Nokta Impact information

[tnsharpshooter]

There is a difference between saying the best detector for the money and a good detectors for the money. I don't ever remember saying it was the best for the money. I do remember saying it was a good detector for the money and maybe the best I'd had for the money. How could I possible make the claim it is the best for the money when there are many I have never tried?

Starting my own thread does little to call you out on the BS that is meant to mislead those with less experience. Would you like me to quote how many times you suggested the Impact was as good or better than the Deus and F75?

You were fine just informing people what options the Impact has. When the trouble started was insinuating it was capable of keeping up with machines like the Deus and F75. And then when asked why you have all this plethora of information about how well it does when hunting, but no video, your pathetic answer is not knowing how to use a $25 camera or editing it. What's to edit. You take the video and if it real you put it on the site.

Talk all you want about what any detector has and I'll keep my posts to myself. Start insinuating BS and I'll be the first to call you out. Let's see those videos to backup those "nuisance target" claims. Talk is cheap. Surely one of the other testers has a video camera to back these claims up?

Your description posts were great and very informative. For that I thank you.

Put up and I'll shut up LOL.

See post 200,, here you say:
I found the Makro Racer 2 to be one of the most exceptional machines on the market FOR THE MONEY.

Yes in some instances depending on detecting scenario,,Impact can outperform Deus and F75 any series detector.

Gotta watch that small coil in action,,,stock coil on Impact outperforms F75 with stock coil any series on separation and unmasking and beats DST models for depth on both clad and silver US dimes.

There will be some targets heavily masked Deus will detect,,but user will not know the conductivity level of target,,,using smaller coil on Impact some of these same targets will yield a rather accurate ID for how difficult they are masked.

In bigger iron and some other highly crippled targets Impact will outperform Deus.

There were instances too,where Deus outperformed Impact on some targets(not depth related either).

I didn't realize a camera was a necessity for being a good tester and reporting information on performance.

Time will tell,,and folks will see.

Too bad will never here from you on the new Impact,,it's performance.

A footnote here.
All of my comments thus far when referring to Xp Deus in this thread,,refer to Deus version 3.2.
Remember version 4.0 Deus has been released since starting this thread and testing Impact.

If I add any more posts here,,,they will be in reference to Deus version 4.0.

 

[Cherry Picker]

I found the Makro Racer 2 to be one of the most exceptional machines on the market FOR THE MONEY.

And out of that you quoted me saying it was the best detector for the money. <--- get my point?


Look tnsharpshooter, I got nothing personally against you or the Nokta people. Everyone here knows I've been calling people out for years when I feel misleading information is being spread. Heck I did the same for the AT Pro and now look. My doubts were obviously wrong. If it turns out the same with the Impact, which I hope it does, then I will be the first to admit I was wrong. Intentional or accidental I don't know I just felt I needed to point it out. I do find it hard to believe this detector "in some cases" will out perform the Deus and F75. The only case I can think of is if the Deus or F75 user was new and had no idea how to use it LOL.

Time will tell,,and folks will see.

Here we agree 100%. Time will tell. Seems to me when the first Racer came out there was the same insinuations of it being as good or better than the Deus and other high end machines. Look where it is today.

I have never used the Impact so of course you have the experience I lack. I'm basing my opinion strictly on specs and functionality. In my opinion all I've seen so far is another foreign mid range detector. At the higher end of the specturm than the Red Racer but yet I expect to see little difference betwen it and the Racer 2. Which is a fine detector, but nowhere near the performance and abilities of the Deus or F75.

I do believe you're honestly looking out for the best interests of the people here at FMDF. That's all I'm trying to do.

I still respect your opinion. Have a good night.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

And out of that you quoted me saying it was the best detector for the money. <--- get my point?


Look tnsharpshooter, I got nothing personally against you or the Nokta people. Everyone here knows I've been calling people out for years when I feel misleading information is being spread. Heck I did the same for the AT Pro and now look. Intentional or accidental I don't know I just felt I needed to point it out. I do find it hard to believe this detector "in some cases" will out perform the Deus and F75. The only case I can think of is if the Deus or F75 user was new and had no idea how to use it LOL.

Time will tell,,and folks will see.

