Nokta Impact information

[wisconsinwalter]

While researching this machine, I have seen and read what all have. This report on this thread is consistent with what I was told by my dealer. Vance Metal Detectors, if you think Jeremy is a yes man, then I question your ability to comprehend.

I called to buy a Deus, I was offered his opinion of the Impact compared with the Deus. I am biased towards Jeremy as we are Marines. His opinion was valuable because it matchs TNSS report.

What does rub me wrong and hard is the insinuation that we, that have purchased one, have been bamboosled by fake reports by yes men.

Jeremy may not like me saying this but I find him honest and very straightforward in his opinions and he in fact tested the machine after the input from the testers came back and changes were made.

You know what they say about opinions, but my choice was made from a report most of you never have seen or heard. I piped up because I find brand loyalists happen to be those not testing but defending there own purchases and that those testing are put in a catch 22 by all including the manufacturers they currently use to offer an opinion of a competitor.

Just dont infer we are lemmings heading to the cliff.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

A tad of subject here but fitting.

Why does it seem Minelabbers can keep going to pounded parks and make finds??

I mean a lot of these parks have been hunted pretty hard (the users think so),, so why??

Could it be the Minelabs weakness is also shown as a strength since it can keep going in and making finds??

I figure this is what is happening most of the time,,,the coins are not being approached from the detectable angle,,but later they are hence discovered.

Now,,it seems some folks always want to relate solely to pounded sites.

What about a detector that gives advantage (although it might be small) to a one pass of the coil over a coin??
And the detector alerts on.

Yes for folks whose sites are very limited this pounded site talk may be true,,,but what about hunting new sites,,,sites where you only get one shot to hunt for whatever reason,,,be it permission,,distance traveled, etc.

There was a thread here I started about " Do you think your sites are cleaned out".
Folks should read this,,it is very applicable to the bigger world of metal detecting.

Also some food for thought here.
Could it be possible for example the Minelabbers they find good coins,,and are satisfied,,,they actually think they got all the goods by doing.

I encourage folks to watch what forum member Coin whisperer has said as of late when using his Deus detector.
Seems he was a dedicated Minelab person but has seen the light.

This post is not me at to demean any detector model,,but to shed light on just what detectorists may be thinking,,and just maybe what they may be missing.

Now one last question.
How many times has someone here pulled nails of out a hole with or detected a modern era coin that was heavily masked??
I have done this very very few times.
Usually the coin is older.

 

[choppadude]

My take on this...only one machine given to a hardcore coin hunter to test...yet I bet for a majority of people that detect, looking for older coins in a park or schoolyard is their only option. The machine wasn't tested by the right group of hunters, but by detecting forum yes-men, book sellers and youtube video gods. There, I said it...Here's what matters to me and the silent majority...can this Impact pull silver from a 100 year old urban park with moderate soil? Would I be able to take one and run it thru places I've pounded with Fisher/Tek and Minelab machines, places also hunted by everyone else...with every machine ever made in the last 40 years...and come home with silver 9 hunts out of 10? Prove that is possible and there will be a waiting list to buy one.

You ask have the same questions I have Captain, I have heard the Impact is great in iron, I heard it has great depth also BUT will it find those coins that evade many other detectors?
Most of my hunting (80% of it at least) is done in the places that everyone else considers "Hunted out". I have managed to make some awesome finds in these places. I would love to take the Impact to these spots and see what my Minelab and Deus may have missed.
Now I am in disagreement with those who criticize the way testers were selected, I think Nokta did a great job in selecting testers. Almost every forum I am a member of has had someone there testing this machine, not just the detecting elite but the normal everyday guy who might only detect on the weekends. Did some of the big name guys get one? Yes. They have many followers who value their opinion and I think that was a wise choice also.
With the Racer I was a bit disappointed but maybe I expected too much from it. The Racer2 was a vast improvement over the original and I would expect the Impact to be another step up.
It amazes me how fast this company can get a new or improved product out to the market. Look how long many of us have waited for the promised updates for the CTX3030.
I have no reason to "suck up" to a business or company but I do like to give credit where credit is deserved and I think this company has done many things right.
Now lets see how good this Impact is hitting the local park and searching for them deep goodies that everyone else is missing. In the end THAT is the real test.

 

[Trashman]

Why reluctance to video?

With practically everyone with a video camera /cellphone in their pocket why not some short comparison shots?
Why the excuses?
Hmmmm!!!!

 

[tnsharpshooter]

For folks using Impact in heavily iron laden sites,,looking really for any target of nonferrous nature,,DI 99 mode is good to use.

