Member here Savannah Harps finds a real nice ring on beach.

[tnsharpshooter]

I look at this deus 2 and water hunting like this.
Xp has offered a product that is waterproof and stable (useable in salt water).

So folks have at least one more choice to choose from.

Not like the other manufacturers have made perfect detectors for beach hunting.

Buy what you want and use what you want. Real simple. This part hasn’t changed.

One thing the Deus 2 ain’t is a one trick pony.

 

[Cfmct]

I look at this deus 2 and water hunting like this.
Xp has offered a product that is waterproof and stable (useable in salt water).

So folks have at least one more choice to choose from.

Not like the other manufacturers have made perfect detectors for beach hunting.

Buy what you want and use what you want. Real simple. This part hasn’t changed.

One thing the Deus 2 ain’t is a one trick pony.

The Minelab Excalibur is a stable deep beach machine... when you are over gold you know it with that smooth round tone...


Another thing the Deus isn't is a set it and forget it detector... I'm hearing how many have to continue to tweak it push them buttons... that is a big turn off...

 

[Surf Master]

My 2 cents

Passing on this machine , my point of view is , # 1 For the money you spend on this VLF , it should be flawless in salt water, # 2 should have come with a telescopic CF entire shaft , antenna inside the CF shaft , #3 Less buttons to tweak on the beach , #4 I give Deus credit for getting into salt water beach hunting game , but the charging port on the coil should be eliminated & some way to charge the coil should be in -line , maybe trashing the charge port all together , or not having a battery in the coil at all , say on the HF coil the battery is up inside the shaft , they could make a similar set up on the Deus 2 , along with ALL the Deus1 coils . #5 In my opinion , there will be a Deus 3 come around , improved , when the D2 stops selling with improvements , its only been out a while , some more time to find out all the disappointments , will come by the end of the summer , however if its no good in salt water submerged , how will the future buyer know if the head doesn't & won't leak ., last is the warranty , a much more rock solid warranty without questions must happen , or the salt water hunter , won't be on the buyer list , hopeful that Deus listens & delivers , good luck to all the D2 users on the beach , happy hunting

 

[dewcon]

I look at this deus 2 and water hunting like this.
Xp has offered a product that is waterproof and stable (useable in salt water).

So folks have at least one more choice to choose from.

Not like the other manufacturers have made perfect detectors for beach hunting.

Buy what you want and use what you want. Real simple. This part hasn’t changed.

One thing the Deus 2 ain’t is a one trick pony.

Multi use is the now. People don’t want to pay for 3 different machines. Deus needed a waterproof machine. I knew several people who liked um for dirt hunting….. but wished it worked in the water. Fisher now needs to get their act together or they will join whites and others. Some hunters change machines like their underwear others like me is a wait and see the good bad and ugly….. and if it can replace what they are using.

 

[LongJohnSilver1]

The Minelab Excalibur is a stable deep beach machine... when you are over gold you know it with that smooth round tone...


Another thing the Deus isn't is a set it and forget it detector... I'm hearing how many have to continue to tweak it push them buttons... that is a big turn off...

I don't agree with that really, you can set the Deus 2 and leave it. It's got auto tracking.
It just means you're not getting the most depth out of it.

 

[Cfmct]

I don't agree with that really, you can set the Deus 2 and leave it. It's got auto tracking.
It just means you're not getting the most depth out of it.

That is not what I am hearing from a few I know...

Even one of these youtubers complaining he has to constantly play with the detector to get it to run smoothly... Paystreak guy I like watching him...

 

[diggindaboot]

That is not what I am hearing from a few I know...

Even one of these youtubers complaining he has to constantly play with the detector to get it to run smoothly... Paystreak guy I like watching him...

Serious question. How much beach hunting does Paystreak do ?

Re: constantly tweaking. That is one of the great things about the D2. The tweaks allow you to maximize the capabilities of the D2. Another thing, once you get it dialed in to different programs for different situations, you can save them and not have to tweak at all. Turn it on. Ground balance, choose your saved program and hunt. EZ PZ. The amount of overthinking baffles me.

 

[OBN]

Serious question. How much beach hunting does Paystreak do ?

