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had a nice conversation on the phone with tnsharpshooter, trying to figure out some things with the ground balance

also spoke with Calabash on the phone prior to the conversation with tnsharpshooter both conversations were very pleasant

ran some test out in my yard in M1 and M2, I had completely over looked the new mineralization meter that was added with the 1.08 and 1.09 updates

I have been having some issues with trying to figure out what my ground balance values are doing and what I am seeing

my GB values run really high where I detect usually mid 80s to mid 90s

went out this morning and activated the mineralization meter for the first time performed a ground balance in M1 first then M2 second

Results of both test Park Mode

M1 GB value 89

M2
GB Value 55

Ground Mineral meter
M1 (Multi1) left side meter was pegged Right side of meter which is salt content 1-3 bars

M2 (Multi 2) mineral meter left side was same as M1 right side meter also the same as M1

Field mode all numbers and meters were the same as in Park mode

by those numbers my ground is extremely hot or mineralized, I also performed the same test in field mode multi 1 and multi 2 numbers came up the same and mineral meter was same readings

tnsharpshooter ask me to do some further testing which I will be doing in a few days, and posting up the results these test are not to tear the legend down at all but on the contrary I feel to give users a wide range of variables in ground conditions which I believe will help Nokta/Macro to make the legend the best it can be with updates

again I appreciate the conversations with Calabash and tnsharpshooter
 
I really don't understand this ground balancing nonsense. I have been doing this for a couple years and it doesn't make that much of a difference, and I don't buy what CD and TN are selling. I have used my Legend for a week now .......and have found really good DEEP stuff. I hunt with it and don't spend my time doing useless test videos.

Steve
 
stetam said:
I really don't understand this ground balancing nonsense. I have been doing this for a couple years and it doesn't make that much of a difference, and I don't buy what CD and TN are selling. I have used my Legend for a week now .......and have found really good DEEP stuff. I hunt with it and don't spend my time doing useless test videos.

Steve
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Obviously you do not understand the purpose of ground balancing a detector

different grounds can affect a detectors performance for instance the ground I detect is highly mineralized, I do not know your situation but I do know my ground my ground if someone digs a target at 8 inches they are dam lucky, the mineral content of my ground just will not allow a detector to see much deeper, especially if your detector is unstable, that is where the ground balance feature comes in, the ground balancing basically takes the minerals out of play, talk to a detectorist that detects for gold nuggets, any of them that tells you they are not messing with Ground Balance and other settings to maintain a stable detector while detecting for gold nuggets are lying to you, there are other things that come in to play also but ground balancing is part of it
 
stetam said:
I really don't understand this ground balancing nonsense. I have been doing this for a couple years and it doesn't make that much of a difference, and I don't buy what CD and TN are selling. I have used my Legend for a week now .......and have found really good DEEP stuff. I hunt with it and don't spend my time doing useless test videos.

Steve
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Head on out to Az, Nevada and other western states. You might be surprised.
Even down south of you in areas of Va.
Milder ground Equinox, Deus 2, and yes even the Legend GB not as critical. The why behind your success with Legend. Be careful though running default GB even in milder ground (ground with some mineralization, as you could be missing some deeper stuff.

I ain’t selling anything here or anywhere else btw.
Just sharing info.

You have a nice evening.
 
oldkoot said:
Obviously you do not understand the purpose of ground balancing a detector

different grounds can affect a detectors performance for instance the ground I detect is highly mineralized, I do not know your situation but I do know my ground my ground if someone digs a target at 8 inches they are dam lucky, the mineral content of my ground just will not allow a detector to see much deeper, especially if your detector is unstable, that is where the ground balance feature comes in, the ground balancing basically takes the minerals out of play, talk to a detectorist that detects for gold nuggets, any of them that tells you they are not messing with Ground Balance and other settings to maintain a stable detector while detecting for gold nuggets are lying to you, there are other things that come in to play also but ground balancing is part of it
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The area I live in is high in iron ore AND I do understand the purpose of ground balancing. What I am saying is there is not a lot of difference in most ground. And in highly mineralized ground it does not make that much of a difference. You just have to be able to understand your detector and pick out those good signals from the false ones. It can be done.

Steve



Steve
 
tnsharpshooter said:
Head on out to Az, Nevada and other western states. You might be surprised.
Even down south of you in areas of Va.
Milder ground Equinox, Deus 2, and yes even the Legend GB not as critical. The why behind your success with Legend. Be careful though running default GB even in milder ground (ground with some mineralization, as you could be missing some deeper stuff.

I ain’t selling anything here or anywhere else btw.
Just sharing info.

You have a nice evening.
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Could have fooled most of us.
 
stetam said:
The area I live in is high in iron ore AND I do understand the purpose of ground balancing. What I am saying is there is not a lot of difference in most ground. And in highly mineralized ground it does not make that much of a difference. You just have to be able to understand your detector and pick out those good signals from the false ones. It can be done.

