POLL - How would you feel if they stopped making pennies ?

That makes no sense whatsoever. How does eliminating the cent affect the sales tax rate?



We already have a largely cashless society. If you have money in the bank, it's not sitting there as a pile of cash, it is there as a digital record. Same if you have retirement funds invested in stocks. Personally, I haven't carried cash in years. I pay for everything with the card, then pay off the card every month, all done with digital transactions, no cash. The only exception is when I hit a yard sale, or when I go to Canada to ice skate, because the rink only accepts cash, and only Canadian. I suspect a whole lot of people are now cashless.
I am with you Carl!

I go to a small family run place that have the best tacos in town but they only take cash. That is almost the only place I use cash. Credit card for everything else.

The one thing I don't do are things like ApplePay, Venmo or any other of those types payment methods. Made a purchase the other day and they said Venmo only and I said no thanks, so they reluctantly took my card.
 
That makes no sense whatsoever. How does eliminating the cent affect the sales tax rate?
My take on this far fetched claim, say you buy something for $1 and the total, with tax, is $1.06. Without pennies you couldn't pay $1.06, so the gov would be "forced" to increase the tax rate to 10% so people could pay [instead of doing the obvious and reduce it to 5%]

We already have a largely cashless society. If you have money in the bank, it's not sitting there as a pile of cash, it is there as a digital record. Same if you have retirement funds invested in stocks. Personally, I haven't carried cash in years. I pay for everything with the card, then pay off the card every month, all done with digital transactions, no cash. The only exception is when I hit a yard sale, or when I go to Canada to ice skate, because the rink only accepts cash, and only Canadian. I suspect a whole lot of people are now cashless.
I'm the opposite, I pay cash for most everything. I sell things on fb marketplace and people are always asking if I take vermo, google pay, apple pay ect I say nope, just $$. I do have paypal that I use occasionally, I pay my bills online but thats about it, day to day cash is king for me and I typically have a wad up to $10k on hand
 
To answer the original question, I don't understand why cents are still being made. Even switching to a cheaper base metal (like steel), there is no way to make a cent for less than a cent. I've seen a few stores that refuse to take or give cents in a cash transaction, instead they round the final price up or down to the nearest nickel. For both the customer and the store, it all averages out in the long run.

A nickel is almost as bad, it cost over 11¢ each to make. Other countries (like Canada) have switched to steel as the base metal and that has been proposed in the US as well. No idea where that wound up. I would also like to see the end of the paper $1 and $5 bill, replaced with $1, $2, and $5 coins. I've always liked the gold dollar coins but they've been a failure because treasury kept printing paper dollars.
Nooooo not the nickel it has the same value of metal that a us quarter has but you only have to pay a nickle for a clad quarter worth of metal it is the only coin left that they mint that has more value than the cost of it to you .
They took your gold 1933
They took your silver 1964
They took your copper 1982
They took all the value of money from money WAS a store of value .
Now you want them to take the only coin they mint that has more value in metal than the cost of it to you .
The nickel is a store of value the rest of the coins have no store of value maybe in a 100 years they will be worth what is stamped on them .
They have almost stripped you clean of the value of money soon to make your money digital and completely valueless .
As to getting rid of the penny how are you going to get that .99 cent deal . lol sube
 
The one thing I don't do are things like ApplePay, Venmo or any other of those types payment methods.

I don't use those, either. I have one single credit card, 2% cash back on everything I buy, and paid off every month. Credit card companies don't like me. Out of curiosity, I've occasionally asked people if they take digital currency like Bitcoin (I don't own any), so far no one has said 'yes.' Which makes me wonder what good is Bitcoin and why would anyone own it? Sounds like self-aggrandizing nonsense that has no intrinsic value. But I digress.
 
I don't use those, either. I have one single credit card, 2% cash back on everything I buy, and paid off every month. Credit card companies don't like me. Out of curiosity, I've occasionally asked people if they take digital currency like Bitcoin (I don't own any), so far no one has said 'yes.' Which makes me wonder what good is Bitcoin and why would anyone own it? Sounds like self-aggrandizing nonsense that has no intrinsic value. But I digress.
Credit card company's love you every transaction you make they make money . sube
 
Credit card company's love you every transaction you make they make money . sube
That's right. They gouge the retailer on the swipe fee. To compensate, the retailers raise prices for us.

In Europe, the CC card swipe is regulated. In North America, with the unregulated CC racket, the swipe fee is about 10x more than it is in Europe.
 
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That refers more to post Imperial Germany in the aftermath of WW1 they were hammered with reparation payments then the depression came on, resulting in the collapse of their economy. May have taken a wheelbarrow full of marks to buy a loaf of bread but technically, they were still solvent until voted out of office in 1932, we all know what happened next.
After Nazi Germany collapsed their currencies were soon outright banned, they used US currency, US printed banknotes and bartering until they could replace the Nazi era Reichsmarks with the Deutsche Mark. Today of course they are historical, collectible and have silver content but for quite a while they were shunned and worthless.

To my knowledge Nazi Germany did not use a whole lot of paper currency, they printed up tons of occupation banknotes but their economy was mostly coinage

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That refers more to post Imperial Germany in the aftermath of WW1 they were hammered with reparation payments then the depression came on, resulting in the collapse of their economy. May have taken a wheelbarrow full of marks to buy a loaf of bread but technically, they were still solvent until voted out of office in 1932, we all know what happened next.
After Nazi Germany collapsed their currencies were soon outright banned, they used US currency, US printed banknotes and bartering until they could replace the Nazi era Reichsmarks with the Deutsche Mark. Today of course they are historical, collectible and have silver content but for quite a while they were shunned and worthless.