Re: constantly tweaking. That is one of the great things about the D2. The tweaks allow you to maximize the capabilities of the D2. Another thing, once you get it dialed in to different programs for different situations, you can save them and not have to tweak at all. Turn it on. Ground balance, choose your saved program and hunt. EZ PZ. The amount of overthinking baffles me.

I think several, including me, are set in our ways. I see the D2 and I see unlimited adjustments, were as I see the machine I use (excal) .. turn it on, find a deep target, adjust one knob and go. (And I know that is as deep as it will go) Where as the D2 I will always think, am I getting the most from it?............I had the Whites DFX, that thing drove me crazy trying to figure out the best settings, I am afraid the D2 will be the same for me, intimidating.

Funny is, my mind keeps looking for excuses to buy one..

 

[diggindaboot]

I think several, including me, are set in our ways. I see the D2 and I see unlimited adjustments, were as I see the machine I use (excal) .. turn it on, find a deep target, adjust one knob and go. (And I know that is as deep as it will go) Where as the D2 I will always think, am I getting the most from it?............I had the Whites DFX, that thing drove me crazy trying to figure out the best settings, I am afraid the D2 will be the same for me, intimidating.

Funny is, my mind keeps looking for excuses to buy one..

I think it would be much easier for people if they would save their programs. Turn it on and go. After I had been in the hobby for 2 years, I was looking hard at a DFX. I wanted something for beach hunting. Then I started doing research and it freaked me out how people were talking about all the adjustments. Now having over 10 years experience, that doesn't intimidate me anymore.

One of my hunting buddies bought an 800 and an Excal at the same time. I tried it and compared it to my Nox. I knew it wasn't gonna be for me. For many, they've had so much success with an Excal. That's great in my book. It's just not for me.

My buddy got his D2 before me and he let me use it. After using it for a day, I had made up my mind I would sell mine when it arrived. Instead, I decided to give it a chance. One of the best detecting decisions I ever made.

 

[Cfmct]

I think several, including me, are set in our ways. I see the D2 and I see unlimited adjustments, were as I see the machine I use (excal) .. turn it on, find a deep target, adjust one knob and go. (And I know that is as deep as it will go) Where as the D2 I will always think, am I getting the most from it?............I had the Whites DFX, that thing drove me crazy trying to figure out the best settings, I am afraid the D2 will be the same for me, intimidating.

Funny is, my mind keeps looking for excuses to buy one..

I felt the same thing Joe... was gonna pull trigger on one but then a friend told me its deep in wet sand but not as deep as his other detectors in water... so I held back... would love to try it on my pounded sites.. but been thinking about getting a pulse instead... I'm not afraid of digging iron.. I started on a pulse...

 

[jmaclen]

I am a long-time Deus 1 owner. I tried to use Deus 1 and the ORX in saltwater beach wet sand......they were iffy at best with lots of adjustments and compromises required to settle them down just like with any single frequency VLF in salt conditions.

Deus 2 with its SMF tech for saltwater, fresh water, diving and for consistent target IDs almost down to the depth of detection is a huge improvement over Deus 1 and it keeps the outstanding ergonomics, iron handling and target separation abilities that Deus 1 already had.

I have not used a Deus 2 submerged in salt water yet, so I will have to defer to posters like itsaring, diggindaboot, basstrakerman, Beachhunt 1 and Savannah Harps for accurate information.

If they can run Beach Sensitive submerged at their locations....wow, since even on land Beach Sensitive is amazing.

If they are limited to just using the Diving program for saltwater stability in their area.........OBN and Cfmct may have a point.

That's the trouble with the "buy it if you like it, don't buy it if you don't" maxim. Trying it out is the only way to know what saltwater submerged program options one has.

Trying it out for most means buying it.

 

[Diga]

The funny thing is, if you go to any new detector's Facebook page (for their new flagship detector), you'll find a lot of posts that say, "I went to a site that's been pounded with other detectors and found X amount of coins. This detector is the best!!". It then makes you wonder about all the variables involved, including human psychology.

There is no new performance related technology in a D2. If there was, XP would have advertised the !!!! out of this "new technology", and patented it. About the same technology is being used in the D2, as the Nox, Atrex, Legend, or any other SMF detector. Although the Legend is currently hindered due to its high iron bias preset.

