Questions for Legend owners

[Diga]

So just because you have mild ground does not me it is all mild if your mineral meter goes up be mindful your hunting hotter ground in mild ground . sube

That could very well be what I encountered Sube.

Now that you mentioned it, the ground was kind of different at that beach, compared to all the other beaches I've hunted in my area. The beaches in my area don't have fine sand....it's more like fine gravel lol. This beach had unnatural patches of fine sand, as though it was brought in and poured there a long time ago. It could very well be that whatever was in that fine sand, was causing the falsing (coupled with my max sensitivity).

 

[jmaclen]

I have ran the CTX since it came out always knew I was getting in tough ground the sensitivity would drop .
If you ran in auto sensitivity it would drop from 23 to 19 .
Yet I have mild ground to moderate but mostly tame it was not till I got a deus 2 and the mineral meter prove it .
When I would hit the same place where there were rotten bottle caps I mean these are almost gone the deus 2 mineral would go up .
Thus proving what I was seeing all along but had no way to verify it .
So just because you have mild ground does not me it is all mild if your mineral meter goes up be mindful your hunting hotter ground in mild ground . sube

Running the CTX here the auto sensitivity never got above 12 and similar with the Etrac. That is probably why target IDs up averaged and wrapped around so quickly. Switching to manual sensitivity was a no go due to ground noise and the CTX Target Trace would start to look like a Jackson Pollack painting.

Iron mineralization here is from naturally occurring magnetite. Add that to decomposing man-made iron and things get fun quick.

 

[too_pointer]

Running the CTX here the auto sensitivity never got above 12 and similar with the Etrac. That is probably why target IDs up averaged and wrapped around so quickly. Switching to manual sensitivity was a no go due to ground noise and the CTX Target Trace would start to look like a Jackson Pollack painting.

Iron mineralization here is from naturally occurring magnetite. Add that to decomposing man-made iron and things get fun qu

The topic was the Legend ?

 

[Dave_e]

Hopefully the Legend has a hidden tweak/setting that will get ferro check working for targets deeper than 5 inches.
The Nokta Impact and Fisher FPulse both have "undocumented features".

 

[sube]

The topic was the Legend ?

The person asked why the 60 ID since I don't own a legend and most detectors act the same in this situation I only used the CTX as a comparison .sube

 

[stetam]

The person asked why the 60 ID since I don't own a legend and most detectors act the same in this situation I only used the CTX as a comparison .sube

I was referring to the original topic which was about the Legend. Never ever seen a coin give a 60 VDI on a Legend. And I hunt highly mineralized soil.

Steve

 

[jmaclen]

Hopefully the Legend has a hidden tweak/setting that will get ferro check working for targets deeper than 5 inches.
The Nokta Impact and Fisher FPulse both have "undocumented features".

That would be awesome. I have not seen that happen however. About 5" depth on coin sized to 3" nail sized iron is what I have experienced too.

 

[jmaclen]

The topic was the Legend ?

Still is.

 

[Scalz]

Great stuff for us Legend owners. Thanks.

 

[markinmichigan]

I was referring to the original topic which was about the Legend. Never ever seen a coin give a 60 VDI on a Legend. And I hunt highly mineralized soil.

Steve

As some may have noticed, I dig a lot of clad, I have no problem going a foot down (hoping for a bucket lister solid silver platter) and I have never dug a 60 VDI coin. It's always been a chunk of metal/scrap. BUT anything is possible so I can not dismiss others experiences. Keep swinging.

Mark in Michigan

 

[markinswpa]

I was referring to the original topic which was about the Legend. Never ever seen a coin give a 60 VDI on a Legend. And I hunt highly mineralized soil.

