Member here Savannah Harps finds a real nice ring on beach.

[LongJohnSilver1]

Using Deus 2 "in the water" is one thing. Diving in relatively still lake or stream water is very different from using it submerged in moderate to strong surf, water with plenty of currents or fast moving stream water.

XP made the same mistake that Minelab did by offering a "do it all" VLF that can't do it all due to hardware/physical design limitations.

That is a really nice ring Savannah Harps......great find and it can help pay for your Deus 2 beach/surf mods.

They made some stupid design decisions that leave me scratching my head.

All of their design faults seem to center around this wireless design. I can't for the life of me see who's asked for a wireless detector. The thing is so light that removing the control box doesn't make a difference. From that design choice stem all the problems with the antenna wire, crappy coil cover, wobbly shaft, floating control box and unfortunately the HIGH price.

Despite how flimsy it feels at times mine is yet to break and it's been hammered in some rough weather that would have smashed off an excel pot. And don't get me started on the nox's leaking.

 

[itsaring!]

They made some stupid design decisions that leave me scratching my head.

All of their design faults seem to center around this wireless design. I can't for the life of me see who's asked for a wireless detector. The thing is so light that removing the control box doesn't make a difference. From that design choice stem all the problems with the antenna wire, crappy coil cover, wobbly shaft, floating control box and unfortunately the HIGH price.

Despite how flimsy it feels at times mine is yet to break and it's been hammered in some rough weather that would have smashed off an excel pot. And don't get me started on the nox's leaking.

Good thing about having a lanyard, antenna and headphones connected is you may not lose the controls. I remember the Deus1 when it first came out a guy was looking for a controller after he lost his the first day out he dropped in a stream. It may be possible the battery in the coil lets you get more juice in the ground? Just not looking forward to when a coil battery kraps out. I hunt a lot and can't see it making it 5 years anyways.

I covered this before. But detecting in France you need to be able to hide a detector under a trench coat. This is designed well for that.

 

[cellrdwellr]

Add the premium price XP has attached and you get my polarity.

XP delivered for it's intended use. It can do things the Nox and Tarsacci cant.

Tarsacci cost vs D2 cost. If you paid more than 1350 for the D2 you have the wrong dealer. I got mine for 1300. If you want to go wireless with the Tarsacci you will spend more money. The pitch of the head on the Tarsacci is terrible. It's deeper than the Nox in the water though. Heavier than the D2. The D2 is a superior overall detector than the Tarsacci. Now how much does that Tarsacci cost ?

I disagree that XP delivered for it's intended use. One of the main features of the D2 is how deep you can dive with it. They didn't seem to keep the full time divers in mind when they designed the antenna and shaft. If your in the water, weight shouldn't matter, as the detector is buoyant anyhow. They really should have considered making a dive shaft for the deus along with the bone phones. Sell them both as a dive package. Your choice of the D2 with the 8" or 11" and then you choose if you want to add the dive package as well. We have been dealing with wires for years, so I don't think it would have been a huge deal to make a more rugged shaft with a beefier cable for water hunters. Seen MANY posts from water hunters that had issues with the shaft and antenna.

 

[diggindaboot]

I disagree that XP delivered for it's intended use. One of the main features of the D2 is how deep you can dive with it. They didn't seem to keep the full time divers in mind when they designed the antenna and shaft. If your in the water, weight shouldn't matter, as the detector is buoyant anyhow. They really should have considered making a dive shaft for the deus along with the bone phones. Sell them both as a dive package. Your choice of the D2 with the 8" or 11" and then you choose if you want to add the dive package as well. We have been dealing with wires for years, so I don't think it would have been a huge deal to make a more rugged shaft with a beefier cable for water hunters. Seen MANY posts from water hunters that had issues with the shaft and antenna.

It absolutely delivered for its intended use. Versatile and rated deeper than the Nox in water. This isn't a bash the Nox post, I have one and like it. Had it for 4 years. XP wanted to get in the SMF game and they have. They delivered.