Here we agree 100%. Time will tell. Seems to me when the first Racer came out there was the same insinuations of it being as good or better than the Deus and other high end machine.

I have never used the Impact so of course you have theexperience I lack. I'm basing my opinion strictly on specs and functionality. In my opinion all I've seen so far is another foreign mid range detector. At the higher end of the specturm than the Red Racer but yet I expect to see little difference betwen it and the Racer 2. Which is a fine detector, but nowhere near the performance and abilities of the Deus or F75.

I still respect your opinion. Have a good night.

When we compare detectors,,would the detectors wearing their factory coils be the right thing to do???
That smallest coil for Impact is only 4" wide,,you already know Racer 1 and Racer 2 does better in heavier iron than F75 wearing small stock coil.
So now another coil even narrower is in the mix and a higher frequency.
What does this equate to for Impact vs F75 ???
I'll let you guess.

Now stock Impact coil is 7" wide and Deus smallest is 9" wide,,,I have seen quite a few occasions where a find was boxed in by big iron,,and the Impact and stock coil could detect,,,Deus wouldn't.

I even seen a White's V3i tested in a couple scenarios vs Impact,,,both detectors wearing shooter coils,,,here's what happened, the White's could in fact detect the finds,,,but it took the operator a lonnnng time to get it set up to do,,with Impact all I did is turn it on and GB. One note here,,with the V3i set up to actually detect these targets,,,I can't say how much it's depth capability was compromised. I do know the configuration the Impqct was set up to detect these targets,,,it was still depth capable to around 6.5-7" here in my soil on coin sized targets.
I did like the best achievable signal(tone) provided by the Impact vs the White's detector in these few cases. The V3i owner didn't have stock coil with him or we would have compared on some deeper targets.

Very hard to saturate the smallest 4x7.5" coil of Impact,,,a lot of iron can exist under the toes of coil and it will still detect,,,20khz here seems is the best at doing.

I have looked,,used and tested Impact hard.

Some thing else notable here.
For whatever reason,,,Impact from a freq perspective,,the way the detector reacts it seems a very good balancing act takes place with coils.

What do I mean by this??
Xp Deus seems to be geared more to 18khz from a freq perspective.
White's V3i seems to be geared more to the 7.5 kHz.

With Impact I really can't tell.
Now based on freq used targets based on their conductivity do react differently to the different freqs when selected.

Users of Impact running smallest coil,,,don't be surprised to make some good finds at depths of 2"-4" in already hard hunted sites where trash and iron and nails are present.
The shallowness of some of your finds,,,will blow your mind,,,to think you've been sweeping over,,walking over in the past.
Some targets previously you may have detected with other detectors,,but were given a junk target ID and didn't dig,,,some of these same targets Impact may very well give you an ID you just won't pass up.

My 1916 merc recovery in that church yard,,one I will never forget using that smallest coil. To know how hard that site had been busted by others,,even by me,,put a real smile on my face. To my knowledge that was the first silver coin to come from this site in 5 years.

 

[Nokta Detectors]

When I made the suggestion about using the same old lame testers you got on your high horse about these jokers who only a limited number of people put any weight behind their reviews. No, no chance that perhaps I had a legit suggestion about your testers. It was an instant throw out lame excuses why you use the testers you do.


Good luck to you and yours. I know where I stand.[/QUOTE]

When we started to get into the USA market, I decided to follow the forums. I had no idea who was who. The first machine that I wanted to get tested was the Fors Gold and I asked for a name on a couple of forums and many people directed me to Steve Herschbach. He made it very clear that he would just share the truth with people and I said no problem... this is how our involvement began with testers in the USA a few years ago. Then came the other names - all by suggestion.

Now- Impact was tested by 8 persons in the USA - some of these guys had never tested a product before and they were using other competitive models and that is why they were picked. Another name was given to me as a hardcore coin hunter and members suggested that we send a unit to him as well and I did. We are thousands of miles away yet we try our best to be close to the USA customers. We are trying our best to listen to customers but it is getting to the point where I feel that good deeds are being punished.

