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Sorry for the lol it was meant to show you that I wasn't trying to be rude to you... off to hunt, everyone have a great day... Hope I don't see any no trespassing signs!
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Sorry for the lol it was meant to show you that I wasn't trying to be rude to you... off to hunt, everyone have a great day... Hope I don't see any no trespassing signs!
The school the Op is talking about is public property vs the store you are talking about. The following is an excerpt I found in the trespassing link that was referenced earlier in this thread-
Statutory Elements
States may have different laws as to what constitutes criminal trespass, but there are some common statutory elements that usually apply to all trespassing laws. Instances of trespassing when homes are involved occur when a particular home is habitable. Whether or not the particular home is occupied or unoccupied doesn't matter. Depending on the jurisdiction, trespassing may not occur for homes that are not suitable for habitation. Abandonment could also possibly be used as a defense against prosecution for this type of crime.
Thank you for your comments as they may have opened up a new door for a lot of people that may want to explore the legality of detecting the type homes highlighted above. There certainly are a lot of them around.
Crackerjack
Elite Member
Jay_781
Elite Member
This is just silly now, grown men having to be babysat
This is just silly now, grown men having to be babysat
I never grew up.
If we have to close these threads to stop this constant bickering we are going to do it... we are tired of this... maybe a week off wasn't enough...
Instead of responding to these types of posts report them and we will take care of them...
Instead of responding to these types of posts report them and we will take care of them...
Cylon_Detector
Junior Member
As a newbie to the hobby, getting denied like that is definitely discouraging. I don't have the confidence to walk up and door-knock yet, and I'm worried about leaving people's yards in a bad state, not that I'm not careful, just overly cautious about this.
I contacted the local fairgrounds and asked if I could detect there, and they said they have MDers there all the time and said they let residents of a nearby town have exclusive access to the grounds because they rent them out when they detect, so because I'm not a resident of that specific town, I can't detect there. Also dumbfounding and discouraging.
I also found a local person who owns tons of acres with a former resort/rooming house on it that goes back to the victorian era, including 2 out buildings, a huge meadow, lakefront property, an old bootlegging still, a foundation that used to be a saloon, and a barn with "1914" written in the cement steps. Incredible place and no one has ever detected there. I found a Merc the one and only time I hit it. I never went back because the owner is a pervert and was offering to give me massages (NO THANK YOU!) That is not what I am looking for when I detect! Has that ever happened to anyone before?
I am tempted to go back there, despite the pervertness, and detect because it's an MDer's disneyland, but I'd have to fend off this weirdo's advances and that breaks my concentration for sure.
Is it worth going back to? I did find a merc in under 2 hours there.
I contacted the local fairgrounds and asked if I could detect there, and they said they have MDers there all the time and said they let residents of a nearby town have exclusive access to the grounds because they rent them out when they detect, so because I'm not a resident of that specific town, I can't detect there. Also dumbfounding and discouraging.
I also found a local person who owns tons of acres with a former resort/rooming house on it that goes back to the victorian era, including 2 out buildings, a huge meadow, lakefront property, an old bootlegging still, a foundation that used to be a saloon, and a barn with "1914" written in the cement steps. Incredible place and no one has ever detected there. I found a Merc the one and only time I hit it. I never went back because the owner is a pervert and was offering to give me massages (NO THANK YOU!) That is not what I am looking for when I detect! Has that ever happened to anyone before?
I am tempted to go back there, despite the pervertness, and detect because it's an MDer's disneyland, but I'd have to fend off this weirdo's advances and that breaks my concentration for sure.
Is it worth going back to? I did find a merc in under 2 hours there.
ohiochris
Elite Member
You should be aware of your particular states trespassing laws. This is part of Ohio's but I suspect many other states are probably similar.