We have been dealing with wires for years Yet the appeal for newer detectors is less wires. Having the option to remove the antenna for dirt digging is another plus. I haven't had any issues with the shaft or antenna in water. Hunters who get Excals and hunt hard in the water immediately make or have mods done to the detector. At a cost.

People complain. It's the nature of this hobby, sadly. It's a simple solution. Don't like it, don't buy it.

 

[cellrdwellr]

It absolutely delivered for its intended use. Versatile and rated deeper than the Nox in water. This isn't a bash the Nox post, I have one and like it. Had it for 4 years. XP wanted to get in the SMF game and they have. They delivered.

We have been dealing with wires for years Yet the appeal for newer detectors is less wires. Having the option to remove the antenna for dirt digging is another plus. I haven't had any issues with the shaft or antenna in water. Hunters who get Excals and hunt hard in the water immediately make or have mods done to the detector. At a cost.

People complain. It's the nature of this hobby, sadly. It's a simple solution. Don't like it, don't buy it.

Your right people will complain, and also turn a thread about a nice ring into a mudslinging contest. I told Savannah that ring was a nice find, twice even, maybe I missed your congratulatory post. I don't care what machine found it, cause I know from experience the detector your using is such a small part of a much bigger equation. I have not purchased a D2 and honestly don't plan on it. Looks like a great machine, but I've seen enough, particularly in the water department (my intended use would be diving) that turned me away. The paid promoters and XP fan boys were incredibly annoying as well. Haven't seen many game changing D2 posts, certainly nothing that would make me feel like I want or need one. Glad you like your D2, make any killer finds with it yet?

 

[KOB]

They made some stupid design decisions that leave me scratching my head.

All of their design faults seem to center around this wireless design. I can't for the life of me see who's asked for a wireless detector. The thing is so light that removing the control box doesn't make a difference. From that design choice stem all the problems with the antenna wire, crappy coil cover, wobbly shaft, floating control box and unfortunately the HIGH price.

Despite how flimsy it feels at times mine is yet to break and it's been hammered in some rough weather that would have smashed off an excel pot. And don't get me started on the nox's leaking.

This has been my contention since the release. Technically , it is wireless. If you hunt the dirt. But this has mainly been promoted as a water machine. Therefore you need this silly wire. And I don't care how it's attached , clipped , whatever. Totally misleading to me. Like the Gig , you will start seeing more and more problems with this machine. And how many here are diving 60 meters ? Cmon. All of the issues that many have discussed in the beginning are now becoming fact. The next generation of this I might be interested in. But as of now , I will not buy one.

 

[OBN]

Sorry for being off subject, and nice Ice Savvana..again.

For a few of those that don't remember, the excalibur was made/built as a dive machine. The upper blue shaft that came with it was made for diving and they included the lower shorter diving rod, (which they stopped packing around 2007?) and they included a longer shaft for hunting the wet sand. I do admit they should have had a knob guard. But only later, maybe 2000, did the custom long shaft come out for wet and dry sand hunting. That upgrade mod was founded by a guy named Harold ... Which he shared with a few, than Billy Babbes took the idea, without asking and marketed it. Just a little History for those that may have been un-aware.

I do think harold is still with us, under Big Scoop? Been awhile..

 

[jmaclen]

Add the premium price XP has attached and you get my polarity.

XP delivered for it's intended use. It can do things the Nox and Tarsacci cant.

Tarsacci cost vs D2 cost. If you paid more than 1350 for the D2 you have the wrong dealer. I got mine for 1300. If you want to go wireless with the Tarsacci you will spend more money. The pitch of the head on the Tarsacci is terrible. It's deeper than the Nox in the water though. Heavier than the D2. The D2 is a superior overall detector than the Tarsacci. Now how much does that Tarsacci cost ?

So the intended use was to be better than the Nox and Tarsacci OR was it to be better than the original Deus for water hunting, saltwater/salt beach hunting and for other aspects of the original Deus that were major weaknesses like depth with accurate target IDs and for more difficult ground handling capabilities to name two?

Intended use can be interpreted very subjectively.