Whether I pick Mr X or Mr Y, it looks like there will always be people criticizing them. In regards to my defending the testers - I would do that for you, for John Doe or whomever as we respect work and effort. Some of these people have been using the product since October and reporting almost every single day. We have made many updates based on their work and feedbacks and the product is in production now with software version 1.11 – meaning 11 updates were made based on field tests let alone the mechanical improvements . Now you want me to turn my back on them and let people slander them? If they are helping us to bring out a good detector that will benefit many others, it is my job to give them the credit they deserve and respect the work they put into testing.

Anyway, I believe we will get nowhere with this discussion. If you have a tester name that you can guarantee where all members of this forum will never question, share it with me as we are very confident about the product. By the way, once again, thank you for the good luck wishes but as I mentioned before, we never leave our success to luck. That is why we try our best to come out with products that will speak for themselves.

Thank you!

 

[Nokta Detectors]

Choppadude!
Don't know him never -I don't believe- commented on his posts!
Only real review that ever so true I seen of racer on web forums!

Well, I can get in touch with the gentleman but how will I know that he will not be criticized as being biased just like all the others? It sounds like as long as a tester says good things about a device, there will always be people doubting them. Maybe I should have a poll run for candidates and pick a new one accordingly or maybe it is best that we just let the actual buyers speak. It is not an easy to task to please all but we keep on trying. Thank you by the way for the suggestion.

 

[DigDugNY]

Well, I can get in touch with the gentleman but how will I know that he will not be criticized as being biased just like all the others? It sounds like as long as a tester says good things about a device, there will always be people doubting them. Maybe I should have a poll run for candidates and pick a new one accordingly or maybe it is best that we just let the actual buyers speak. It is not an easy to task to please all but we keep on trying. Thank you by the way for the suggestion.

Nokta, there are plenty of people on the forums that back what you are doing. The only reason that negativity spreads in threads/posts is that everybody wants to get a word in and nothing actually gets solved or people do not fully understand what is being said. I for one love the fact that you had many testers for the impact AND let them share their thoughts throughout this process. I used their results and findings, plus my own general interest of wanting to try a Nokta detector, that I ordered an impact for myself. If for some reason it doesn't suit me, that's on me, not the testers or you. Just want you to know to keep doing what you are doing.

 

[choppadude]

Well, I can get in touch with the gentleman but how will I know that he will not be criticized as being biased just like all the others? It sounds like as long as a tester says good things about a device, there will always be people doubting them. Maybe I should have a poll run for candidates and pick a new one accordingly or maybe it is best that we just let the actual buyers speak. It is not an easy to task to please all but we keep on trying. Thank you by the way for the suggestion.

I just wanted to chime in here since my name was brought up. I do appreciate the mention and can see both side to this issue.
These days it is hard to know if you are getting the correct info you are looking for or if you are being influenced by people with an agenda. Other times it just seems like your senses are being overloaded with information.
I have in the past had heated discussions with those I thought were over hyping a product. or had and agenda. I even purchased said product to see if the info out there was really accurate. What I found was the end unit did not meet the hype. Was it a good product? yes, it was BUT my expectations were set so high that what was there did not excite me. What I did find though was the Makro company did stand behind there product and any issue I had was resolved immediately. I had the coil ear issue and with one email I had a new coil arrive from Turkey to my doorstep in the US in less than a week! It was this service that helped in my decision to purchase a Racer2. With this unit there was nowhere near the hype and when I got it I found that there were many improvements made. Many of the same improvements that I had seen suggested on the forums! That right there told me that this company really had an open ear to the end user.
I have to say that I have eagerly read almost all the info from many of the US testers and am excited to see what is coming with the Impact.

I really think that Nokta played this testing very well. They got this machine out there to many different people and got a ton of feedback.Not just the big guys but also some of the lesser known guys that you see on the forums every day. They then used that feedback to improve the machine. To me this in a WIN/WIN, The company gets to increase sales and detectorist get a machine that has the latest up to date improvements and technology that THEY want. I have to agree with others, you just do not see that kind of relationships between the other big name manufactures and their customers.
Many here know I am a guy who likes to use different machines in different situations and have never been excited enough to stick to just one brand. I will say that an Impact is in my future. You would have to be crazy NOT to try new technology and approaches. That is a treasure in and of itself!
Good luck to Nokta, I hope you hit a home run with this one and it spurs other manufactures to up their game.

