The FBI Files: Dents Run Civil War Gold

[FreeBirdTim]

What those guys on Facebook don't understand is that Tom loves to debate! The more you harass him, the more he will pick apart your point of view! They have no idea who they are dealing with!

 

[ucnegold?]

I think Tom's posting on FB is brilliant and comes at the most opportunistic time.

You know FK is basking in the glory of his Unexplained appearance and his FB page was on life support until this recent flurry of activity. I'm sure there is gnashing of teeth when he reads the truth but he probably just can't bring himself to delete the post when so many are blindly coming to his defense, for this is what he loves the most. Make no mistake FK loves the attention.

Afterall, its been a while since there has been any real debate of the subject since they shut it down over there. My guess is he will keep the post up until the number of naysayers begins to favor the truth. Then it will be gone!

This is where Tom's FB post is brilliant. When FK shuts it down, all who follow that page now will know FK's sensitivity to the light of truth. As Tom implies, if FK's claims had any merit, he should welcome the debate. The longer that post is up, the better chance that some may actually link over here to learn the truth.

I agree with GoDeep. More links to specific facts should be inserted in the FB post. There is an avalanche of factual evidence supporting "No Gold" found or ever existing.

Do they even know the entire FBI file is available? Do they even know the very technology used to guesstimate the presence of gold was only speculative at best? Do they know there are pictures with proof of the excavator sitting idle during the supposed hours of "night dig"? Do they know the diesel engine, John Deere utvs used to patrol the scene at night resemble the sound of a working excavator and are equipped with bright spotlights which would "light up the mountain"? I don't think anybody can call the eyewitness lady a liar, but there are factual explanations for the sights and sounds she experienced that evening and the FBI file contains this information.

One undeniable fact we all should consider is sometimes people just don't want the truth.

 

[SS_Wonder]

Did parada say, “ya” a lot?

 

[GoDeep]

I think Tom's posting on FB is brilliant and comes at the most opportunistic time.

You know FK is basking in the glory of his Unexplained appearance and his FB page was on life support until this recent flurry of activity. I'm sure there is gnashing of teeth when he reads the truth but he probably just can't bring himself to delete the post when so many are blindly coming to his defense, for this is what he loves the most. Make no mistake FK loves the attention.

Afterall, its been a while since there has been any real debate of the subject since they shut it down over there. My guess is he will keep the post up until the number of naysayers begins to favor the truth. Then it will be gone!

This is where Tom's FB post is brilliant. When FK shuts it down, all who follow that page now will know FK's sensitivity to the light of truth. As Tom implies, if FK's claims had any merit, he should welcome the debate. The longer that post is up, the better chance that some may actually link over here to learn the truth.

I agree with GoDeep. More links to specific facts should be inserted in the FB post. There is an avalanche of factual evidence supporting "No Gold" found or ever existing.

Do they even know the entire FBI file is available? Do they even know the very technology used to guesstimate the presence of gold was only speculative at best? Do they know there are pictures with proof of the excavator sitting idle during the supposed hours of "night dig"? Do they know the diesel engine, John Deere utvs used to patrol the scene at night resemble the sound of a working excavator and are equipped with bright spotlights which would "light up the mountain"? I don't think anybody can call the eyewitness lady a liar, but there are factual explanations for the sights and sounds she experienced that evening and the FBI file contains this information.

One undeniable fact we all should consider is sometimes people just don't want the truth.

You hit it on the head my friend...

 

[rogueaviation]

Just like the guys at Oak Island, and the newest ones at Adak Island, Finders Keepers was able to find gold after all. Even if all of what any of these folks claimed, said, or discovered was based on partial truths or suppositions, they struck it rich nonetheless.

Their treasure just happens to be TV rights and the kind of celebrity that affords a person just enough credibility to make "reality shows" for a living.

As for me, I'd rather watch Gypsy or Nugget Noggin, Dr Tones or Jeff Williams. They tell the truth while being thoroughly entertaining, and I appreciate those qualities.

Other people want to believe in buried treasures that might not have even existed. And that's okay too.

I'm guilty of it too, though. I've read and reread the New Orleans Mint stories and found that to be an enthralling tale!

Anyhow, this thread is still amazing. We need to get one up for every treasure show!

--Matt

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I think Tom's posting on FB is brilliant......

You hit it on the head my friend...

Thanx for the kind words fellas.

..... One undeniable fact we all should consider is sometimes people just don't want the truth.