Steve



Steve
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In ground with high amounts of magnetite particles, ground balance is extremely crucial, so this statement "And in highly mineralized ground it does not make that much of a difference" is ludicrous. If a person runs an Equinox on default 0 ground balance in my area, every target will have an iron halo or even an iron response if it is a non-ferrous deeper target. Single frequency detectors that are not ground balanced here can sound like an ambulance when the coil approaches and leaves the ground and at the end of swings. So can other SMF detectors set on default ground balance. Its pretty hard to detect anything relatively deep if you can't hear the target responses due to all of the out of balance ground noise.......
 
oldkoot said:
had a nice conversation on the phone with tnsharpshooter, trying to figure out some things with the ground balance

also spoke with Calabash on the phone prior to the conversation with tnsharpshooter both conversations were very pleasant

ran some test out in my yard in M1 and M2, I had completely over looked the new mineralization meter that was added with the 1.08 and 1.09 updates

I have been having some issues with trying to figure out what my ground balance values are doing and what I am seeing

my GB values run really high where I detect usually mid 80s to mid 90s

went out this morning and activated the mineralization meter for the first time performed a ground balance in M1 first then M2 second

Results of both test Park Mode

M1 GB value 89

M2
GB Value 55

Ground Mineral meter
M1 (Multi1) left side meter was pegged Right side of meter which is salt content 1-3 bars

M2 (Multi 2) mineral meter left side was same as M1 right side meter also the same as M1

Field mode all numbers and meters were the same as in Park mode

by those numbers my ground is extremely hot or mineralized, I also performed the same test in field mode multi 1 and multi 2 numbers came up the same and mineral meter was same readings

tnsharpshooter ask me to do some further testing which I will be doing in a few days, and posting up the results these test are not to tear the legend down at all but on the contrary I feel to give users a wide range of variables in ground conditions which I believe will help Nokta/Macro to make the legend the best it can be with updates

again I appreciate the conversations with Calabash and tnsharpshooter
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Did you do ground grabs or tracking to get those numbers? Did you check the ground in pinpoint mode to make sure there were no targets?
 
I'm sure all this testing sure is a lot of work,and brainstorming..All it does for me tho is makes me want a Garrett at pro of Xterra 705,, simplicity at its best... I know technology has come along way,and before updatable machines manufacturers made sure they got it right before releasing it to the public... Anymore these companies,not just nokta either,, but these companies release these machines premature and have alot of updates to fix updates,etc..too much fuss imo
 
jmaclen said:
In ground with high amounts of magnetite particles, ground balance is extremely crucial, so this statement "And in highly mineralized ground it does not make that much of a difference" is ludicrous. If a person runs an Equinox on default 0 ground balance in my area, every target will have an iron halo or even an iron response if it is a non-ferrous deeper target. Single frequency detectors that are not ground balanced here can sound like an ambulance when the coil approaches and leaves the ground and at the end of swings. So can other SMF detectors set on default ground balance. Its pretty hard to detect anything relatively deep if you can't hear the target responses due to all of the out of balance ground noise.......
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Thanks for responding jmaclen I was not even going to respond back to someone that has no clue so thank you for responding to his response
 
woodbutcher said:
I'm sure all this testing sure is a lot of work,and brainstorming..All it does for me tho is makes me want a Garrett at pro of Xterra 705,, simplicity at its best... I know technology has come along way,and before updatable machines manufacturers made sure they got it right before releasing it to the public... Anymore these companies,not just nokta either,, but these companies release these machines premature and have alot of updates to fix updates,etc..too much fuss imo
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woodbutcher the Xterra 705 is one of the first detectors I started out on in fact it is my favorite machine of all I have used, I also feel it is one of the most under rated detectors to have ever been produced but it was anything but easy to learn there is way more to the Xterra 705 then meets the eye, and anyone that has ever used the 705 will attest to that it was not a detector you just grabbed and started detecting with at first, Had it not been for Randy Horton's (AKA Digger) book understanding your Xterra I do not know if i would have ever figured out the Xterra it was just not that easy of a detector to learn.
 
woodbutcher said:
I'm sure all this testing sure is a lot of work,and brainstorming..All it does for me tho is makes me want a Garrett at pro of Xterra 705,, simplicity at its best... I know technology has come along way,and before updatable machines manufacturers made sure they got it right before releasing it to the public... Anymore these companies,not just nokta either,, but these companies release these machines premature and have alot of updates to fix updates,etc..too much fuss imo
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I couldn't agree more. It's a freaking joke. Like they only do 1 week of in house testing and 2 months of outside "testers" and then say "screw it". We gotta get it out there. And then everyone who buys a programmable machine are know the Guinea pigs. Having so many updates in a short period of time is pathetic. No excuse and an unprofessional scam. Some of these guys like TNNSS are actually good I think for them. That's all they do is test really. And my guess is get some form of compensation though they will deny it. But yes , simple is better. Who the heck wants to fiddle with a machine rather than being productive and hunting.
 
tnsharpshooter said:
Hotter even here today. Detector use will be limited looks like.
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here is a little more info tnsharpshooter

we have been getting some rain today, when it finally quit I waited an hour or so to let the ground soak it up

took the legend into the same area and ran a couple test mainly in tracking mode

scanned the ground just to make sure there was no metal again did a auto frequency shift and then ground balanced first in park M1 all metal mode sens at 25 came up with the same number for a GB 89 park and field both in M1 GB number was 89 then checked M2 GB number was the same as previously 55

Mineral meter was still pegged at 10 bars on left side and1-3 on salt content side


I then activated tracking in M1 park and field GB number was 91


here is where the biggest change was seen M2 in tracking the GB number was now 90 so much closer GB values in tracking mode

no change in the mineral meter left side 10 bars and right side 1-3


I am trying to figure out why in auto ground balance there is a 34 point difference in GB values between M1 and M2, but in tracking mode the GB values are very close to the same
 
Two videos.
Comparing Legend to Deus 2. Both with 11” coils.
And also comparing Legend to itself with various settings.
New Legend users may find this video very beneficial.
Total of 4 different tests shown.
Quarter below nail plane.
Indian head coin below nail plane.
Clad dime below Bobby pin plane.
Gold ring below Bobby pin.

Watch video #1 first then watch #2.

Video #1
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxKSOKKPs0k

Video #2
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tZLqrh1PVSU
 
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