NectarDetector
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If that dude had said or tried any of that with me, well, I might just break out in handcuffs....
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If that dude had said or tried any of that with me, well, I might just break out in handcuffs....
Yeah at the time that was suggested the Op was tempted to go back and sounded like he was considering it and asking what he should do. It got a lot more unusual after that and it was suggested that he go when no one is home. I don't think anyone here was thinking about subjecting themselves. You're right about this being a strange one. We did cover it though. They're not all easy.
Where did you go OP? Looks like someone not only scared you off the thread but maybe off the forum . I'm just going by your last post. Let us know if you're still around.
He has not been on since near the end of July. And, yes he probably was scared off because of nonsense threads like this!!
How many members do we have to lose??
ohiochris
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well yeah. But correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those type obligatory signs on EVERY school nowadays ?
Seems there signs like that at all our public schools here too. Eg.: "visitors check in at office", "school usage only" "no trespassing", or things to that effect. I'm not even sure you could read half of them, as they are either fallen down, illegible, etc... They don't seem to stop anyone from jogging the track, shooting hoops, etc... I too have always understood them as a tool to evict someone who thinks he's going to camp there, or rednecks who want to spin donuts on the lawn with their 4-wheel drive, etc... I've seen those signs on the shopping center malls too: "private property. Permission to pass revokable,", blah blah.
But sure, taken literally, you're right: the letter of the law is the letter of the law. So if that's ominous to someone, then .... stick to park's I suppose.
Not all schools have those signs , around here ONLY schools that have had problems in the past have put up signs like that. And in that case , with trespassing signs , you have no way to know exactly WHAT they mean. Trespassing is trespassing......period.....unless you have been given permission to disregard those signs. Public schools are generally fine to detect without permission , I never ask I just go , unless there are trespassing signs present. Anyone with authority at that particular school does have the authority to decide what goes on there and what dont. A school down the road may not care but that one apparently does. The trespassing signs make a world of difference.
Just a notice to whomever may see this thread and want to comment. You are more than welcome to, but be advised it is old thread brought back to life by a member. The OP has not been on the Forum in over 3 months!
ohiochris
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Yep , I didnt even notice the dates of the posts , and I followed this one for a while back when it was new
If I were going to give advice to an Op of a permission thread I would suggest to them that they stick with their thread the same as posters do in other areas. A lot of times it seems that they are not interested in answers that they initially say they are seeking. A lot of times if they don't hear what they want to hear at first they lose interest and abandon their thread.
Of course that leaves it open for people to comment on it and I think for the most part they stay on topic. When a lot of posts are made on one the amount of views rises so we know people are interested. I realize they can become a headache to moderate if they get too far out of hand but there is a price to pay for open discussion and the less people hold back the better it is.
I have no problem with them myself because I have a good record of staying away from the cursing,name calling and suggesting illegal activity except in jest. When someone goes back and really looks at these threads they will see that from not only me but others that get involved. I also know that permission is a lot more complicated than some other issues because when we talk about permission we have to keep in mind "permission to do what,when, how etc." Once we can determine the legality of the issue we can discuss the best way to proceed if the Op or anyone else is interested in proceeding.
The biggest problem in the permission threads (my opinion) is the people that come there only to gripe and offer nothing else. They would not do it on other threads but can't seem to resist doing it there. Of course I don't mind that too much but I can see where others might.
They come to gripe because you and a couple others are like broken records posting the same stuff over and over again...
Before bringing up an old thread to "stir the pot" as you so like to do private message the OPer and leave the thread alone. I would surmise that the OPer was done with it by the lack of response.
Maybe we will post a sticky of all the threads we have closed about permission threads gone bad... we can call it everything one needs to know about permission threads
Tom_in_CA
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hmm, you're right seabee. No need to resurrect any old threads where any such question came up in the past. It will come up again (go figure) in new situations for folks ........ as it is. No need to ask it or resurrect it if it's not someone's true current question. Doh!
Now c'mon winter storms and beat up our west coast beaches !
hmm, you're right seabee. No need to resurrect any old threads where any such question came up in the past. It will come up again (go figure) in new situations for folks ........ as it is. No need to ask it or resurrect it if it's not someone's true current question. Doh!
Now c'mon winter storms and beat up our west coast beaches !
By that logic there would be no need to leave any "old" thread open. Because as soon as someone comments on it it is resurrected. The only way to keep that from happening would be to close it and leave it for reference only. If the only reason to keep it open would be for the Op to come back to then they could resurrect it. So I guess my question to you Tom is-What amount of time would you consider a thread to sit idle to be classified as an "old" thread ?