What folks will here even with a default disc setting of 3,, you will hear the detector provide audio on some of the iron.
One thing to especially listen for.
You will hear Impact tonally transition while over some iron for high to low tone using DI99 mode.
The Impact has the uncanny ability to if a person hears a suspect target,,,with careful coil height and sweep,,coil position,,,if they will listen they will hear just a smidge of mid tone pop in,,can be real short.
These targets here,,,will be heavily crippled,,and one can expect to pull nail(s) most times when recovering.
I should warn folks,,as your confidence builds with the unit,,when you get the hang of what a suspect nonferrous target sounds like,,,you will continue to persue your find,,,even after removing multiple nails.

The iron is doing its best here trying to run the tone/ID into iron range,,but Impact pulls through tonally.

Very easy to get discouraged after you pull nails, etc,,,and think you have been fooled.
How do I know this??
Guess

Didn't take me long though to see the light.

Another scenario folks will see when hunting in iron pits.
You may see a reading while over a suspect target that has what I call a hanging TID reading like in the high 20s to low 30s. But tone don't exactly match ID sound wise. These particular targets,,care must be taken. They can be actual relic iron,,or even a nonferrous find sitting on top of deeper relic iron,,or closely off to the side of bigger relic iron.
These here I consider the hardest to weigh for digging. A person has to be careful usin pinpoint for decision making,,,and even rotating around target using this intel gathered for dig/no dig decision.
Just be mindful of these,,,they have worked out both ways for me,,good nonferous finds and relic iron.

 

[Trashman]

Show us!

TNSS do you not have a cellphone?
Show us some comparison on difficult targets!
If the Impact is so pronounced then some short video should be easy!
We want to see real targets not some arrangements for tests!

 

[tnsharpshooter]

TNSS do you not have a cellphone?
Show us some comparison on difficult targets!
If the Impact is so pronounced then some short video should be easy!
We want to see real targets not some arrangements for tests!

I have no cell service in my area.
Besides you would only complain of any video I supplied here.

Do you think all I have done is set and dream up all this info here with Impact??

Go look at the thread here titled Cracking the code with Deus V4.
See any of the other members here concurring with my results posted.
I didn't dream that info up either.

I guarantee if you decide to purchase Impact and apply what I have said in this thread,,,you are off to the races.

I will also bet,,,if someone does a book on Impact,,,you will see a lot of this in the book too.
Imagine that!!

 

[choppadude]

I can see the point some guys are making. Seeing is believing. I know TNSS goes into much detail and some if hard to grasp due to the sheer volume of info. Some guys are just the hands on type.
I am already planning on getting an Impact just to see how it stacks up against my other units. Granted it is hard to take several detectors to a spot and then run each one over a suspected target. THEN one would need to change settings and do it again and again and again. Pretty boring for the tester but the info revealed can only help one to learn the machine, its limits and where it may excel.
All the nail board test in the world will not answer the age old question, will this unit detect deep or masked targets in MY spots. How it works for a guy in Kentucky or Spain or even Germany does nothing for me, it is how it works in my area under my conditions is what I am really wanting to know.
I have heard enough feedback from the testers to know that I want to try one.
When I do I will take the time to do some comparisons with my other units and post some videos.
Now we just need to wait for this unit to hit the market and get into the hands of the masses

 

[Captain Silver]

I'm curious if there is any detector that can find silver 9 out of 10 hunts in pounded ground?

With a competent user running the detector, FBS Minelabs and BBS Sovereigns. Assuming there's not too many steel bottlecaps in the ground, F75's and T2's can also accomplish this. On all but the deepest coins, Omegas and AT Pro's can bring home the goods 7-8 times out of 10 in these parts...The only machine above I haven't personally used for silver hunting is the AT Pro, but I've hunted alongside one dozens of times and I know it's capabilities.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

A brief synopsis of my Impact detecting experiences.
Some sites using stock coil no finds were found,,and I know at least what units I had had in these sites,,and what was discovered in these sites by myself.

Some sites using stock coil made finds,,and larger iron was usually I think the why behind why these were missed. Every single find by careful exploration had something wrong with it from a detecting perspective.

Using smallest coil,,most of my sites produced finds using it.
Higher percentage vs stock coil use age.

One thing I noticed the finds made were normally in the most challenged parts of the sites I detected,,,definitely a pattern was established.

Smaller coil used in cleaner ground produced very little.

Now remember most of these sites hunted by at least me,,some of them hunted by other folks,,I know I think all other detectorists and the detectors they use except for this one site.

I can take Impact to a certain kind of site and intentionally make it look bad or not as good from a find's perspective.
I can do the same thing with a Minelab CTX.