Steve

Steve, Over here on the left side of the state For me and other md'rs I talk to it seems a deep coin is around the 7-8 inch mark. With the occasional holy cow I can't believe that dime was that deep. 10+ or more. I like all metal and usually, 90% of the time the ground iron is maxed out. I always assumed that was mineralization and what was keeping us from finding the deeper stuff. Not necessarily. One of the Legend's selling point for me was the mineralization meter. And if I'm to believe the meter and I have no reason not to, just about everywhere I hunt shows 2 bars or less so pretty mild dirt. But conditions still seem to make the deeper targets less achievable and skew the signal and play hell with target Id. Especially copper pennies and clad dimes. The wrap around that I have found on the Legend 59-60 the 900 98-99 and the 800 39-40 most times the signal will be louder and sharper. Its that smooth round tone you want to listen for. So far It has happened to me with the Legend several times. Most times it seems you'll get a good tone from only one direction but with a smooth tone I dig and have been rewarded with a coin. I can say it has happened more times so far with the Legend than it did in the year I used the 900. The 800 it happened a good deal. 3 I remember clearly were stop you in your tracks smooth no doubt coin tones hitting 39-40. One was the same from three directions, a Merc at about 5 inches. Another Merc was good in one direction but the signal dropped pretty good and fell apart in the other two directions. The third was in one direction only. Nothing as I circled the signal. My buddy with the Etrac could not pick it up either. But I still got a sweet 39 -40 from one direction. It was an 1899 Ihp almost a foot down.
So my friend don't discount those wrap around numbers but try to listen for that softer high tone, you might just get a surprise. Good luck. Mark

 

[Retiredsailor]

1. What VDI signals do you totally ignore? I ignore all under 11 (most in the mid to high 30s are garbage for me)

2. What in the world is in the ground with a 60 VDI? For me it's something big or very close to the surface.

3. What coil do you prefer? I like the 11" for fields and large areas , the LG 24 is my fav for cherry picking.

4. What discrimination pattern are you using? I run F because I got tired of digging rust and I don't look for relics.

5. What number of tones do you hunt with? I'm a 6 tone guy, the machine gets too noisy and I get distracted with 60.

Thanks and look forward to your advice and comments.

Mark in Michigan

Just got the legend and I’ve only found a few quarters that hit around 50, haven’t had a 60 yet hopefully it’s silver.

 

[markinmichigan]

Just got the legend and I’ve only found a few quarters that hit around 50, haven’t had a 60 yet hopefully it’s silver.

Quarters should hit around 52 to 55 for me. Dimes 47 to 50. What coils do you have?

Mark in Michigan

 

[Retiredsailor]

I have the stock 11” that came with it but may buy a smaller one

 

[markinmichigan]

I have the stock 11” that came with it but may buy a smaller one

It really is much deeper of a coil than the smaller ones. I went over a couple of areas that I detected with LG24 and the 6" coil and found that the 11" is a deep seeker. Each has its benefits.

I noticed that you gave up on the 900, you liking the Legend?

Mark in Michigan

 

[Retiredsailor]

It really is much deeper of a coil than the smaller ones. I went over a couple of areas that I detected with LG24 and the 6" coil and found that the 11" is a deep seeker. Each has its benefits.

I noticed that you gave up on the 900, you liking the Legend?

Mark in Michigan

I had a 800 nox it was good but sold it and got the 900 bundle on Black Friday for $964. I returned the 900 found it to be too erratic, numbers bouncing all over the place no matter what I did, had to run the sensitivity below 10. I had a simplex before it was ok, everyone was praising how good the legend is so I went for the lower price. So far so good still haven’t had a lot of time to use it, weather been bad lately in NY.

 

[RobNC]

2. What in the world is in the ground with a 60 VDI? For me it's something big or very close to the surface.

3. What coil do you prefer? I like the 11" for fields and large areas , the LG 24 is my fav for cherry picking.



5. What number of tones do you hunt with? I'm a 6 tone guy, the machine gets too noisy and I get distracted with 60.

Thanks and look forward to your advice and comments.

