef is a real nuisance. Tell the archeologist you don't have time to wait on the pier. Tell him to look south and west out over the Stream. Just outside the reef you'll see waterspouts lifting. Drive your boat that way. And, oh yeah, shut of any two-way radios and such. Setting those charges is tough enough without some idiot doing it for you just as you place a piece of brain coral over 10 pounds of C4 tucked in the grouper hole.
You write a letter like that. That's what I'd do.
Jennings
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OSUBuckeye16
Junior Member
Word!
indigloindiglo
Junior Member
Stupid
I'm sure there would be no problem if a big company or chain wanted to level off a site and build for the sake of progress thus shifting and moving all that history and disturbing it.
I wonder what it costs to restore pocket change back to the archelogical area to which it supposedly came.
I'm sure there would be no problem if a big company or chain wanted to level off a site and build for the sake of progress thus shifting and moving all that history and disturbing it.
I wonder what it costs to restore pocket change back to the archelogical area to which it supposedly came.
Jennings
Banned
All fun aside. I would not even respond to such a note. No way she's gonna hunt you down or follow your every action. Two minutes after she sent that letter or note, she had already forgotten about it.
We really are non-existent on the radar until we blab to the papers of our finds or do something equally stupid like post a picture of the golden crown and jewels on a treasure forum.
When you do that, expose yourself, well, you deserve a rough time.
Jennings
We really are non-existent on the radar until we blab to the papers of our finds or do something equally stupid like post a picture of the golden crown and jewels on a treasure forum.
When you do that, expose yourself, well, you deserve a rough time.
Jennings
Silversmith45
Elite Member
I constantly hear of how these government agencies want things left undisturbed for future generations to enjoy. The fact that a metal artifact will only be a pile of rust by then doesn't seem to cross their minds. If things aren't dug up, no one will ever know that they are there anyway. Future generations? What's wrong with our generation being able to enjoy things while they are still here. Aren't we the future generations of the past?
Jennings
Banned
Exactly right, this concern is laughable. What's even funnier is that all those government types have no interest in history or archeology of anything else but their next paid holiday and how much vacation time they've accrued.
Tell 'em nothing and dig till yer hands bleed.
Jennings
~Alan~
Forum Supporter
This is one of the concerns over here. We are often recovering items from fields, which have been damaged by ploughing and fertilizers. There are still a few archaeologists who think we shouldn't find them.
Thankfully more are coming around to our way of thinking.
Thankfully more are coming around to our way of thinking.
Goldenexpress
Senior Member
How about
You know, if the archaeologist want to study my finds, they can, but they will have to give them back to me when their finished with their studying instead of putting them in the back of a museum.
HH Michael
You know, if the archaeologist want to study my finds, they can, but they will have to give them back to me when their finished with their studying instead of putting them in the back of a museum.
HH Michael
Jennings
Banned
No victims here
I have no problem with them borrowing anything. But they must post a bond. That is, they have to give me some fair monetary amount to "hold" until they return my finds. Never trust an archeologist or government agent. Once they have the article in their hands you are at their mercy. Trust nobody and you'll never be a victim.
Jennings
I have no problem with them borrowing anything. But they must post a bond. That is, they have to give me some fair monetary amount to "hold" until they return my finds. Never trust an archeologist or government agent. Once they have the article in their hands you are at their mercy. Trust nobody and you'll never be a victim.
Jennings
GothincSamurai
New Member
I would just research who is her entire staff's her boss and up employer and write a letter about her dept. is not producing anything educationally relevant nor been producing anything for quite some time and bring that to the publics attention. and you can do this while being completely anonymous. And that it needs to be fixed. Once you publicize the fact they are keeping a job via campaign supporting and not working I am sure you will minimally get them working or hopefully canned. And put it along the line like this is this source of your children's education knowledge is this what you want. And the last time I check most native american artifacts are not metallic at least we started coming over here and giving them knifes hatchets and rifles witch changed there culture in a sense. And if we wanted to learn about them so bad then why did we steal there own land???
P.S. Sure it's not Steven Kramer cause she looks like a chick with a **** to me or it might be the photo I don't know
And OMG look at there educational value and educational teachings http://www.dahp.wa.gov/pages/Archaeology/Education.htm
P.S. Sure it's not Steven Kramer cause she looks like a chick with a **** to me or it might be the photo I don't know
And OMG look at there educational value and educational teachings http://www.dahp.wa.gov/pages/Archaeology/Education.htm
Silversmith45
Elite Member
On second thought, send them modern trash too. Tell them you don't have their knowledge as to what is over fifty years old, but you're sure some might be. Tell them you are trying to help and they can sort it out themselves and that you will send more as soon as you find it.
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