My goal when testing was to try and see what the real strengths of this detector were moreso when compared to some other mighty fine units.

Each and every model metal detector has its place here on earth.
Based on price,, a person should expect a certain level of performance when the detector is gauged overall with its performance.
This means in different kinds of sites with varying amounts of history.

 

[Cherry Picker]

There you have it. The simple questions I've asked, asked by others. I'm not trying to be a smart-A or put down anyone or any machine I'm simply asking what I feel are legitimate questions. There is a huge silent majority that get ignored because they are silent. Me not being one of those silent ones is what gets me in trouble from those with no answers.

I'm sure the Impact is a fine detector. I mean I loved my Racer 2 and I'm sure the Impact is just as good and MAYBE better. How are we to know if we should invest our hard earned money on a detector that, in my opinion, has yet to be proven anything more than another detector. That is not a put down of the Impact but simply the truth. I've bought too many lemons that were reviewed as cherries by the canned testers.

I'm not impressed by the nail thing, been there done that with my DFX and have the video. I'm not impressed by the dig a hole and toss in a coin, been there done that, found it pretty useless.

All I ask is why haven't we seen these, testers, do the test that everyone wants to see and hear about? Take that darn Impact to a well hunted out site and show me the money. I don't want to be fed an opinion by someone who may have other motives, I want to see it in action. How am I to know it is not just another detector until I see the proof for myself. This should be at any good testers top list yet we see nothing. Just a lot of talk.

Your detector will sell like hotcakes if you can show us the money. Not a lot of talk about what it has, we have already heard all that months ago. If your detector is as good as we hope it is it will pull those goods from the hard hit sites we all have stashed away waiting for the right detector. I know I have them. But I have yet to see proof of anything more than another detector.

And the reason why the E-Trac is as popular as it is, is because it will show you the money. Plenty of videos to back its ability. I have personally taken the E-Trac to hard hit hunted sites and pulled the goods. That is all we want to see and your new detector will rock.

 

[choppadude]

I'm curious if there is any detector that can find silver 9 out of 10 hunts in pounded ground?

I am not sure I get those kind of numbers but I can say that I find silver approx. %70 of the time I go out. This is probably due to the fact that I go to public spots where the silver IS there it just needs uncovered. I have used the Minelabs and the AT Pro in these spots and still consistently pull the silver. I have recently put the Deus to the test on coin hunting and have been pleasantly surprised by it. And I was the guy saying that it was not well suited for coin hunting! I was wrong. It will find coins, it just needs a different approach that what I use when relic hunting. Granted I have to work at it but that it half the fun.
Also instead of just digging the target as soon as it notifies me, I like to change my settings and try it again, maybe even change the direction or sweep speed. Once you dig a target you can learn nothing more about its effect on your detector so I try to squeeze every bit of info out of the machine BEFORE I retrieve the target.
I love doing comparisons and usually do not find one unit incredibly better than the other but rather one unit is better suited for one type of target of hunting and the other suited for another. There are ALOT of great detectors out there but the sheer numbers make it hard for the normal guy to experience them all. Until then we will have to put our faith in the guys who have used them and see if we can apply them to our applications.

 

[Trashman]

I wait on you

I can see the point some guys are making. Seeing is believing. I know TNSS goes into much detail and some if hard to grasp due to the sheer volume of info. Some guys are just the hands on type.
I am already planning on getting an Impact just to see how it stacks up against my other units. Granted it is hard to take several detectors to a spot and then run each one over a suspected target. THEN one would need to change settings and do it again and again and again. Pretty boring for the tester but the info revealed can only help one to learn the machine, its limits and where it may excel.
All the nail board test in the world will not answer the age old question, will this unit detect deep or masked targets in MY spots. How it works for a guy in Kentucky or Spain or even Germany does nothing for me, it is how it works in my area under my conditions is what I am really wanting to know.
I have heard enough feedback from the testers to know that I want to try one.
When I do I will take the time to do some comparisons with my other units and post some videos.
Now we just need to wait for this unit to hit the market and get into the hands of the masses

I'll be waiting on your reviews!
I've never heard you say anything that could be considered !!!!!!!! in any fashion by your posts!
I just wish every poster would follow your lead!
Guess I'm a "Choppa-fan" lol

 

[Captain Silver]

It would be very interesting to see a loaner Impact passed around, people getting to run it for a couple, 3 weeks in home dirt and then sending it on to the next person to run in their hunt spots...this would probably help answer a lot of our questions. Most of us can tell in a short time frame of use if a machine is a winner, a dog or just average.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Where were the Etrac videos shown pre release date???
Or the CTX??
Or the V3i??
Or the Deus??
Oh we did see a quarter in a banana with one didn't we.