 

[Nokta Detectors]

A HUGE THANK YOU - coming from me personally as well as on behalf of my team. We really owe where we are to you guys. If it was not for the support of our customers and encouraging messages such as these, we would not have the passion and the desire to give you the best you deserve!

THANK YOU!

 

[Cherry Picker]

Now wipe your noses off.

I wish you all the best and we'll keep this thread handy for reference next year. If I'm wrong I'll be the first to apologize. Will you?

Oh and tnsharpshooter, just for your records, I can put a small coil on my DFX and out hunt an F75 in a trashy site. So no, it wasn't a fair test.

I prefer to prove my statements with videos so people can make up their own minds. Here is the so highly praised small coil on my Racer in heavy iron. It was beat by every other large coil I tried. So much for the testers review.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Just so folks here understand.

I have witnessed this using quite a few models detectors.

Due to the way coils are designed and their different sizes,,,sometimes due to the detecting scenario ( nails,etc around a nonferrous target),,when hunting a site using a smaller coil,,,if one uses a smaller coil could a person assume after the site is hunted is all the depth detectable actually located using the smaller coil??
The answer is not likely.
A person could indeed place a bigger coil on the same detector and rehunt the site and make additional finds,,some shallow as well ( these targets were in the depth detectable ranges of previous smaller coil).

This process here works vice versa as well,,,hunting the the larger coil,,and then go in and make finds using smaller coil.

Now some but not all of the targets discovered using each coil size(s) if head to heads are done,,,some will actually be detected by both ( after you know exactly where the target is).

The coil winding fields cause this,,there different spatial relationships as size is changed.

Remember a person needs to be alerted to a target to investigate.

Using different coils sizes,,the audio alerting a person to a suspect target can be quite different when in an actual hunting scenario where one is sweeping or moving their coil around.

I have even seen this when using Xp Deus when using both the 9 and 11" coils hunting a site.

And yes even the Impact.

Folks should also remember,,the what I call hot spot (or coil spot of detection) this spot can be extremely small for a nonferrous find to be alerted on to the user.
Even the smaller 4x7.5" coil users will undoubtably eventually witness this with continual use hunting in sites.

Don't let the coil's footprint drive you coil progression here,,more like 10-15% of the coils fore to aft length,,a good guide,,,doing this will allow Impact to sniff out the goods in sites with heavy iron,and yes even modern trash.

Bearing down in sites loaded with iron and modern trash,,will be a slow process,,a lot slower than when hunting area less dense with nuasiance targets and ferrous materials.

I fully expect for purchases of Impact to need a warming up period to their units,,and I also feel once folks get accustomed to their units,,,they will experience very same or similar experiences I have with this unit.

I don't have mid sized coil,,will be purchasing,,and yes will be putting it to the soil.
Will be reporting on it too,,I think it just may be a real tool to help unlock some more additional finds in sites,,,even some hard hunted sites.

Folks here should also realize when I received Impact for testing,,I had no manual,,all Inreally had to go on was my experience with running other detectors,,even some of the previous released Makro and Nokta products.
My Deus experience I think paid huge dividends for me here too.

Yes this thread will be here,,,I hope it stays here.
I wandered around with Impact for some 150 hours actually using in real live hunts. I got a good bird's eye view of what it is very capable of. I hunted very few sites using it where the sites where deemed virgin or little hunted.

Dilek you are welcome,,sorry for the delay in responding.
I learned a great deal with this TESTING of Impact.

My sincere goal with this thread was NOT to promote Impact detector.
But to shed light on some of its capabilities,,to give folks some accurate data in which to consider if they are wanting a new detector for whatever reasons.

Also this thread I wanted to be a thread with info,,,that would I hoped would cut folks learning curves,,especially for detectorists with little or no detecting experience.

We'll see hopefully in the future if my wishes here come true.

I will enjoy reading purchasers feedback on use of the Impact.

 

[wisconsinwalter]

My first post on this forum as I tend to stay away from forums due to this very argumentative thread. I called my dealer who is a well known Deus user to purchase a Deus, he used the Impact against Deus and for some targets the Impact saw them and the Deus didn't.