Deus 2's control box, coils and bone phones are rated to 60 feet.

If Deus 2's intended use was really to dive to 60 feet in any safe diving water conditions........with an aluminum upper shaft that gets detected by the coil when the lower shaft is retracted for diving......and with shaft torque in anything but calm water using the 11" coil.....and a plastic arm cuff that is attached by one screw....... this all sounds very familiar considering the mods that are needed to use a Nox in more structurally challenging water conditions.

I read this a lot on this forum......If you don't like it (Deus 2 usually) don't buy it.

Often one doesn't know the weaknesses of a detector until after buying it and really putting it to use in difficult conditions, but still within the "intended use" of the detector.

It's great to have a forum like this one where actual detector owners can report on recently released detectors like Deus 2 so that potential owners get a well rounded viewpoint.

Generally, I have found my Deus 2 to be a huge improvement over my Deus 1. However, like Savannah Harps and several other owners that have reported their experiences.....Deus 2 is definitely a "work in progress" and far from the best detector ever made.....if that is actually even possible.

 

[diggindaboot]

Your right people will complain, and also turn a thread about a nice ring into a mudslinging contest. I told Savannah that ring was a nice find, twice even, maybe I missed your congratulatory post. I don't care what machine found it, cause I know from experience the detector your using is such a small part of a much bigger equation. I have not purchased a D2 and honestly don't plan on it. Looks like a great machine, but I've seen enough, particularly in the water department (my intended use would be diving) that turned me away. The paid promoters and XP fan boys were incredibly annoying as well. Haven't seen many game changing D2 posts, certainly nothing that would make me feel like I want or need one. Glad you like your D2, make any killer finds with it yet?

The paid promoters and XP fan boys were incredibly annoying as well.

Unfortunately, the venom towards those guys have soured many on the detector. Results should have the most influence on the forums but they don't. They never will on a forum. It was the same story with the Nox because many were leaking immediately. I've always been amazed that videos can absolutely drive a forum with the maker not even a member of the forum. The forums represent a minute number of detectorist. Over time, all great detectors eventually prove themselves. The D1 was a slow go at introduction for a lot the same reasons the D2 is. Cost, coil mount, yadda yadda yadda. It has since proven to be a stellar detector.

make any killer finds with it yet? For me, absolutely.
Found my first CW cuff button in Feb. in a cane field. Those cane fields are a carpet of iron and the D2 scored. At the beach it's been amazing. I'm finding gold that no one with an 800 has been able to pull. The beaches here are chocked full of iron. The D2 in iron has been stupendous for me. But, the good reports will be drowned out because people foolishly spend energy hating 2 vid makers.

 

[ManInTheWaLL]

I got my legend out today.. and I was appalled by the wires. I'm use to the DEUS 2, and the CTX with the wire inside.

It looked so sloppy, and annoying. I can't stand wires!

 

[itsaring!]

The paid promoters and XP fan boys were incredibly annoying as well.

Unfortunately, the venom towards those guys have soured many on the detector.

Not any my way other than me seem have one. Never seen another one. And the Nox users i talk to on the beach don't ask questions about it. They just don't seem to care. But with the economy in the tank and getting worse i can see why as well. Sometimes digging 16" deep holes burns up a lot of beach time. And the time filling the holes back in as well. Gold ring i got the other day was only two inches deep.

 

[diggindaboot]

So the intended use was to be better than the Nox and Tarsacci OR was it to be better than the original Deus for water hunting, saltwater/salt beach hunting and for other aspects of the original Deus that were major weaknesses like depth with accurate target IDs and for more difficult ground handling capabilities to name two?

Intended use can be interpreted very subjectively.

Deus 2's control box, coils and bone phones are rated to 60 feet.

If Deus 2's intended use was really to dive to 60 feet in any safe diving water conditions........with an aluminum upper shaft that gets detected by the coil when the lower shaft is retracted for diving......and with shaft torque in anything but calm water using the 11" coil.....and a plastic arm cuff that is attached by one screw....... this all sounds very familiar considering the mods that are needed to use a Nox in more structurally challenging water conditions.

