Yes. I disagree that : Trespass was the topic of this thread. Instead I propose that : Golf courses was the topic of this thread. Ok ?
Nice try…the topic is whether or not one should metal detect on golf courses, and trespassing is an important aspect of that conversation. Try to keep up.
You did. In post #40, you seemed to concur with the notion. And you confirm this notion further in your post #50. Eh ?
Is being disingenuous and taking statements out of context a habit for you?
Trespassing to metal detect gives the hobby a black eye…even if it occurs on a golf course. Do you agree with this statement, Tom?
Oh, and next time you want to accuse me of saying that metal detecting has a “black-eye” connotation associated with it, make sure to include my entire statement please.
I mean, do you notice how I always include your entire quote? I do this purposefully so people reading it can see exactly what statement of yours I am responding to, and why my response is relevant. From there they can either agree or disagree with my assessment. You constantly include only portions of what I write, and then try to score points to make it appear as if I have said/claimed something that I haven’t actually said or claimed. Please stop.
Ok. And not every driver is as good as a driver as you. Should we disallow driving automobiles for everyone then ? No . Instead, we reprimand the bad drivers. Not castigate driving in-general.
Analogies only work when they’re making a legitimate comparison, Tom. I mean, I can tear this one apart if you want me to, but I think…deep down…even you understand that it is not a very accurate representation of what I stated.
But let's just say that a detectorist
were "as perfect as me", then ... I think we're getting somewhere : Then you'd agree that they can hunt a golf course then. Right ?
PERFECT !
If permission is required (i.e the situation for quite a few golf courses, since they may be, Private: members only, Private: but open to the public, and in some cases, Municipal: where permission may or may not be required), and you have obtained permission, then sure, go ahead and detect.
Then the solution is not "never hunt golf courses". The solution is : Be a better md'r ! I think we're on common ground now F-O
The solutions are both to not trespass AND to be a courteous/better MD’r.
Yes. I agree that is our difference here. And the reason is simple : Because you are *starting* with the premise that : MD'ing is harmful, reviled, abhorent, a black-eye, etc...
Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick, where have I ever started with that premise? You do this constantly in these threads. You take things out of context and then make baseless claims. Here’s exactly what I said:
Originally Posted by FliesOnly in post #50:
“Additionally, if someone was out there metal detecting and being courteous to golfers on the course (i.e not slowing up pace of play, replacing plugs, etc), then I wouldn’t care about that activity either. But not every detectorist is as perfect as you Tom, and not all golfers are as mild-mannered as myself. I have serious doubts that, at least on any of the courses that I play, none of the other golfers see this person as anything other than…well… a “black-eye” on our hobby. Of course, a positive interaction between the two parties could alleviate any concerns, and possibly change the golfer’s opinions about detectorists, buuuuuuuuuuuuut, that’s not the World we currently live in. And even if close to 99% of the golfers were courteous and couldn’t care less about the MD’r, it only takes that 1 or 2 % to raise a stink.”
Now, notice that what I am actually claiming is that some of the golfers on the course might very well view the MD’er as giving the hobby a “black eye” if for no other reason than simply because they’re doing it on a Golf Course. I absolutely did not start with your ridiculous premise, even though that’s the only portion you posted in
BOLD print and then stopped, thereby ignoring the additional information I wrote.
What I did was to explain why a golfer may view our hobby in a negative way, nothing more. So please stop accusing me of stating things I have not stated.
Sure. And the same addage can be applied at other places we detect too. If we can agree that "99% of passerbys can care less", yet : It's still our obligation to worry about the 1% that does.
I did not say that we have to worry about them. I simply said that they are the ones that raise a stink.
Tom, when trying to critique something, keeping it in context is important.
And get their permission, approval, convert them, etc.... Right ?
And again you’re being disingenuous and making silly statements just so you can attempt to score points.
If so, then I disagree with you. If the day ever came when it's our obligation to "convert every last person " (before engaging in our hobby) is the day we all might as well give up md'ing.
See my previous statement, Mr. Hyperbole.
There will ALWAYS be someone (the 1% that we both agree that exists) that doesn't like md'ing. Eg.: Archies, karen's etc....
Yep. And sometimes they will complain and possibly get metal detecting banned from certain areas. So, as it turns out, “No one cared until someone asked” isn’t necessarily the be all-end all to bans being implemented, right?
Oh, and I’d be tacitly compliant if I didn’t address your “Archies hate detectorists” statement. I know a few archeologists and I really don’t get the same vibe from them that you do. I’ve even had one of them provide locations for me to metal detect. Maybe it’s you Tom…maybe they just don’t like you?
Once your out there a quick sweep or two around the tees and benches should be OK. just play it cool.