Yes: Sometimes it's not facts and intellectual debate that solve matters. Even though every one of us claims to make their decisions and opinions based on intellectual merit, yet .... we are often-time merely following our emotions. And pushing logic to the side. Human nature I guess.

..... Their treasure just happens to be TV rights and the kind of celebrity that....

A few things Matt :

I don't fault Dennis for wanting or enjoying fame for some supposed feat of accomplishment. We all love show & tell in this hobby. But the issue here (of course), is: WAS THERE ANY "ACCOMPLISHMENT" in the first place ?

And a part of me thinks that Dennis & gang actually believe in this whole "stolen" and "conspiracy" narrative. Ie.: That Dennis is not actually lying. But that he actually believes this.

Now HOW IN THE WORLD someone can turn a blind eye to all the better explanations, and outright refutations, is beyond me. I guess it's like ucnegold says : People just prefer fantasies. It's more "fun". So we put common sense and reason aside.

 

[rogueaviation]

Tom,
I'm with you, Man. I agree that it appears as though the only thing that was accomplished was to whip up a story and get many, many people to believe it. Being passionate and persistent can generate all kinds of attention, governmental and otherwise.


As to your second point, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I think Dennis actually does believe what he is saying. You can call it confirmation bias, or mass psychogenic effect, or something else. I don't think these folks are lying, I agree that it looks like they actually believe that they had found a bonanza of Confederate gold and that trove was stolen by government agents.
--Matt

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... You can call it confirmation bias, or mass psychogenic effect, or something else. I don't think these folks are lying, I agree that it looks like they actually believe that they had found a bonanza ....

Yes. And this is what fascinates me (my unhealthy interest) : Is the psychological component of : "What causes otherwise logical sentient people to put common sense aside when it comes to treasure stories ?"

I asked my own self this question, when I got swept up into a 3 week TH'ing hunt in the sierra Madres of Mexico, in the early 1990s. And I realized that it's the psychology of :

"No one wants to be laughed at all the way to the bank".

 

[rogueaviation]

Tom,
I think you're right! Isn't that why we all keep buying lottery tickets too? 1.9 BILLION is too much treasure to just "walk away from"!


--Matt

Yes. And this is what fascinates me (my unhealthy interest) : Is the psychological component of : "What causes otherwise logical sentient people to put common sense aside when it comes to treasure stories ?"

I asked my own self this question, when I got swept up into a 3 week TH'ing hunt in the sierra Madres of Mexico, in the early 1990s. And I realized that it's the psychology of :

"No one wants to be laughed at all the way to the bank".

 

[SS_Wonder]

I personally do not believe fk actually believes his fiction. He has attempted the same game with many other “finds” in his attempts to land a cable tv show.

When public interest wanes, the finds are quickly forgotten.

 

[rogueaviation]

That could be, I didn't know he's had a long line of tall tales.

I personally do not believe fk actually believes his fiction. He has attempted the same game with many other “finds” in his attempts to land a cable tv show.

When public interest wanes, the finds are quickly forgotten.

 

[GoDeep]

I personally do not believe fk actually believes his fiction. He has attempted the same game with many other “finds” in his attempts to land a cable tv show.

When public interest wanes, the finds are quickly forgotten.

I'm in agreement with you. I have little doubt that prior to the dig, he believed something was there. But there is some big red flag to him that he hasn't shared with anyone that indicates there was no gold there as he admitted just this summer, he was still "willing to work with the FBI" again. Realizing his mistake, the post was quickly deleted, but i screen captured it before it was deleted.

There is no world in which a man spends several years trashing the FBI, claiming they were liars, cheats and thieves and then says, oh, by the way, "I'm willing to work with the FBI" again on future digs!

 

[Tom_in_CA]

....
There is no world in which a man spends several years trashing the FBI, claiming they were liars, cheats and thieves and then says, oh, by the way, "I'm willing to work with the FBI" again on future digs! .....

Perhaps he'd say : "... because it's public land, and digging is forbidden otherwise", blah blah Ie.: " We just have to work with the devil".

But even if he said that, it would still make no sense, because : Gee, I though a treasure was ALREADY dug and stolen. Thus .... nothing left to dig for, eh ? This has holes no matter how you look at it !

 

[GoDeep]

Perhaps he'd say : "... because it's public land, and digging is forbidden otherwise", blah blah Ie.: " We just have to work with the devil".

But even if he said that, it would still make no sense, because : Gee, I though a treasure was ALREADY dug and stolen. Thus .... nothing left to dig for, eh ? This has holes no matter how you look at it !