The only possible exception, is improvements in EMI noise reduction. Yes, the processor speed determines recovery speed, but even the 5 year old Nox, has a processor that is more than capable of handling the processing requirements. In other words, the processor speed hasn't been an issue for flagship detectors for at least 5 years now.

With all that said, the performance of the Nox and these new flagship detectors will be similar in most cases, based on how they are set up with their multiple settings, and provided they have a recovery speed control, and a manual iron bias control.

 

[Beachhunt1]

I am a long-time Deus 1 owner. I tried to use Deus 1 and the ORX in saltwater beach wet sand......they were iffy at best with lots of adjustments and compromises required to settle them down just like with any single frequency VLF in salt conditions.

Deus 2 with its SMF tech for saltwater, fresh water, diving and for consistent target IDs almost down to the depth of detection is a huge improvement over Deus 1 and it keeps the outstanding ergonomics, iron handling and target separation abilities that Deus 1 already had.

I have not used a Deus 2 submerged in salt water yet, so I will have to defer to posters like itsaring, diggindaboot, basstrakerman, Beachhunt 1 and Savannah Harps for accurate information.

If they can run Beach Sensitive submerged at their locations....wow, since even on land Beach Sensitive is amazing.

If they are limited to just using the Diving program for saltwater stability in their area.........OBN and Cfmct may have a point.

That's the trouble with the "buy it if you like it, don't buy it if you don't" maxim. Trying it out is the only way to know what saltwater submerged program options one has.

Trying it out for most means buying it.

I will get more use with the Deus 2 coming up. But so far, forget Beach Sensitive in water contact. Also, after some extensive testing we found the regular Beach Program beat the Beach Sensitive program in wet sand and Beach was also useable in my wave wash. This was on gold and non-ferrous targets. This maybe beach dependent. I have moderate black sand.

 

[Beachhunt1]

I think several, including me, are set in our ways. I see the D2 and I see unlimited adjustments, were as I see the machine I use (excal) .. turn it on, find a deep target, adjust one knob and go. (And I know that is as deep as it will go) Where as the D2 I will always think, am I getting the most from it?............I had the Whites DFX, that thing drove me crazy trying to figure out the best settings, I am afraid the D2 will be the same for me, intimidating.

Funny is, my mind keeps looking for excuses to buy one..

The Equinox has lots of adjustments too. Once you find out what works on your beach there are really very few adjustments to fuss with. I think finding the way to run your detector wide open is not a difficult task.

For example, when we worked with the Deus 2 it was on the 4th day when we released the machine to it's maximum performance. I do not consider this a difficult or daunting task. I am confident there are no other settings that will give me more. Now it is about understanding the language.

Once this is found, the only other settings to fuss with would be sensitivity to combat EMI and Black Sand. Frequency scans are now a part of daily life so that is not a factor.

A good detectorist knows how to maximize his machine. Most all of that definition does not require fussing with features all the time.

 

[jmaclen]

The Equinox has lots of adjustments too. Once you find out what works on your beach there are really very few adjustments to fuss with. I think finding the way to run your detector wide open is not a difficult task.

For example, when we worked with the Deus 2 it was on the 4th day when we released the machine to it's maximum performance. I do not consider this a difficult or daunting task. I am confident there are no other settings that will give me more. Now it is about understanding the language.

Once this is found, the only other settings to fuss with would be sensitivity to combat EMI and Black Sand. Frequency scans are now a part of daily life so that is not a factor.

A good detectorist knows how to maximize his machine. Most all of that definition does not require fussing with features all the time.

I was overwhelmed with the features on Deus 1 and even to some degree on the Equinox in the very beginning but I figured them out eventually and I am pretty dumb.

So, having all of the settings possibilities on Deus 2, Equinox and Legend are more of a plus than a minus in my opinion.

Having factory programs that work right out of the box with little or no adjustments on those detectors is great.

Detecting in challenging conditions like submerged saltwater with a very versatile detector like Deus 2, Equinox and Legend is great if they can handle the conditions easily. If they can't.............ugh!

 

[tnsharpshooter]

The funny thing is, if you go to any new detector's Facebook page (for their new flagship detector), you'll find a lot of posts that say, "I went to a site that's been pounded with other detectors and found X amount of coins. This detector is the best!!". It then makes you wonder about all the variables involved, including human psychology.