I know I shouldn't....but I can't help myself....do not respond...DO NOT RESPOND...ah, the heck with it...Kemper you are sucking me into your vortex randomness, but is it in your DNA to "stir the pot"??!!?
Now Tom, onto important subjects...how's this winter going to be??!!?
Now Tom, onto important subjects...how's this winter going to be??!!?
bdu1962
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Where did you go OP? Looks like someone not only scared you off the thread but maybe off the forum . I'm just going by your last post. Let us know if you're still around.
Maybe the mods or owners will get tired of your never ending junk and boot your @ss off this forum.
ohiochris
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The biggest problem with permission threads is they go down rabbit trails of what you can get away with and what "other" people do.......when there should be a standard to go by so that newbies who may not be able to accurately read a situation dont wind up in trouble or cause problems. Regardless of what somebody has figured out they personally do or get away with , a GOOD standard in the advice arena is a standard that covers every situation and location , the safest , most respectful , and responsible advice to cover every situation is RESPECT.....respect property , people , law. Let new people learn through experience whether the STANDARD applies to their situation or not. Its ok that those of us with more experience can read a situation better and make the decision to do things differently yet still doing no harm , but our advice to others should err on the safe side if anything. Give them the keys to the car , let them learn how to drive it.
ohiochris
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About the fairground ,...if they let people go in and detect it , I would just go in and detect it. They do not have to know you are not local. Best thing to do when inquiring about the use of a fairground is to play the part of a local , dont let them know you are from out of town if you can avoid it. Its not dishonest , they really just dont need to know where you are from.-ohiochris
Above is a post on this thread by you. Is this the type of respect you are talking about?
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You think you got me there huh ?
Fairgrounds , like schools and parks , are public......there is no disrespect , they are for public use until notified otherwise. But you know advice has been given on here to disregard signs , interpret rules our own way , or be sneaky , all to avoid detection or clarification......totally shrugging responsibility.
But this is going down rabbit trails again. So I will leave it at that
By that logic there would be no need to leave any "old" thread open. Because as soon as someone comments on it it is resurrected. The only way to keep that from happening would be to close it and leave it for reference only. If the only reason to keep it open would be for the Op to come back to then they could resurrect it. So I guess my question to you Tom is-What amount of time would you consider a thread to sit idle to be classified as an "old" thread ?
We leave them open for members to read... not for members to hijack them.. move on now...
ohiochris
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Your reply was in reference to the Op stating that the only ones allowed to detect the fairgrounds were the residents of the area. Your reply was to go around them by deceit. That is not the kind of respect you have been recommending here.
Every situation is different and that is why all permission threads are different even though they may be as repetitive in parts as other threads.
I see how you could take it that way I suppose. But there is no deceit involved as I understood the OP's description at the time ,....if the place is open to detecting then its open to detecting......a far cry from redefining the rules or ignoring a sign......and they are not clubs for only those in that particular county. Its not a respect issue. Its like trying to park in a library parking lot and being told that its only for citizens of that county.....it dont work like that.
But that post was also from a time when I misunderstood the OP's concern....thats the part where I should have taken my own advice.
But whatever , it dont change the good sense behind my respect post and the reason I stated for the problems with permission threads.
Tom_in_CA
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kemper, I say this as someone who, like yourself, has just as much a bee-in-my-bonnet on the subject, as you know : It's not that any old thread can't be "resurrected" and posted on. That wasn't the point. It's that the particular nuance/topic will rear up again. It's bound to be a question or encounter person's have in the normal course of the hobby. So ..... no need to go find it in an old post. When it comes up for someone's sincere question again, then in that case, they are inviting comments. Otherwise, it will just smack of purposeful "stirring".
Seabee, no swells and nothing southerly on the horizon But there's an old-town demo. coming up for this next spring or summer, that I'll try to get you in on. The local demo. contractor is a friend of mine, who may get the bid to tear down these buildings. They're all low-rise (2 stories or less) type affairs, in 1860s/70s blocks. Along with sidewalk tearouts. Should be good 
: It's not that any old thread can't be "resurrected" and posted on. That wasn't the point. It's that the particular nuance/topic will rear up again. It's bound to be a question or encounter person's have in the normal course of the hobby. So ..... no need to go find it in an old post. When it comes up for someone's sincere question again, then in that case, they are inviting comments. Otherwise, it will just smack of purposeful "stirring". Seabee, no swells and nothing southerly on the horizon
But there's an old-town demo. coming up for this next spring or summer, that I'll try to get you in on. The local demo. contractor is a friend of mine, who may get the bid to tear down these buildings. They're all low-rise (2 stories or less) type affairs, in 1860s/70s blocks. Along with sidewalk tearouts. Should be good Similar threads