Ohio Trespassing Law
2911.21 Criminal trespass.
(A) No person, without privilege to do so, shall do any of the
following:
(1) Knowingly enter or remain on the land or premises of another;
(2) Knowingly enter or remain on the land or premises of another, the use of which is lawfully restricted to certain persons, purposes, modes, or hours, when the offender knows the offender is in violation of any such restriction or is reckless in that regard;
(3) Recklessly enter or remain on the land or premises of another, as to which notice against unauthorized access or presence is given by actual communication to the offender, or in a manner prescribed by law, or by posting in a manner reasonably calculated to come to the attention of potential intruders, or by fencing or other enclosure manifestly designed to restrict access;
(4) Being on the land or premises of another, negligently fail or refuse to leave upon being notified by signage posted in a conspicuous place or otherwise being notified to do so by the owner or occupant, or the agent or servant of either.
(B) It is no defense to a charge under this section that the land or premises involved was owned, controlled, or in custody of a public agency.
(C) It is no defense to a charge under this section that the offender was authorized to enter or remain on the land or premises involved, when such authorization was secured by deception.
(F) As used in this section:
(2) "Land or premises" includes any land, building, structure, or place belonging to, controlled by, or in custody of another, and any separate enclosure or room, or portion thereof.
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Paying close attention to point (B) , criminal trespass can occur even on "public" property if you do not have permission or are not granted privaledge to be there. While its not likely that this would be used against you , its still right there in black and white and could ruin your day with a criminal trespass charge if they decided to.
Ohio Trespassing Law
2911.21 Criminal trespass.
(A) No person, without privilege to do so, shall do any of the
following:
(1) Knowingly enter or remain on the land or premises of another;
(2) Knowingly enter or remain on the land or premises of another, the use of which is lawfully restricted to certain persons, purposes, modes, or hours, when the offender knows the offender is in violation of any such restriction or is reckless in that regard;
(3) Recklessly enter or remain on the land or premises of another, as to which notice against unauthorized access or presence is given by actual communication to the offender, or in a manner prescribed by law, or by posting in a manner reasonably calculated to come to the attention of potential intruders, or by fencing or other enclosure manifestly designed to restrict access;
(4) Being on the land or premises of another, negligently fail or refuse to leave upon being notified by signage posted in a conspicuous place or otherwise being notified to do so by the owner or occupant, or the agent or servant of either.
(B) It is no defense to a charge under this section that the land or premises involved was owned, controlled, or in custody of a public agency.
(C) It is no defense to a charge under this section that the offender was authorized to enter or remain on the land or premises involved, when such authorization was secured by deception.
(F) As used in this section:
(2) "Land or premises" includes any land, building, structure, or place belonging to, controlled by, or in custody of another, and any separate enclosure or room, or portion thereof.
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Paying close attention to point (B) , criminal trespass can occur even on "public" property if you do not have permission or are not granted privaledge to be there. While its not likely that this would be used against you , its still right there in black and white and could ruin your day with a criminal trespass charge if they decided to.
ohiochris
Elite Member
About the fairground ,...if they let people go in and detect it , I would just go in and detect it. They do not have to know you are not local. Best thing to do when inquiring about the use of a fairground is to play the part of a local , dont let them know you are from out of town if you can avoid it. Its not dishonest , they really just dont need to know where you are from.
If you can't deal with weirdos. Don't get into beach hunting. Lots of them hang out at beaches. This is one I hunt. Main thing you do is make sure you are prepared in case someone starts to follow you to the bathroom
http://jacksonville.com/community/n...-complaint-leads-arrest-four-fernandina-beach
About the fairground ,...if they let people go in and detect it , I would just go in and detect it. They do not have to know you are not local. Best thing to do when inquiring about the use of a fairground is to play the part of a local , dont let them know you are from out of town if you can avoid it. Its not dishonest , they really just dont need to know where you are from.[/QUOTE]
I've been thinking about crashing these wedding parties across the street every week. Should I just stick with the food and the liquor or do you think they might miss a couple wedding presents?
ohiochris
Elite Member
About the fairground ,...if they let people go in and detect it , I would just go in and detect it. They do not have to know you are not local. Best thing to do when inquiring about the use of a fairground is to play the part of a local , dont let them know you are from out of town if you can avoid it. Its not dishonest , they really just dont need to know where you are from.[/QUOTE]
I've been thinking about crashing these wedding parties across the street every week. Should I just stick with the food and the liquor or do you think they might miss a couple wedding presents?