There is no new performance related technology in a D2. If there was, XP would have advertised the !!!! out of this "new technology", and patented it. About the same technology is being used in the D2, as the Nox, Atrex, Legend, or any other SMF detector. Although the Legend is currently hindered due to its high iron bias preset.

The only possible exception, is improvements in EMI noise reduction. Yes, the processor speed determines recovery speed, but even the 5 year old Nox, has a processor that is more than capable of handling the processing requirements. In other words, the processor speed hasn't been an issue for flagship detectors for at least 5 years now.

With all that said, the performance of the Nox and these new flagship detectors will be similar in most cases, based on how they are set up with their multiple settings, and provided they have a recovery speed control, and a manual iron bias control.

How do you know?
Fast multi freq (FMF) Ever heard of that before?
Besides since Xp seems didn’t apply for any patents this means they don’t have to disclose anything.
Oh and Deus 2 is first multi freq detector that has salt adjustability setting.
Oh and does Deus 2 operate in wet salt sand using higher freqs, than either Eqx or excal yet remain stable? If so. Then Xp has discovered something? Right.

Yeah.
Some folks think they can look at a detector and figure out the real deal. They don’t even have to use. Lol. Yeah totally laughable.

Just remember the release (debut video) of Deus 2 was short and said very little. Why? Maybe the owner of Xp knew exactly what was in the box and what it could do compared to other competitors models. Besides if he would have told us in the debut video who would have believed anyways?

 

[Diga]

How do you know?
Fast multi freq (FMF) Ever heard of that before? ///snip// blah blah blah

"FMF" is merely an advertising term used to try and make it look like the D2 has new technology. Just like the XP terms of "Silencer" (Iron Bias), and "Reactivity" (Recovery Speed). "Fast" in FMF means absolutely nothing. The speed at which a detector transmits and analyzes the target signal, is based on the processor speed, and even old processors are fast enough to do that extraordinarily well.

Go ahead and ask XP what new performance technology the D2 has. The answer will be crickets. Just like the crickets I received when asking XP to clarify their water intrusion warranty.

Furthermore, your comment of, "Oh and Deus 2 is first multi freq detector that has salt adjustability setting". Are you sure no other detector has that setting? Is such a setting needed? Does the Atrex have that setting? What about the Legend with its salt modes and its beach "Salt Stability" settings?

 

[tnsharpshooter]

"FMF" is merely an advertising term used to try and make it look like the D2 has new technology. Just like the XP terms of "Silencer" (Iron Bias), and "Reactivity" (Recovery Speed). "Fast" in FMF means absolutely nothing. The speed at which a detector transmits and analyzes the target signal, is based on the processor speed, and even old processors are fast enough to do that extraordinarily well.

Go ahead and ask XP what new performance technology the D2 has. The answer will be crickets. Just like the crickets I received when asking XP to clarify their water intrusion warranty.

Furthermore, your comment of, "Oh and Deus 2 is first multi freq detector that has salt adjustability setting". Are you sure no other detector has that setting? Is such a setting needed? Does the Atrex have that setting? What about the Legend with it's salt modes and it's beach "Salt Stability" settings?

The Legend got the salt adjustability setting after Deus 2 release. And why is it not as deep as Deus 2 in wet salt sand. Like you say just freq and power is used. Real simple right? Wrong!! Actually Legend with 11” coil would be doing well to keep up with Deus 2 with 9” coil in such environment.

Have you noticed.
There are some test done on top of the ground. 11” coil vs 11” coil. EQX fails and Deus 2 passes with flying colors. Why?

You think because a manufacturer didn’t flaunt their product with flowery tech names it is not better in any way.

Let’s see.
If Deus 2 performance mirrored EQX 800 performance how many Deus 2 units would have been sold? Cat would have come out of the bag and quick. Deus 2 for price would have been disgrace.

