Lost civil war treasure / FBI recovery ?

[davidlhyde63366]

fun to ruffle your feathers TOM

David, everything you're saying (all the wonderful links) could equally be said of Area 51 and UFO's. Same as your recent link here that you just posted :

"Documents sealed" (ie.: Public can't view them). That is the "new evidence" ? That a "treasure existed and was stolen" ? That's the best you can do ?

Ok then, we can run that same logic thought-experiment past Area 51 conspiracies too : I challenge you to drive up there (or serve them with lawsuits, etc...) demanding to see all sorts of Area 51 govt. files. They will say "no" and "seal" them. RIGHT ?

Ok, then by the logic of your latest link, this simply means that : PRESTO ! The govt. is hiding UFO's there. And because, gee, you "can't trust anything the govt. says", therefore when they say "no UFO's", that simply means ALL THE MORE, that there ARE ufo's (after all, you can't trust anything they say).

Do you see how when we take your link's logic for a test drive, they fail. There is no treasure. All of FK's "proofs" have more plausible explanations.

I trust that you are just trying to rankle feathers here, and you don't really believe this Dent's run nonsense

it is fun to ruffle your feathers Though i do think something did happen in area 51 , but nothing there now , moved else where long ago. Sure others might have more information on that cover up , but let them chime in if they want. I would like to see the documents on the Civil War treasure unsealed if there is nothing to hide. With a storm like this coming have to keep my self amused , not going to be any detecting for a bit. https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/t...ce-on-roads-forecast/ar-AATks9u?ocid=msedgntp

 

[Tom_in_CA]

..... I would like to see the documents on the Civil War treasure unsealed if there is nothing to hide.....

I guarantee you that if the government did that, and it showed "no treasure ", that it would not put a stop to this nonsense.

The FK/D.R. faithful would merely change the story line to how the government conspired to delete files. They would simply say that it's been whitewashed.

But that you can rest assured that a Fabulous treasure was stolen by the government. And how do we know ? Easy: the government denies it, and the documents show "no treasure ". Therefore we can conclude "TREASURE ".

In the same way that we can conclude that David here is a murderer. The more he denies it, the more we know he's a murderer (since murderers don't tell the truth)

And if David comes up with alibi papers (that show he couldn't possibly have been at the scene of the crime), we can safely assume that the papers are forged and doctored.

Right ?

 

[davidlhyde63366]

I guarantee you that if the government did that, and it showed "no treasure ", that it would not put a stop to this nonsense.

The FK/D.R. faithful would merely change the story line to how the government conspired to delete files. They would simply say that it's been whitewashed.

But that you can rest assured that a Fabulous treasure was stolen by the government. And how do we know ? Easy: the government denies it, and the documents show "no treasure ". Therefore we can conclude "TREASURE ".

In the same way that we can conclude that David here is a murderer. The more he denies it, the more we know he's a murderer (since murderers don't tell the truth)

And if David comes up with alibi papers (that show he couldn't possibly have been at the scene of the crime), we can safely assume that the papers are forged and doctored.

Right ?

I am willing to wait and see if they release anything on this case , see no reason for them to close the files if nothing was there , a little fishy. . If you were in the treasure hunter's shoes and invested a lot of time and money ,and research into something sure you would want to know for sure. Pretty sure if i murdered anyone my wife would of turned me in for the reward by now. Also would be typing this from the boonies in the Philippines where it is easy to get lost.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

...., see no reason for them to close the files if nothing was there , a little fishy. . ....

Let's try this out for size David :

1. Go to ANY institution of your choosing.. Eg.: a bank, a business, a government agency, a military institution, your neighbor's house, a church, OR WHATEVER....

2. Tell them " I suspect you of foul play, corruption, or a crime.

3. Then tell them : " Therefore I need you to open up your records, personnel files, bank records, all your picture files, etc....

4. What do you think your neighbor, the business, the bank, the govt office, etc..... is going to say to your demand ? They're gonna tell you to "bug off ". Right ?

5. Ok then, by your standard then, they HAVE to be guilty of whatever your accusation is. Because.... gee.... otherwise they would give you carte-blanche to everything you demand. Ie.: They MUST be hiding something.


6. Can I try this out on you and your household (or business or place of employment) ? Can I give you a list of things from your desk and computer and file cabinets that you are required to show me ?

7. And if your wife and you tell me to bug-off, is that proof positive that you are a murderer ?

 

[CallMeGrey]

Wonder if we will find out the truth in our life times ?

Well, the truth is either they found it or they didn't. Both stories are out there. There happens to be no evidence they found it - so I'm going with "they didn't find it".

 

[Tom_in_CA]

... Wonder if we will find out the truth in our life times ?