 

[choppadude]

There you have it. The simple questions I've asked, asked by others. I'm not trying to be a smart-A or put down anyone or any machine I'm simply asking what I feel are legitimate questions. There is a huge silent majority that get ignored because they are silent. Me not being one of those silent ones is what gets me in trouble from those with no answers.

I'm sure the Impact is a fine detector. I mean I loved my Racer 2 and I'm sure the Impact is just as good and MAYBE better. How are we to know if we should invest our hard earned money on a detector that, in my opinion, has yet to be proven anything more than another detector. That is not a put down of the Impact but simply the truth. I've bought too many lemons that were reviewed as cherries by the canned testers.

I'm not impressed by the nail thing, been there done that with my DFX and have the video. I'm not impressed by the dig a hole and toss in a coin, been there done that, found it pretty useless.

All I ask is why haven't we seen these, testers, do the test that everyone wants to see and hear about? Take that darn Impact to a well hunted out site and show me the money. I don't want to be fed an opinion by someone who may have other motives, I want to see it in action. How am I to know it is not just another detector until I see the proof for myself. This should be at any good testers top list yet we see nothing. Just a lot of talk.

Your detector will sell like hotcakes if you can show us the money. Not a lot of talk about what it has, we have already heard all that months ago. If your detector is as good as we hope it is it will pull those goods from the hard hit sites we all have stashed away waiting for the right detector. I know I have them. But I have yet to see proof of anything more than another detector.

And the reason why the E-Trac is as popular as it is, is because it will show you the money. Plenty of videos to back its ability. I have personally taken the E-Trac to hard hit hunted sites and pulled the goods. That is all we want to see and your new detector will rock.

I have to agree here. No "Test" just a video of the unit in a real world hunt. Don't get me wrong, I love all the info that is out there but at the end of the day it is what is in your pouch that will tell you whether you have a winner or not. I am not sure why none of the testers have taken this road but am sure there are many more like us that want to see the unit used the way WE would use it and in the sites that WE detect at.
I am hoping at least a few of the testers will do this. If not they can always send us their unit and let one of us put the info out there. I have a park with some deeeep silver hiding waiting for the right detector to show it to me LOL!

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Some testers have done some videos,.
They can be viewed on other forums.

Saying this not meant to send folks way from this forum.
Now I can't vouch for the quality of these videos,,or even if they show folks here what they want to see.
But they are out there.
One video was done I know,,by a tester,,and the Impact depth meter was a little whacky,,it can be seen on treasurenet,,you will see where I commented the Impact was lacking the needed update to correct depth meter reading.

 

[Cherry Picker]

Where were the Etrac videos shown pre release date???
Or the CTX??
Or the V3i??
Or the Deus??
Oh we did see a quarter in a banana with one didn't we.

Exactly tnsharpshooter. who got these pre release machines that should have been doing the videos? It would have been the very first thing I would have done. Perhaps this is partly why using the same old testers is only impressing their cheering section and not the vast silent majority?

Well said choppadude. I'm not sure why Nokta got so defensive right of the bat just for giving what apparently is a popular thought. How about some real tests by testers. Wouldn't that be grand! Not the typical throw a coin in a freshly dug hole, but a true to life hunt in the wild. You know, sort of as if a real hunt might go.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Exactly tnsharpshooter. who got these pre release machines that should have been doing the videos? It would have been the very first thing I would have done. Perhaps this is partly why using the same old testers is only impressing their cheering section and not the vast silent majority?

Actually the detectors listed above,,really not any performance data shared period before release.

I expect to see the same folks here over in these models detectors posting and a ranting about no data or video before release.

I mean the motto by some seems is save us from the Impact.

I wish someone would have saved me from the MX sport.
I bought it and actually gave it away,,and even paid the shipping to a gent in need.
I just got tired of all the beating around the bush,,this and that.
My confidence was lacking,,so I figured if I got rid of,,I wouldn't have to look at it or talk about it.

 

[Cherry Picker]

I couldn't agree more tnsharshooter. This is where Nokta can rise above the rest. They already have gone beyond what most detector manufacturers will, so make that last big leap and show us what the Impact can really do. Or not do whichever the case may be. That is all that is being asked.

Its like me being asked to spend a lot of money on a guitar based only on the review of a tester. He can tell me it has 2 volume knobs, 2 tone knobs, a bridge and frets, but the real sale comes from hearing and seeing it in action for myself. Is that too much to ask? I already know what all the stuff on there does, I want to see and hear the results.