And one of those possible holes, is his own admission that his post dig scans may be wrong (he posted that he scanned the area after the dig and got no hits) and that the FBI dig may have missed the gold and it's still up there. Well, if you think it's possible the gold is still there, it by default, means you believe the FBI wasn't lying when they said they found no gold!

And another hole is that we've uncovered that he himself is forging and misrepresenting the evidence as well as making multiple knowingly false statements and engaging in his own coverup of the evidence. Someone who truly believes something, wouldn't find it necessary to do that.

 

[FreeBirdTim]

Dennis making money off his tall tale by getting a TV show to pay him for that tale is one thing. If they're dumb enough to pay him for a BS story, good for him. What bugs me is his website. He's offering his treasure hunting service (for pay) on the back of all his tall tales of found treasure when he's actually found jack squat. To me, that's fraud, plain and simple. I still think someone should drop a dime to the PA attorney general and get his opinion on whether or not what he's doing is a fraudulent activity.


Here's what his home page states. Since he's never actually found ANY treasure, he shouldn't be claiming that he did to convince people to hire him.

Finders Keepers is a lost treasure locate and recovery service. We use to focus our attention only on lost treasure sites on American soil but have recently expanded to Canada. In our first 2 years of business we located 3 of the largest lost treasure sites in Pa. For us finding sites is a fun challenge, the hardest part is convincing the authorities of our accomplishments.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... What bugs me is his website. He's offering his treasure hunting service (for pay) on the back of all his tall tales of found treasure when he's actually found jack squat. To me, that's fraud, plain and simple. .....

Yes Tim. But what you're forgetting, is their warped sense of the word "found". They define it in various strange ways :

1) If someone feels that they've pinned down the location of a treasure to a "certain swamp" or a "certain cave" or a "certain valley", etc.... Then presto, they've "found" (past tense) a treasure. EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVEN'T DUG IT UP YET ! Even though they've never seen a red cent yet.

Because gee, now it's merely a matter of getting equipment to drain the swamp. Or heavy equipment to dig 100 ft. deep. Or to overcome govt. hurdles and regulations. Blah blah blah. But rest assured, they've "found" (past tense) a treasure.

2) They most certainly "found" (past tense) a treasure, but .... shucks .... someone came and stole it during the night. But rest assured, they "found" (past tense) a treasure.


So: If you allow yourself to abuse the word "found" like this, then sure, they "found" a treasure.

 

[GoDeep]

Court Order 11/7/22

ORDER entering the following schedule for further proceedings in this matter: (1) Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment shall be filed on or before December 21, 2022; (2) Plaintiff's Opposition to Defendant's Motion shall be filed on or before January 11, 2023; and (3) Defendant's Reply shall be filed on or before February 1, 2023. See the attached Order for additional details. Signed by Judge Amit P. Mehta on 11/7/2022. (lcapm1)

Basically, the judge met them in the middle. Plaintiff wanted it wrapped up by the end of the year, Defendant wanted it wrapped up by April. Now we wait.

 

[Pete e]

Yes Tim. But what you're forgetting, is their warped sense of the word "found". They define it in various strange ways :

1) If someone feels that they've pinned down the location of a treasure to a "certain swamp" or a "certain cave" or a "certain valley", etc.... Then presto, they've "found" (past tense) a treasure. EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVEN'T DUG IT UP YET ! Even though they've never seen a red cent yet.

Because gee, now it's merely a matter of getting equipment to drain the swamp. Or heavy equipment to dig 100 ft. deep. Or to overcome govt. hurdles and regulations. Blah blah blah. But rest assured, they've "found" (past tense) a treasure.

2) They most certainly "found" (past tense) a treasure, but .... shucks .... someone came and stole it during the night. But rest assured, they "found" (past tense) a treasure.


So: If you allow yourself to abuse the word "found" like this, then sure, they "found" a treasure.

Don't forget they have scans that "prove" the treasure is ( or was) there. To them, these scans further legitimises their claims to have " found" treasure...

 

[rogueaviation]

Are there copies of the scans available online, through court documents or screen shots or otherwise?

Anyone seen them?

--Matt

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Court Order 11/7/22.....

My prediction is that : Any such dates , or talks with judges, will be seen as "fabulous treasure". It will be molded as "cliff-hangers"

Don't forget they have scans that "prove" the treasure is ( or was) there. To them, these scans further legitimises their claims to have " found" treasure...

Sure. And I can go out and get a "beep" in my own back yard with my detector. Or my bottle digging buddy can get an image on his GPR and we too can announce that this proves "treasure". Who can argue with my beep or blotchy blur image . HUH ? Huh ?