New to Germany, new to metal detecting

czach24

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Hello!

My name is Charles and I have always had a strong fascination with metal detecting but never really had the chance to get involved..until now. I just moved to Stuttgart, Germany for grad school and I know winter is coming but I would like to find out about clubs or make friends in the area who might want to help me get started. Feel free to reach out! Hope to hear from you!

Charles
 
Find some Germans who detect. they will explain to you how many months/years it took to get their license approved by the museum authorities in their German state.

Detecting without on in Germany - except at the beach - can land you in serious legal trouble.
 
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Detecting without on in Germany - except at the beach - can land you in serious legal trouble.

This is not true of all of Germany. Only select states within Germany. And might have nothing to do with private land (ie.: might only apply to public land).

Why plant seeds of fear into people that they need to go grovelling ? There's scores of hunters in Germany, that didn't need to go grovelling to museum authorities. And they are not running into "serious legal trouble".

NOT THAT IT'S PERHAPS NOT TRUE OF CERTAIN SPECIFIC LIMITED ZONES (heck, the same could be said of sites in the USA). But to saying that as a generality, border to border, for a whole country, to someone who might not know any better, is the fastest way to get them (and any other readers there) "rushing to museums and archies seeking red carpets". Then sure as heck, that just plants the seeds for notions to "make new laws to reign in all these yahoos" (ie.: swatting hornet's nests).
 
I figured that would get a rise out of you Tom! Lol.

Ignorance is not bliss. By your own admission, German laws concerning the use of metal detectors is complicated. Heading out with a detector and no knowledge of relevant law and regulation is not wise.

Here is a recent summary of the situation...

Germany
Germany approaches metal detecting by the public very restrictively, even more so than Austria in most regards.

In all German states (except for Bavaria, which is somewhat less restrictive), metal detecting for archaeology is prohibited without a permit by the respective state heritage agency (LfD). While technically, the 16 German state monument protection laws do all allow such permits to be granted to anyone, some German LfDs do not issue such permits to members of the public who have not graduated in archaeology (as a matter of principle), while virtually all others make it a requirement to take a course on responsible metal detecting, often run only very rarely and for limited numbers of participants, thus keeping the numbers of ‘legal’ metal detectorists quite low (cf. fig. 1). In some German states, there are extensive waiting lists for such courses, with up to 4 years of expected waiting times in some reported cases for metal detectorists who want to qualify for a permit.

All archaeological finds in Germany must compulsorily be reported to the local LfD by law. Where ownership of finds is concerned, all German states (except Bavaria, which has a very similar rule as neighbouring Austria) claim ownership of (most) archaeological finds under a treasure trove system (though the details of what falls under treasure trove are defined differently in each state); though several in practice only claim ‘important’ finds as treasure while returning many to their finders. While some states offer ‘legal’ finders a modest finder’s fee (normally of no more than 3-5% of the find’s real market value), some don’t compensate finders much, if at all.

Thus, Germany follows (on average) the most restrictive approach to metal detecting by members of the public of the three countries compared here: it makes metal detecting almost completely illegal (except for a select few permitted metal detectorists in some states), and claims (except for Bavaria) ownership of many, and particularly of valuable, finds, in some cases even without offering any financial compensation to ‘legal’ finders, not even a proper finder’s fee.

http://archdenk.blogspot.com/2018/03/an-empirical-examination-of-metal_3.html
 
I figured that would get a rise out of you Tom! Lol.

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Rick, I don't doubt there are laws & rules there. And for that matter, consider that .... if someone so-desired, they could create a similar "dire sounding post" about the USA too. By citing ARPA, and interviewing purist archies about all the "dire consequences that could befall you". And then cite scary stories of some USA hunter who got his chops busted for hunting a sandbox, and so-forth.

It's just that when I see 2 sentence posts, like your post #7 here, that *only* cite the bad news , yet don't give the rest of the story (that that is very limited in scope, and scores of people don't need permits, nor have to "turn things in" blah blah), then .... here's what I see happening, as an example :

It was very similar in the USA in the early 1980s. That was the the TH'ing magazines seemed to *first* start "sounding the alarm". With stories of isolated incidents of someone, in a far away state, getting in some sort of hassle. Or some law that was being introduced somewhere, etc... The FMDAC was formed at about the same time to raise solidarity (encouraging you to "write your congressman", etc...). ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE VERY NOBLE ! Ie.: good that we stand in solidarity and educate each other, eh ?

But oddly, the MERE FACT of these isolated incidents being reported (with a "coming to a town near you" tone), had an odd effect : It seems that md'rs everywhere now began rushing to seek clarifications in their own locales (after all, you "don't want to get arrested like the story you just read"). And lo & behold, it started to become a self-fulfilling vicious circle. Ie.: "No's" passed out, where it had never been an issue before. Hhhhhmmm.

That is why, when I see "stern warnings" of "severe legal consequences" passed out for a country where there is NO SHORTAGE of md'rs who don't have a care in the world, that : I fear the mere suggestion has this psychological effect. Sure as heck, people take the warnings to heart, and start grovelling where-not-needed .
 
Rick, I don't doubt there are laws & rules there. And for that matter, consider that .... if someone so-desired, they could create a similar "dire sounding post" about the USA too. By citing ARPA, and interviewing purist archies about all the "dire consequences that could befall you". And then cite scary stories of some USA hunter who got his chops busted for hunting a sandbox, and so-forth.