To my knowledge Nazi Germany did not use a whole lot of paper currency, they printed up tons of occupation banknotes but their economy was mostly coinage.
When your army is taking your conquered opponents gold and silver why not make REAL money paper money is an IOU that has to be backed by something of REAL value.lacking that you have to do what Kissinger did during the Nixon administration with the saudis n then opec.
 
My take on this far fetched claim, say you buy something for $1 and the total, with tax, is $1.06. Without pennies you couldn't pay $1.06, so the gov would be "forced" to increase the tax rate to 10% so people could pay [instead of doing the obvious and reduce it to 5%]


I'm the opposite, I pay cash for most everything. I sell things on fb marketplace and people are always asking if I take vermo, google pay, apple pay ect I say nope, just $$. I do have paypal that I use occasionally, I pay my bills online but thats about it, day to day cash is king for me and I typically have a wad up to $10k on hand
He (Carl-NC) is under the assumption that the tax rate wouldn't need to change because everyone would be utilizing the cashless system. If that were true, then he'd be right, but it won't be true as long as people like you and I are alive.

I haven't had a CC since '92. I don't want one and won't have one. If I don't have the cash to pay for something, then I don't buy it. Pretty simple concept, and totally foreign to those who live in a state of perpetual debt. Personally, I feel good knowing that I don't owe anyone anything.
 
He (Carl-NC) is under the assumption that the tax rate wouldn't need to change because everyone would be utilizing the cashless system. If that were true, then he'd be right, but it won't be true as long as people like you and I are alive.
Cash is only used about 15% of the time in the U.S. for the purchase of goods and services. That percentage is also quickly diminishing.

Further to that, for the very few transactions that are still done in cash, the U.S. can use a rounding method to make it a wash. For example:

When Canada stopped producing pennies in 2013, they implemented a rounding system for cash transactions to the nearest five-cent increment. Here’s how it works:

  • Amounts ending in 1 or 2 cents are rounded down to the nearest 10 cents.
  • Amounts ending in 3 or 4 cents are rounded up to the nearest 5 cents.
  • Amounts ending in 6 or 7 cents are rounded down to the nearest 5 cents.
  • Amounts ending in 8 or 9 cents are rounded up to the nearest 10 cents.
  • Amounts ending in 0 or 5 cents remain unchanged.
 
Cash is only used about 15% of the time in the U.S. for the purchase of goods and services. That percentage is also quickly diminishing.

Further to that, for the very few transactions that are still done in cash, the U.S. can use a rounding method to make it a wash. For example:

When Canada stopped producing pennies in 2013, they implemented a rounding system for cash transactions to the nearest five-cent increment. Here’s how it works:

  • Amounts ending in 1 or 2 cents are rounded down to the nearest 10 cents.
  • Amounts ending in 3 or 4 cents are rounded up to the nearest 5 cents.
  • Amounts ending in 6 or 7 cents are rounded down to the nearest 5 cents.
  • Amounts ending in 8 or 9 cents are rounded up to the nearest 10 cents.
  • Amounts ending in 0 or 5 cents remain unchanged.
That rounding system is what I described in my first post in this thread, only in many cases they won't round down. Several state governments are too greedy to do that. And unlike Canada, here it is up to each individual state, and in some cases even what city you're in.
 
That's not going to happen in my lifetime. A cashless society is nothing but fantasy at this point.

Only a fool would give up personal control over their money. Neither cyber security nor trust in government are anywhere near where it needs to be for any of that to happen, much less trust in the banks themselves.
Where I am if you go to an NFL game they do not accept cash at all.
 
That rounding system is what I described in my first post in this thread, only in many cases they won't round down. Several state governments are too greedy to do that. And unlike Canada, here it is up to each individual state, and in some cases even what city you're in.
Right, governments are not going to want to go down 1 cent ,, But I think there would be a massive backlash even from within their own party if they raised it 4 cents because they wouldn't go down 1 cent. You said "You know, this will happen if they ever eliminate pennies" and that is not an established fact, it remains to be seen what will happen and I think its a matter of time, pennies are going to go and no one but no one is going to miss them.
 
That rounding system is what I described in my first post in this thread, only in many cases they won't round down. Several state governments are too greedy to do that. And unlike Canada, here it is up to each individual state, and in some cases even what city you're in.
How could an individual state alter federal law?
 
I'm the opposite, I pay cash for most everything. I sell things on fb marketplace and people are always asking if I take vermo, google pay, apple pay ect I say nope, just $$. I do have paypal that I use occasionally, I pay my bills online but thats about it, day to day cash is king for me
Same here. Plus a lot of people never check if they get an extra charge for using credit. So if you use a credit card you are paying 3% more to get back 1.5 percent back. Plus I never trust where a waiter/waitress tip money is going if it's on a card anyway. Used to work in restaurants when I was young and saw some shady stuff happen to their tips.
 
Same here. Plus a lot of people never check if they get an extra charge for using credit. So if you use a credit card you are paying 3% more to get back 1.5 percent back. Plus I never trust where a waiter/waitress tip money is going if it's on a card anyway. Used to work in restaurants when I was young and saw some shady stuff happen to their tips.
I work at a convention center alot, they changed the parking to all card no cash is accepted, that really sucked for me but nothing I could do about it, just started using my debit. I looked at my bank account online and found out that they were double and triple charging me on many days, and its $20 to park. Others were too, we were of course furious and raised hell and it took months to get my money back, now every single time I go there, and sometimes I am there every day for weeks on end, I have to check to make sure they didn't scam me again, its for reasons like this that I don't like using cards. Also got ripped off by lottery machines, they charged me $50 and the machine said oops, there was a problem, please contact our support team. Its been months and I still haven't got my $50 back, not to mention all these people getting their card info harvested and their savings drained overnight, identity theft ect, I use those damn things as less as possible.
 
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