I read this a lot on this forum......If you don't like it (Deus 2 usually) don't buy it.

Often one doesn't know the weaknesses of a detector until after buying it and really putting it to use in difficult conditions, but still within the "intended use" of the detector.

It's great to have a forum like this one where actual detector owners can report on recently released detectors like Deus 2 so that potential owners get a well rounded viewpoint.

Generally, I have found my Deus 2 to be a huge improvement over my Deus 1. However, like Savannah Harps and several other owners that have reported their experiences.....Deus 2 is definitely a "work in progress" and far from the best detector ever made.....if that is actually even possible.

Intended use can be interpreted very subjectively. False. Let's review.

XP set out to make:
an SMF detector. Check.
a detector that is saltwater capable both in and out. Check.
a detector that is ip rated more than 10'. Check.
a detector that is still wireless in the fields. Check.
an SMF detector with faster multi frequency. Check.
Conclusion. They delivered. If you can refute any of that. Do it. There is absolutely nothing subjective there.

If Deus 2's intended use was really to dive to 60 feet in any safe diving water conditions........with an aluminum upper shaft that gets detected by the coil when the lower shaft is retracted for diving......and with shaft torque in anything but calm water using the 11" coil.....and a plastic arm cuff that is attached by one screw....... this all sounds very familiar considering the mods that are needed to use a Nox in more structurally challenging water conditions.

Now you have hit the subjectivity Mecca. Congrats. Excals get modified. Nox's get modified. But oh no, you shouldn't have to modify an XP. That is the unforgivable sin. It should have been packaged dive ready. That's dumb and I'll tell you why in a bit. Your paragraph truly humors me and embellishes my point of people begging for something to complain about. I mean the number of people who have had to change their knobs on the Excal are numerous, but by God if we have to change that antenna wire, life will end as we know it. Most of the people complaining will never dive in their lifetime. Fact is the amount of detectorist who dive are very few in comparison to the average detectorist. So yea, let's deliver it as a dive package and charge more money so people can then complain even more about why we didn't make a standard package. Yea, that makes total sense. Uh no. XP was smart enough to appeal to the masses not to a very limited number of diving detectorist.

best detector ever made Those 4 words by someone who you will most likely never meet in your lifetime, has ruffled more feathers than all the duck hunters in the United States combined. Think about that.

 

[diggindaboot]

Not any my way other than me seem have one. Never seen another one. And the Nox users i talk to on the beach don't ask questions about it. They just don't seem to care. But with the economy in the tank and getting worse i can see why as well. Sometimes digging 16" deep holes burns up a lot of beach time. And the time filling the holes back in as well. Gold ring i got the other day was only two inches deep.

Nothing beats a fresh drop. 10 seconds to scoop and go.

 

[GeoW]

The paid promoters and XP fan boys were incredibly annoying as well.


Do you identify with these?

 

[jmaclen]

Intended use can be interpreted very subjectively. False. Let's review.

XP set out to make:

a detector that is saltwater capable both in and out. Check.

------------Saltwater capable (your subjective choice of the word capable) but may need several modifications that are never mentioned or supplied currently by XP. Deus 1 was actually saltwater in and out capable--------

a detector that is ip rated more than 10'. Check.

------Some components of the detector are IP rated for deeper than 10'-------


Most of the people complaining will never dive in their lifetime. Fact is the amount of detectorist who dive are very few in comparison to the average detectorist.

------If diving was the only reason to perform modifications many actual water/beach users would not be complaining, recommending or performing mods not provided by XP------

------If I was going to use an XP Deus 2 for mostly diving/fully submerged in water with strong currents, I would wait to buy one until XP releases their own dive shaft with antenna wire inside the shaft at least along with a much more secure way to attach the remote control and antenna. If they release a full Deus 2 dive version without the WS6 headphones and any other non waterproof components, that would be even better-------

best detector ever made Those 4 words by someone who you will most likely never meet in your lifetime, has ruffled more feathers than all the duck hunters in the United States combined. Think about that.