I will tell you who he was in a PM since i am not sure if he was a tester or just at a hunt where a crazy number of buttons were found and was comparing the F75, Deus and impact.

 

[Cherry Picker]

Welcome from Dodge City wisconsinwalter.

Hum, first post and your knee deep in the thread. Coincidence?

Good info tnsharpshooter.

I will enjoy reading purchasers feedback on use of the Impact.

Yes as will I. Will it be the next E-Trac or another red Racer? Only time, and money, will tell LOL.

OK I've spoke my piece. Brownnose away but rest assured I will revive this post when the real life results start coming in from average users.

 

[wisconsinwalter]

Welcome from Dodge City wisconsinwalter.

Hum, first post and your knee deep in the thread. Coincidence?

Good info tnsharpshooter.

Yes as will I. Will it be the next E-Trac or another red Racer? Only time, and money, will tell LOL.

OK I've spoke my piece. Brownnose away but rest assured I will revive this post when the real life results start coming in from average users.

Not knee deep, Not a newbie, just relaying my decision to purchase. Why does that bother you? Seems like you don't like to hear competing opinions.

I will be happy to send results from WI, we detect there as well.

 

[Cherry Picker]

Not knee deep, Not a newbie, just relaying my decision to purchase. Why does that bother you? Seems like you don't like to hear competing opinions.

Not at all wisconsinwalter. I'm just not a real fan of sock puppets or worms whose agenda is to try and make another posters opinion sound more legit. Ya know what they say. The truth is easy to prove. A fib takes a bit more effort.

I will be happy to send results from WI, we detect there as well.

Fantastic! I really prefer a video as apposed to just saying the world is flat and expecting me to agree. I don't know, it's just this thing I have about facts that tend to make it tough for some to prove their claims.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Not at all wisconsinwalter. I'm just not a real fan of sock puppets or worms whose agenda is to try and make another posters opinion sound more legit. Ya know what they say. The truth is easy to prove. A fib takes a bit more effort.

Fantastic! I really prefer a video as apposed to just saying the world is flat and expecting me to agree. I don't know, it's just this thing I have about facts that tend to make it tough for some to prove their claims.

Detector,
I am notifying admin.
You have crossed the line here.
This is my thread,,and I don't appreciate name calling,and such.
This is pitiful conduct on your part.
Get your act together and fast.

 

[wisconsinwalter]

Not at all wisconsinwalter. I'm just not a real fan of sock puppets or worms whose agenda is to try and make another posters opinion sound more legit. Ya know what they say. The truth is easy to prove. A fib takes a bit more effort.

Fantastic! I really prefer a video as apposed to just saying the world is flat and expecting me to agree. I don't know, it's just this thing I have about facts that tend to make it tough for some to prove their claims.

of course I will provide a video. we find artifacts that are 1000's of years old opposed to american coins. nothing wrong with coins but the values are not there for me.

but remember, not everyone hunts in manicured parks.

 

[Captain Silver]

My take on this...only one machine given to a hardcore coin hunter to test...yet I bet for a majority of people that detect, looking for older coins in a park or schoolyard is their only option. The machine wasn't tested by the right group of hunters, but by detecting forum yes-men, book sellers and youtube video gods. There, I said it...Here's what matters to me and the silent majority...can this Impact pull silver from a 100 year old urban park with moderate soil? Would I be able to take one and run it thru places I've pounded with Fisher/Tek and Minelab machines, places also hunted by everyone else...with every machine ever made in the last 40 years...and come home with silver 9 hunts out of 10? Prove that is possible and there will be a waiting list to buy one.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Users of Impact some more helpful info.

This will tie in to some things I have already said in this thread.

When sweeping,,being able to interpret target ID vdi wise,,how accurate or believable it really is,,is key to becoming all you can be with this particular detector.

Some things to pay attention too.
Let's say you are hunting an old site with some modern trash,,and your wishes are not to dig the junk targets.

As you sweep,,and while rotating around target,,,how steady does the TID report??
Is there any iron volume trying to roll in real fast as the coil is passed over target??

Now I have already stated previously,,a target found in either using 14khz, or 20 kHz,,a person can toggle to 5khz,,and can at times be able to make a very good odds on bet of the quality of metal a target is before digging.