Yep , thats funny. But Im sure you do see the difference right ?
To answer your question-Yes. I have to go to work a little while this morning so I won't get into it yet. You do have a frisbee I hope. What year was the Merc?
Cylon_Detector
Junior Member
A frisbee? What do I do with that? The merc is a 1935 D.
Originally Posted by Cylon_Detector View Post
As a newbie to the hobby, getting denied like that is definitely discouraging. I don't have the confidence to walk up and door-knock yet, and I'm worried about leaving people's yards in a bad state, not that I'm not careful, just overly cautious about this.
I contacted the local fairgrounds and asked if I could detect there, and they said they have MDers there all the time and said they let residents of a nearby town have exclusive access to the grounds because they rent them out when they detect, so because I'm not a resident of that specific town, I can't detect there. Also dumbfounding and discouraging.
I also found a local person who owns tons of acres with a former resort/rooming house on it that goes back to the victorian era, including 2 out buildings, a huge meadow, lakefront property, an old bootlegging still, a foundation that used to be a saloon, and a barn with "1914" written in the cement steps. Incredible place and no one has ever detected there. I found a Merc the one and only time I hit it. I never went back because the owner is a pervert and was offering to give me massages (NO THANK YOU!) That is not what I am looking for when I detect! Has that ever happened to anyone before?
I am tempted to go back there, despite the pervertness, and detect because it's an MDer's disneyland, but I'd have to fend off this weirdo's advances and that breaks my concentration for sure.
Is it worth going back to? I did find a merc in under 2 hours there.
A frisbee is a very important tool in a metal detectorist's arsenal. Usually used as a reference aid ,it ,on occasion, actually is used physically to acquire a site and retain a site. I understand that you may not know that as you stated that you are a newbie. I hope you haven't been spending time over on Tnet as they don't seem to go as deep into these areas and people are constantly losing sites. Not that you seem to be doing too good yet.
Since you mentioned that you are a newbie I will touch briefly on forum etiquette in hopes of saving you any problems in the future. Referring to someone using names as you did might not be a good idea if you plan on doing it repeatedly. The property owner may be as you described but you could easily look that up and I'll take it as a personal opinion and won't say I'm skeptical. I don't want to drag a whole bunch of people over here in his defense and detract from this potential hunting site. If you feel the need to call someone a name just do it to me as I am not overly concerned about it. I might have a counter-point.
What it appears to me is that you are one massagee away from a great site. All you need is the right person to take over there and you got it made. I am kinda pre-disposed at the moment being happily married, with an attractive neighbor and several other people that would love to get their hands on me so I can't make the trip.
If the guy wants to give someone a massage and their is no legal issues involved all you need is a willing participant and a frisbee. Practice your frisbee skills before you take him over there. You can do this at home or the local park. This isn't something you need to spend a lot of time on but try to get it to where he can catch it or at least look somewhat professional as far as retrieving it. Don't go over to the park and go throwing that thing around knocking the birdies out of the trees and landing it in the mayor's potato salad or flying it into the heads of those detectorists there that probably didn't ask for any trouble.
Take your guy over to the site and start throwing the frisbee around tell the owner you really enjoyed your last visit there. Tell him you described the place to your friend and he was eager to visit. Don't have your friend take his shirt off yet but make sure he sees his various techniques of catching and throwing the frisbee. Sling that puppy about 75 feet over his head. When he starts to retrieve it tell the owner that you're going to be over somewhere detecting and don't go asking too many questions as you did on the school lot.
I won't go into the various tactics you can use to stay on the site unless you take my advice and actually go there and detect. But please don't come up with a fourth site for us to drool over unless you're serious about this permission stuff.
As a newbie to the hobby, getting denied like that is definitely discouraging. I don't have the confidence to walk up and door-knock yet, and I'm worried about leaving people's yards in a bad state, not that I'm not careful, just overly cautious about this.
