Vaccine Mandate

[amc rulz]

Dont get the shot, that's your choice. You have the freedom to make that choice. But if your employer mandates it, and you refuse, obviously you will be looking for a new job. I would not want to start all over at work, that's for sure.

Agreed. This is why I gave up an $85k telecom job and took early retirement last year at 58. I knew what was coming. Not everyone will have that opportunity.

 

[Cherry Picker]

I hate hospitals... always have hated them. Hospitals are necessary for lots of things.
I might have had Measles
Had Mumps
Had Chickenpox...then later had Shingles
Always had Cooties when I was younger
I knew someone that had Diptheria when he was 4 years old.... and died when in his 90s

I will pass on any shot, if it is tested or not.

I hate going to hospitals myself, but they are a necessary evil at times.

The vaccination does not mean no one will get the virus, but it no longer is the deadly pandemic it was before the vaccination.

Getting the vaccination is a choice, just as your boss has the choice to make it a mandate. They have other people to worry about besides themselves. I got the vaccination because unlike many complaining about having to get one, I am at the high end of mortality rates. I see people making the misleading statement about "the virus only has a 99.7% mortality rate" when for me it is an 84.7%. Yeah, a bit more of a problem for me.

 

[Rudy]

Dont get the shot, that's your choice. You have the freedom to make that choice. But if your employer mandates it, and you refuse, obviously you will be looking for a new job. I would not want to start all over at work, that's for sure.

Speaking of other vaccine mandates....

Google and Facebook announced they will require U.S. employees to be vaccinated against the coronavirus before returning to the company's offices, the tech giants said on Wednesday.
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/28/1021...for-workers-pushes-back-return-to-office-date

The Union Square Hospitality Group will require staff and guests at its dine-in restaurants in NYC and DC to be vaccinated.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...inations-for-staff-and-for-customers/3184106/

The Federal government is close to mandating vaccinations of federal employees and contractors, or undergo weekly testing.

 

[davedude]

Just throwing my .02 out. I respect everyone's right to do what they wish.
I think the federal government has no authority under the Constitution to be able to tell me what I can or cannot put in my body. This was true in the US up to about 1900 or so. Sadly since then things have changed for the un-constitutional worse and now the fedgov has grown into an un constitutional monster and wants to control everything.
Early on in the covid crisis it was clear to me there were problems with both the untested repurposed gene therapy serums being offered as "vaccines" and the denial of early treatments.
We still see the huge bias and pressure to accept the untested(no FDA approval) gene therapy serums labeled "vaccines" and no pressure at all for any early treatments not requiring a "vaccine". Should not all options be used against this thing?
Seems "guidance" is still to either get the gene therapy serum or wait to get infected and take your chances. This is very disturbing to me because early treatments can now stop pretty much anybody from getting covid or reduce the symptoms and aid recovery from covid.
Rather than understand reluctance to play russian roulette with some untested gene therapy serum with zero history of success and eagerly share early treatment and prophylaxis options that are out there and proven to work we have seen authorities go totalitarian (nothing could be less American IMHO) and demand citizens submit to the gene therapy shots.
The news concerning the gene therapy serums gets worse over time. Deaths, adverse reactions, microclotting, breakthrough, etc..etc... are concerning and not likely to entice me to go that route. Over time we will see the results of the big gene therapy experiment and I pray it is not as bad as I fear it will be.
Without help from anyone but myself I've enacted early treatment/prophylaxis using ivermectin and a daily nebulization treatment along with nutritional supplements. I'm confident I'm not going to have any covid problems. I have the HCQ cocktail standing by as well. I contacted the Americas frontline doctors group and got the prescriptions through them.
Why are not all options being "pushed"? Especially since it is proven that early treatments/prophylaxis can save lives? Without adverse effects and death? Ivermectin kills no one. The gene therapy serum has killed and maimed thousands and thousands that we know of.

 

[Cherry Picker]

(no FDA approval)

I don't get this. I keep seeing this like the vaccines were not FDA approved when they had to be before they were authorized for use?


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html

"COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. COVID-19 vaccines were evaluated in tens of thousands of participants in clinical trials. The vaccines met the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) rigorous scientific standards for safety, effectiveness, and manufacturing"

 

[Silver Strike]

Amen Davedude. The big pharm bought the fda and government a long time ago. Just look at the FDA's and CDC's board of directors and where they worked before and who they are in bed with. This has been nothing more than a money grab from the beginning with the world's population as their pawns.

 

[amc rulz]

I don't get this. I keep seeing this like the vaccines were not FDA approved when they had to be before they were authorized for use?


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html

"COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. COVID-19 vaccines were evaluated in tens of thousands of participants in clinical trials. The vaccines met the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) rigorous scientific standards for safety, effectiveness, and manufacturing"

Paragraph below, Emergency Use Authorization.