Remember though this using 5khz is not fool proof,,,see the 2 questions above.

For solo sitting targets of poorer quality metals,,,yes you flip to 5khz and you see lower 40s readings and even lower readings vdi wise,,,a very good chance of a junk target,,,be it a zincoln penny,,twist cap, can slaw, etc.

Now folks need to understand most good quality metal solo sitting targets,,,will read 59 plus when using 5khz,,,but what about targets that report in say the middle here,,,like using 5khz and report 46-58??
These targets a lot of times will either be real worn coins possibly,,,and can be desirable mid conductive targets,,,medium to large brass,,lead, etc.
It is your choice on whether to dig these.

Now hunting in sites where fill dirt has been introduced making targets generally deeper,,,this info above,,,much harder to apply and get similar same results.
Very possible for some can slaw,,twist caps in the 8" plus depth ranges to give higher than normal vdi readings.

Overall though,,if folks will apply and use tools Impact provides using different freqs,,and take advantage of the non normalized vdi settings capabilities,,,a person can sure limit the junk they dig.

But always keep in mind,,this whole process here can be skewed by masking caused by ferrous and nonferrous materials when it comes to trying to locate worthier targets made of higher quality metals.

Depth meter too can play a part in some of your calculations.

Folks who purchase Impact,,if you will be deliberate in checking your targets you will start to see a pattern I think that will aid you immensely in your quest for finding better targets.

 

[Donsell]

Would I be able to take one and run it thru places I've pounded with Fisher/Tek and Minelab machines, places also hunted by everyone else...with every machine ever made in the last 40 years...and come home with silver 9 hunts out of 10? Prove that is possible and there will be a waiting list to buy one.

I'm curious if there is any detector that can find silver 9 out of 10 hunts in pounded ground?

 

[tnsharpshooter]

My take on this...only one machine given to a hardcore coin hunter to test...yet I bet for a majority of people that detect, looking for older coins in a park or schoolyard is their only option. The machine wasn't tested by the right group of hunters, but by detecting forum yes-men, book sellers and youtube video gods. There, I said it...Here's what matters to me and the silent majority...can this Impact pull silver from a 100 year old urban park with moderate soil? Would I be able to take one and run it thru places I've pounded with Fisher/Tek and Minelab machines, places also hunted by everyone else...with every machine ever made in the last 40 years...and come home with silver 9 hunts out of 10? Prove that is possible and there will be a waiting list to buy one.

You make some good points.

I notice you have been running smaller coil on your explorer hunting in the woods.
Do you think you missed any coins by using,,even some shallower ones??
I guarantee you have.

Would Impact have found??
Maybe

Hunting behind another detector using another detector,,,can be difficult.
The detecting scenario has to be met for the latter and not be met for the former.

Take the Deus,,it was never bragged about as a depth demon.
Have you noticed the finds being had with them??
Why??

Now I am not saying Impact is exactly like a Deus detector,,,but it is closer to a Deus than it is a Minelab performance wise.

Cellar holes,,,give me Impact,,I'll leave my CTX at home.

Some folks obviously can't afford to buy every detector model and use.
And yes some sites by the way they are layed out with trash,,iron and nails,,every detector made has strengths and weaknesses here.

I use my CTX,,Deus,and even the Impact.

I let my sites dictate by both detecting history and what they have in them on detector decision.

And yes some finds probaby could be found with a $200 detector.

One of the reasons I feel the Deus has seemed to come on strong in the last year or so,,,,a lot of sites (turf hunting) have already been busted pretty hard with FBS 1 and 2 units,,,so the Deus goes in and breaks the lock so to speak on some of these good coins, etc

There are sites I have to detect,,I would quickly grab my CTX and hunt and be satisfied.

There are sites I would grab one of my Deus setups and would be satisfied.

And there are sites I would grab my Impact and be satisfied.

Now some folks hunt parks mainly,,,some hunt old houses,,some hunt fields,,some hunt beaches,,some hunt cellar holes, etc.

I wish there was one detector that would find all coins every make and denomination,,,just buy the detector and a few coils and life would be good.

We are not here yet though,,,I know this for certain.