It's just that when I see 2 sentence posts, like your post #7 here, that *only* cite the bad news , yet don't give the rest of the story (that that is very limited in scope, and scores of people don't need permits, nor have to "turn things in" blah blah), then .... here's what I see happening, as an example :

It was very similar in the USA in the early 1980s. That was the the TH'ing magazines seemed to *first* start "sounding the alarm". With stories of isolated incidents of someone, in a far away state, getting in some sort of hassle. Or some law that was being introduced somewhere, etc... The FMDAC was formed at about the same time to raise solidarity (encouraging you to "write your congressman", etc...). ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE VERY NOBLE ! Ie.: good that we stand in solidarity and educate each other, eh ?

But oddly, the MERE FACT of these isolated incidents being reported (with a "coming to a town near you" tone), had an odd effect : It seems that md'rs everywhere now began rushing to seek clarifications in their own locales (after all, you "don't want to get arrested like the story you just read"). And lo & behold, it started to become a self-fulfilling vicious circle. Ie.: "No's" passed out, where it had never been an issue before. Hhhhhmmm.

That is why, when I see "stern warnings" of "severe legal consequences" passed out for a country where there is NO SHORTAGE of md'rs who don't have a care in the world, that : I fear the mere suggestion has this psychological effect. Sure as heck, people take the warnings to heart, and start grovelling where-not-needed .

Our elected and non-elected government typed are always looking for ways to restrict our freedoms and not grant any new ones. For some reason they all seem to have this pathological need to control all other people. It is sad that we seem to always elect these type of people to elected office. Imagine what this country would be like if our country's founding forefathers where of this mindset. Fortunately they did not wish for this country to be like England, Spain, France, Germany, Russia and other monarchies.

So don't give these type of people ideas by asking if this is legal or is that legal. Most federal parks it is illegal to detect in Georgia with a few exceptions. Virtually all federal battle fields are off limits big time.

In Georgia the state, city and county parks are in that category of being a good citizen and cover your holes and most times you will be ok. If ask to leave, then leave unless you absolutely know it is alright to metal detect at that location. Sometimes grounds keepers get on a little power trip.
 
Our elected and non-elected government typed are always looking for ways to restrict our freedoms ....

Well .... I wouldn't say they're "always looking" for ways, etc.... Instead, I was going to suggest that .... when it comes to md'ing related things, it's often WE OURSELVES who brought it upon ourselves, by swatting hornet's nests. And that the LESS they think of us, the better (not the "more" they think of us).

But you beat me to the punch :

....So don't give these type of people ideas by asking if this is legal or is that legal. ....

Correct. Look up laws for yourself if you are skittish. If nothing there says "no md'ing", then presto: It's not prohibited.
 
Stuttgart is a city of Baden-Württemberg, a german federal-state.
So this link will guide you to the laws in Baden-Württemberg.
For translation use google...
--> https://www.denkmalpflege-bw.de/den...-denkmalpflege/raubgraeber-und-sondengaenger/

and legal free beach-huntig, like lytle78 mentioned, without license depends on the law of a federal-state, too.
This link is for all public beaches in Schleswig Holstein, except Lübeck where metal-detecting is strictly verboten. again translate via google...
--> https://www.schleswig-holstein.de/D...uchgenehmigungen/strandsuchgenehmigungen.html

Hope this helps :roll::laughing:
 
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Stuttgart is a city of Baden-Württemberg, a german federal-state.
So this link will guide you to the laws in Baden-Württemberg.
For translation use google...
--> https://www.denkmalpflege-bw.de/den...-denkmalpflege/raubgraeber-und-sondengaenger/

and legal free beach-huntig, like lytle78 mentioned, without license depends on the law of a federal-state, too.
This link is for all public beaches in Schleswig Holstein, except Lübeck where metal-detecting is strictly verboten. again translate via google...
--> https://www.schleswig-holstein.de/D...uchgenehmigungen/strandsuchgenehmigungen.html

Hope this helps :roll::laughing:


Vito, I wonder if I could create the same type of thing for the USA or the UK as well. Ie.: places where you can metal detect to your heart's content, and it's a non-issue.

For example, I could probably, likewise, come up with links that make the USA likewise sound "dire" and "scary". I could post links to some purist archie's rantings. And I could post a link to ARPA. And a link to some park's codes that "forbid digging" and forbid "harvest and remove".

And by posting the links, I could .... just like you did for Germany ... spell out "dire consequences" that seem to put md'ing into a forbidden realm. Eh ? And then guess what skittish md'rs would do, to "seek clarification on the links I would post" ? Drum-roll : They pick up the phone and call a bureaucrat or purist archie. Doh ! See the vicious circle ?
 
another useless reply

I did not post this because I wantetd to start a discussion. The OP asked for the laws and I answered. Nothing else.
And there are people they will only respect their own opinions, true or not.
and for that any added word is useless.

Just a tip for people who wand to know for sure:
Visit the official sites where the ordinance is written in the native language from the county you're going to do your recreational activity and build your own base, as not all is legal everywhere.
Driving a car in your county and not be caught by cops doesn't mean it's legal.
Again, every added word to some is useless...:yes:
:lol::laughing::laughing::lol::laughing:
 
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