-----I visit the Myrtle Beach SC area yearly or more frequently. Driving 25 miles up highway 31 to Calabash NC and eating at Captain Nance is a very likely possibility especially if something other than seafood is on the menu.-----

Like I said earlier, my XP Deus 2 is definitely an improvement over my original XP Deus for sure.

 

[diggindaboot]

Like I said earlier, my XP Deus 2 is definitely an improvement over my original XP Deus.

LOL, thanks for making my point. Nothing subjective about it being saltwater capable. It 100% works in saltwater.

If they release a full Deus 2 dive version without the WS6 headphones and any other non waterproof components, that would be even better------- ANDDDDDDDDDDDD people would still complain. Cuff is too big or too small. I wish they would have , fill in the blank. Again, buy it or don't. If you had any desire to meet CD it would have happened already. Still, those 4 words resonate.

 

[jmaclen]

LOL, thanks for making my point. Nothing subjective about it being saltwater capable. It 100% works in saltwater.

If they release a full Deus 2 dive version without the WS6 headphones and any other non waterproof components, that would be even better------- ANDDDDDDDDDDDD people would still complain. Cuff is too big or too small. I wish they would have , fill in the blank. Again, buy it or don't. If you had any desire to meet CD it would have happened already. Still, those 4 words resonate.

Glad you are totally satisfied with your Deus 2.

Others (me included) who actually own one too are not. Nothing wrong with your complete satisfaction or others wishing for improvements.

 

[diggindaboot]

Glad you are totally satisfied with your Deus 2.

Others (me included) who actually own one too are not. Nothing wrong with your complete satisfaction or others wishing for improvements.

When you find the perfect one, let me know. I would love to give it a try.

This thread however got bent in the very beginning, all because it was TNSS that was the op. Any other op and this thread has a whole different vibe. I truly wish, just once, at least one of the complainers would go build that perfect in every way detector.

Meanwhile, I started a new club in Louisiana. Having a blast with it. Much more joyful than complaining about an antenna wire.

 

[LongJohnSilver1]

I disagree that XP delivered for it's intended use. One of the main features of the D2 is how deep you can dive with it. They didn't seem to keep the full time divers in mind when they designed the antenna and shaft. If your in the water, weight shouldn't matter, as the detector is buoyant anyhow. They really should have considered making a dive shaft for the deus along with the bone phones. Sell them both as a dive package. Your choice of the D2 with the 8" or 11" and then you choose if you want to add the dive package as well. We have been dealing with wires for years, so I don't think it would have been a huge deal to make a more rugged shaft with a beefier cable for water hunters. Seen MANY posts from water hunters that had issues with the shaft and antenna.

It's like they started with it being wireless as the main thing and then all other considerations had to work around it. The anetnna wire hasn't bothered me yet, but I think the way it's been mounted is stupid.

I've ditched the little rubber O-ring holding the coil end on, I've found it hasn't been needed the salt and grit seems to jam it on as long as you never remove it. And that's kind of the point I'm getting at, I'm finding little value in the wireless mods now that I'm using it on the sand. I thought maybe it'd come into it's own in winter here when I don't dive but it's proving pointless.
The dirt guys probably love it? but then why not just make a different detector.

For me it's frustrating because it's so good in other ways, I love how light it is, the bone phones and how well it separates.

If they could just get rid of the lcd, keypad and wireless, I bet they could mount the whole thing inside a CF straight shaft. Hide a few buttons for basic functions in the handle or hidden panel, whack in a big lithium battery for long run time and run the coil cable internally. it'd be a near perfect beach machine and super light.

 

[itsaring!]

I've ditched the little rubber O-ring holding the coil end on, I've found it hasn't been needed the salt and grit seems to jam it on as long as you never remove it.

Not everyone's may do it? But appears mine locks on good now without an o ring even after cleaning after every use. Doesn't come off easy anymore. I got to remove it to be sure the coil charge light is on. Sometimes that clip just doesn't make a good connection just like an equinox charger. You got to watch for the light.