Something else for you to think about.
Xp made the best single freqs ops detectors in iron. Remember the name of the tech they bragged about? Nope. Because there was never no name given.
Add to this. Xp as far as I know according to engineer Danksowki Xp goldmaxx power platform actually breaks laws of physics according to him. And Mr Dandowski even goes as far as which test one can do and and see this for themselves. This was single freq ops. Btw, another competitor (I won’t even mention here or anywhere for that matter) made a 19khz unit. Guess what even the higher freq 19 kHz umit couldn’t keep up with goldmaxx power unit operating at lower frequency. So Xp somehow did find a way to make superior singles freq units in iron. Question is did some of this rub off on their FMF platform? My hunch is big fat YES.
Also worth noting.
Xp chose to use multiple freq options per some detect programs unlike What is used on FBS and Multi IQ unit’s. Question is why didn’t Xp follow suit here with their FMF platform? Or did they indeed see weakness with FBS and Multi IQ use of freqs and found a better way?

I watched all the BS talk.
When Deus 2 was first showed on wet salt beach with its amazing depth. First thing the naysayers stated saying oh it must be a ghost hole machine.
That was proven wrong.

Then a test was done with a gold coin and nails using 9” coil passing with flying colors against Nox and 11” coil. Then the folks were quick to blame it all on the smaller coil the deus 2 had.
Then the 11” coil was shown while on Deus 2 doing some similar test again spanking EQX.
Guess the naysayers couldn’t find a way to wiggle out of that one. Lol

Using the term TECH, I could care less about a name given to tech supposedly used in a VLF detector. What I want is performance advantage.

 

[Diga]

Tests and comparisons by whom? The vested interest people that have been so common lately? Perhaps even the same 3 popular You Tubers who found it odd that the Legend couldn't pick up that gold chain? It seems they didn't know how a detector sees gold chains, nor did they realize that they were using a mode that discriminated out ferrous and small foil (right where all detectors would place that chain on the conductivity scale). Thankfully, they finally realized that the first tone break was too high for that type of target.

Iron performance is based on the iron bias setting, recovery speed setting, and user experience. In the right hands, modern flagship detectors that have those settings will perform in iron about equally as well.

So XP has this "hidden" technology that they don't mention and don't patent eh? Wow! Imagine a company that doesn't mention its new technology that puts the competition in the dust! Not only would they be stupid and lose massive sales by not advertising the new technology, but it would be just as stupid not to patent it, because that leaves them totally open for said technology to be legally reverse engineered so all their competition can use it. How nice of XP to do that!


BTW- So you were wrong about the D2 being the only detector that has a salt stability setting...but then you say, "Nokta copied it from XP!". LMAO! What about how XP copying SMF from Minelab? Just about every product and feature is a copy when it comes to just about any product. The exception is the actual true new technology, in which companies get a patent for...you know, the patent that XP didn't even bother to get for their new magical technology.

Product apologists are hilarious for their excuses in response to constructive criticism and objectivity.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Tests and comparisons by whom? The vested interest people that have been so common lately? Perhaps even the same 3 popular You Tubers who found it odd that the Legend couldn't pick up that gold chain? It seems they didn't know how a detector sees gold chains, nor did they realize that they were using a mode that discriminated out ferrous and small foil (right where all detectors would place that chain on the conductivity scale). Thankfully, they finally realized that the first tone break was too high for that type of target.

Iron performance is based on the iron bias setting, recovery speed setting, and user experience. In the right hands, modern flagship detectors that have those settings will perform in iron about equally as well.

So XP has this "hidden" technology that they don't mention and don't patent eh? Wow! Imagine a company that doesn't mention its new technology that puts the competition in the dust! Not only would they be stupid and lose massive sales by not advertising the new technology, but it would be just as stupid not to patent it, because that leaves them totally open for said technology to be legally reverse engineered so all their competition can use it. How nice of XP to do that!


BTW- So you were wrong about the D2 being the only detector that has a salt stability setting...but then you say, "Nokta copied it from XP!". LMAO! What about how XP copying SMF from Minelab? Just about every product and feature is a copy when it comes to just about any product. The exception is the actual true new technology, in which companies get a patent for...you know, the patent that XP didn't even bother to get for their new magical technology.

Product apologists are hilarious for their excuses in response to constructive criticism and objectivity.

I never said anyone copied anything.
I said Deus 2 released with salt setting before Legend did. Deus 2 did release before Legend did. Go look.
You need to quit making stuff up as you go along.
No tester of Legend even revealed earlier on a salt sens setting. Later on after Deus 2 release they did. I can find video and show.
I did hear the salt setting was adding to Legend in last moments before release. Was this true or not? I don’t know.