Mark in Michigan

Just got the Legend yesterday so I can't be of much help except on a certain few of your questions.
2) I seen this yesterday. The first time I didn't dig it. The second time I did and it turned out to be a half of a broken horse shoe. So far, 50/50 chance it's big iron in my experience of a whopping 1 day/4 hrs.

3) I'd like a fair chance to evaluate a known-good LG24. the new one I ordered along with my Legend seems to be defective (chirps when it is moved/bumped). The LG30 I tested about an hour today and was a world of difference. Very stable, not chatting/giving falses like the LG24 was. I really need the LG24 to work, but waiting to see how it will be handled by Nokta. In no plane of reality should a larger coil be more stable than a smaller one. But that is what has happened to me.

5) I've tried 4 and 6 tone. I like both. I agree with you, the 60 is a bit much. And the Dp is maddening. 1 and 2 tone is just not enough. I like simple but that is just too much room for junk.

So far from what I have seen, Even something ringing up as 46 can be junk. When I ground balance the number settles around 45-47. Not sure if that is considered bad ground or not but it may be playing a role.

 

[markinmichigan]

Just got the Legend yesterday so I can't be of much help except on a certain few of your questions.
2) I seen this yesterday. The first time I didn't dig it. The second time I did and it turned out to be a half of a broken horse shoe. So far, 50/50 chance it's big iron in my experience of a whopping 1 day/4 hrs.

It has always been a big chunk of rusted iron.

3) I'd like a fair chance to evaluate a known-good LG24. the new one I ordered along with my Legend seems to be defective (chirps when it is moved/bumped). The LG30 I tested about an hour today and was a world of difference. Very stable, not chatting/giving falses like the LG24 was. I really need the LG24 to work, but waiting to see how it will be handled by Nokta. In no plane of reality should a larger coil be more stable than a smaller one. But that is what has happened to me.

Sorry to hear about the LG30. It's a deepseeker coil. The LG24 is like a sharp shooter in close quarters. But from my experience not as deep.

5) I've tried 4 and 6 tone. I like both. I agree with you, the 60 is a bit much. And the Dp is maddening. 1 and 2 tone is just not enough. I like simple but that is just too much room for junk.

I tried the 1 tone and it's not for me. 6 is just about right.

So far from what I have seen, Even something ringing up as 46 can be junk. When I ground balance the number settles around 45-47. Not sure if that is considered bad ground or not but it may be playing a role.

Your ground balance will settle at different values depending on the soils. I bounce it until it settles. A clean 46 VDI typically is a penny or a dime on its side.

I'll look forward to your experiences with the Legend and please ask questions! Had mine just over a year and I learn something new almost every time I go out.

Mark in Michigan

 

[Jose159]

After a few hours on the Legend (Lg24) I realized that if I want to avoid iron falsing I need to keep the iron filter no lower than 6. I realize now why Nokta has the default IF setting at 8 .Even at 5 I had significant falsing in trashy areas. Overall I am liking the Legend and using it often along with my Nox 900. The only time I have seen the 60 vdi is when I bump the coil on a log or rock...lol

 

[Diga]

After a few hours on the Legend (Lg24) I realized that if I want to avoid iron falsing I need to keep the iron filter no lower than 6. I realize now why Nokta has the default IF setting at 8 .Even at 5 I had significant falsing in trashy areas. Overall I am liking the Legend and using it often along with my Nox 900. The only time I have seen the 60 vdi is when I bump the coil on a log or rock...lol

My backyard is blanketed with screws, nuts, bolts, and various types of nails. When I run my IF at around 6 or higher, most of the iron falsing is gone. However, I still run my IF at 0 most of the time, because there is a huge difference in iron unmasking performance between 0 and 6 or higher. The sweet spot for the IF where most of the iron unmasking difference comes in, is at 4-5

Ruining such a low IF, will of course introduce more iron falsing. That iron falsing can normally be identified by doing a short wiggle over the target. If Ferrocheck shows bars on the ferrous side, and no bars on the nonferrous side, then the target is almost guaranteed to be iron.