I contacted the local fairgrounds and asked if I could detect there, and they said they have MDers there all the time and said they let residents of a nearby town have exclusive access to the grounds because they rent them out when they detect, so because I'm not a resident of that specific town, I can't detect there. Also dumbfounding and discouraging.
I also found a local person who owns tons of acres with a former resort/rooming house on it that goes back to the victorian era, including 2 out buildings, a huge meadow, lakefront property, an old bootlegging still, a foundation that used to be a saloon, and a barn with "1914" written in the cement steps. Incredible place and no one has ever detected there. I found a Merc the one and only time I hit it. I never went back because the owner is a pervert and was offering to give me massages (NO THANK YOU!) That is not what I am looking for when I detect! Has that ever happened to anyone before?
I am tempted to go back there, despite the pervertness, and detect because it's an MDer's disneyland, but I'd have to fend off this weirdo's advances and that breaks my concentration for sure.
Is it worth going back to? I did find a merc in under 2 hours there.
A frisbee is a very important tool in a metal detectorist's arsenal. Usually used as a reference aid ,it ,on occasion, actually is used physically to acquire a site and retain a site. I understand that you may not know that as you stated that you are a newbie. I hope you haven't been spending time over on Tnet as they don't seem to go as deep into these areas and people are constantly losing sites. Not that you seem to be doing too good yet.
Since you mentioned that you are a newbie I will touch briefly on forum etiquette in hopes of saving you any problems in the future. Referring to someone using names as you did might not be a good idea if you plan on doing it repeatedly. The property owner may be as you described but you could easily look that up and I'll take it as a personal opinion and won't say I'm skeptical. I don't want to drag a whole bunch of people over here in his defense and detract from this potential hunting site. If you feel the need to call someone a name just do it to me as I am not overly concerned about it. I might have a counter-point.
What it appears to me is that you are one massagee away from a great site. All you need is the right person to take over there and you got it made. I am kinda pre-disposed at the moment being happily married, with an attractive neighbor and several other people that would love to get their hands on me so I can't make the trip.
If the guy wants to give someone a massage and their is no legal issues involved all you need is a willing participant and a frisbee. Practice your frisbee skills before you take him over there. You can do this at home or the local park. This isn't something you need to spend a lot of time on but try to get it to where he can catch it or at least look somewhat professional as far as retrieving it. Don't go over to the park and go throwing that thing around knocking the birdies out of the trees and landing it in the mayor's potato salad or flying it into the heads of those detectorists there that probably didn't ask for any trouble.
Take your guy over to the site and start throwing the frisbee around tell the owner you really enjoyed your last visit there. Tell him you described the place to your friend and he was eager to visit. Don't have your friend take his shirt off yet but make sure he sees his various techniques of catching and throwing the frisbee. Sling that puppy about 75 feet over his head. When he starts to retrieve it tell the owner that you're going to be over somewhere detecting and don't go asking too many questions as you did on the school lot.
I won't go into the various tactics you can use to stay on the site unless you take my advice and actually go there and detect. But please don't come up with a fourth site for us to drool over unless you're serious about this permission stuff.
Kemper, give it a rest!!! 
You are on very thin ice!
You are on very thin ice!
Cylon_Detector
Junior Member
I'm not sure I follow you there. I am usually as respectful as they come, and I used the term "pervert" because what would you call a site owner telling you you're sexy, attractive, and he is "having trouble controlling his hormones" around you? To top it all off, I caught him spying on me, photographing me from the windows of the house while I was detecting. And the real kicker was when he showed up in his underwear to watch me detect and offer me a massage. That made me uncomfortable as hell.
As far as the frisbee goes I'm not really catching your drift. Do you mean I should find someone to keep his extra-curricular interests piqued while I do my detecting?
As far as the frisbee goes I'm not really catching your drift. Do you mean I should find someone to keep his extra-curricular interests piqued while I do my detecting?
Jay_781
Elite Member
I have guestion how old are you buddy? And as far as you being confused, just leave it alone it'll only get worse for us all. Trust me, it's a fact
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