 

[Barry]

I hate hospitals... always have hated them. Hospitals are necessary for lots of things.
I might have had Measles
Had Mumps
Had Chickenpox...then later had Shingles
Always had Cooties when I was younger
I knew someone that had Diptheria when he was 4 years old.... and died when in his 90s

I will pass on any shot, if it is tested or not.

How did you get thru grade school..?

 

[longbow62]

It's easier to brainwash people than to convince them they've been brainwashed. And today's COVID-brainwashed are deeply committed to staying that way. It's unbelievable.

None of these vaccines went through the normal process of being approved. That's not to say they should not be allowed to be used right now. The thing is they are being pushed on to people who really have little to fear from COVID. I think it's kind of dumb for non-elderly healthy people to line up for a shot that may limit a bad outcome from COVID when it would be extremely rare for those same people to even have had a bad outcome from COVID if they did contract it.

There is approximately 110,000 people that live in my county. 189 have died with or from COVID. It's pretty safe to say of these deaths an overwhelming number were either very old or not in the best of health to begin with. I'm not drinking the kool-aid and lining up for a jab because 189 out 110,000 plus population have succumbed to what for the overwhelming majority is a minor illness.

 

[Rudy]

The thing is they are being pushed on to people who really have little to fear from COVID. I think it's kind of dumb for non-elderly healthy people to line up for a shot that may limit a bad outcome from COVID when it would be extremely rare for those same people to even have had a bad outcome from COVID if they did contract it.

Google "Paulina Velasquez".

 

[Silver Strike]

Another meme to add nothing.

 

[longbow62]

Paragraph below, Emergency Use Authorization.

What they don't tell you is in the vaccine trails they used mainly younger healthy individuals. Not the age bracket or people with severe underlying conditions most prone to have bad outcomes from COVID. No wonder it was 95% effective! Plus what they mean by effective was for a certain number of weeks. Not many months or years. Hence now suggesting boosters for everyone. Again no thank you I'll pass.

 

[longbow62]

Google "Paulina Velasquez".

I googled it. The young woman is rare outlier far removed from the norm. If this was anywhere near common in all age groups I would be in line for a shot. The thing is it's not so I won't be. I'll repeat myself here. If you look at the COVID death curve it mirrors age related mortality. The slope of the curve is slowly sloping and gradual until you hit the age group the elderly fall into. I have said repeatedly if you are in the age bracket most affected or have health issues by all means if you want the vaccines take them.

Also it appears this young woman is over weight for age. Obesity is a major co-morbidity. The article says healthy young woman. That may or may not be true.

 

[metaladdict]

You guys!

 

[amc rulz]

You guys!

Yeah I think this thread has definitely run it’s course.

 

[KOB]

What they don't tell you is in the vaccine trails they used mainly younger healthy individuals. Not the age bracket or people with severe underlying conditions most prone to have bad outcomes from COVID. No wonder it was 95% effective! Plus what they mean by effective was for a certain number of weeks. Not many months or years. Hence now suggesting boosters for everyone. Again no thank you I'll pass.

In case your head has been in the sand (which there are many like my neighbor who never watches the news) it's called Operation Warp Speed. The alternative is waiting the standard 10 years or so for normal testing procedures and approval. Operation Warp Speed has never been attempted and accomplished before. NEVER ! Could you imagine how many more would have died if this wasn't done ? Now as far as long term effects , that's anybody's guess. But we needed SOMETHING here and now.

 

[metaladdict]

Hmm interesting why we are letting flights in from Peru with the lambda varient? Shouldn't we halt all foreign flights again now??

 

[Silver Strike]

This is the only vaccine that needs mandated; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AJuIL0w6-gc

 

[longbow62]

In case your head has been in the sand (which there are many like my neighbor who never watches the news) it's called Operation Warp Speed. The alternative is waiting the standard 10 years or so for normal testing procedures and approval. Operation Warp Speed has never been attempted and accomplished before. NEVER ! Could you imagine how many more would have died if this wasn't done ? Now as far as long term effects , that's anybody's guess. But we needed SOMETHING here and now.

I never said we should wait. You didn't read my post close enough. I said for those in the groups most effected by COVID bad outcomes it might not be a bad idea to get vaccinated. It's those who do not fall into the age related or numerous co-morbidity groups who I think probably really don't need a vaccine and should not be badgered, pushed, or forced into getting one.

I'm all for people doing what they think is best for them.

 

[Cherry Picker]

Paragraph below, Emergency Use Authorization.

Was it not cleared for use by the FDA? No doubt it was emergency use, doesn't mean they still don't test and verify for safe use it before they approve it.

I think what a lot of people refuse to acknowledge is that it isn't all about you. The protection is for those around you as well. That means your choice also affects those around you.

Also, people don't realize there is more they're not aware of because they are hearing only what they want. Do most of you know that the main concern about the new Delta variant isn't so much that it is more spreadable, but that if you catch it, you're more likely to create and spread another new variant, and start the process all over again. That is where a lot of the danger is.