We have discovered the truth : There's no treasure and no merit to the story, in-the-first-place.

.... There happens to be no evidence they found it - so I'm going with "they didn't find it".

I would even go further than that : To even ascribe an "it" to it, merely presumes there's an "it" in the first place.

What if there is/was simply no merit to the story, and thus no treasure (no "it") in the first place ? Something to consider, eh ?

 

[davidlhyde63366]

Let's try this out for size David :

1. Go to ANY institution of your choosing.. Eg.: a bank, a business, a government agency, a military institution, your neighbor's house, a church, OR WHATEVER....

2. Tell them " I suspect you of foul play, corruption, or a crime.

3. Then tell them : " Therefore I need you to open up your records, personnel files, bank records, all your picture files, etc....

4. What do you think your neighbor, the business, the bank, the govt office, etc..... is going to say to your demand ? They're gonna tell you to "bug off ". Right ?

5. Ok then, by your standard then, they HAVE to be guilty of whatever your accusation is. Because.... gee.... otherwise they would give you carte-blanche to everything you demand. Ie.: They MUST be hiding something.


6. Can I try this out on you and your household (or business or place of employment) ? Can I give you a list of things from your desk and computer and file cabinets that you are required to show me ?

7. And if your wife and you tell me to bug-off, is that proof positive that you are a murderer ?

Are we sure that Tom doesn't work for the FBI or CIA

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Are we sure that Tom doesn't work for the FBI or CIA

Are we sure that David isn't a murderer ?

After all, David refuses to show me his bank statements, his diary, the pix on his SD card, etc..... What is David hiding ?

Hhhhhmmm, If David WASN'T a murderer, then .... what is he hiding ? QUICK ! CALL THE NEWS CREWS !

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Are we sure that Tom doesn't work for the FBI or CIA....

And yes, you've blown my cover. I am nothing more than a shill. Sent here by the government, to dissuade you from finding out that we're hiding aliens at Area 51, and stealing other people's treasures under-their-noses.

I'm doing a pretty good job at it. Eh ? The government realized my superior kill-joy skeptical skills, and hired me to help them hide the evidence of their nefarious deeds.

Oh: And Lizard people do not run the White House. Honest. That too is all just conspiracy nonsense. So you need-not-believe in the Lizard people & black helicopters either.

 

[davidlhyde63366]

good hiding place

I am sure i could hid some of that treasure under the 10 inches of snow we have on the ground
or a dead body https://www.facebook.com/messenger_...message_id=mid.$cAAAADdSkZQ-E8wYhe1-wcDaWjrZG

 

[davidlhyde63366]

And yes, you've blown my cover. I am nothing more than a shill. Sent here by the government, to dissuade you from finding out that we're hiding aliens at Area 51, and stealing other people's treasures under-their-noses.

I'm doing a pretty good job at it. Eh ? The government realized my superior kill-joy skeptical skills, and hired me to help them hide the evidence of their nefarious deeds.

Oh: And Lizard people do not run the White House. Honest. That too is all just conspiracy nonsense. So you need-not-believe in the Lizard people & black helicopters either.

your business would be a good cover for getting rid of the evidence

 

[davidlhyde63366]

Not Civil war gold but interesting

While not Civil war gold or silver treasure , some pretty interesting finds here. Something Scuba Detective would of loved. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...georgia-city/ar-AATCT2X?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

 

[davidlhyde63366]

update on the case some materials on the case to be released.

I know how much Tom looks forward to these update , https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainmen...ers-fbi-destroy-video-civil-war-gold-83534836

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I know how much Tom looks forward to these update , https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainmen...ers-fbi-destroy-video-civil-war-gold-83534836

You are cruel. Just plain cruel. This is all more of the same logic trajectory as that clown has been harping on for years.

And I can do the same logic-trick, to build conspiracies about you, about city hall in my city, about my neighbors, etc.....

Eg.: There's a massive treasure in the park down the street from me ! But my city council-man has squinty eyes, and won't let me sift & rifle through his file cabinets. Then PRESTO, he *must* be hiding something eh ?

And I saw a suspicious car drive down my street real slow last night. And my phone rang, yet hung up before I could answer it, that came from a suspicious phone #. And I saw scar marks in the park turf, which most certainly indicate someone dug there, blah blah blah. In other words, you can convince yourself of ANYTHING.

And oddly : Lack of evidence doesn't mean you're wrong. It only means that the evil-treasure-stealers have done their best to hide the evidence. Thus lack of evidence merely means : MORE EVIDENCE !

Please stop torturing us David !

 

[Tom_in_CA]

And David, look at post #182 . See how my prediction came true ? If (as you wanted) govt. "opened up their files", that it would STILL not prove anything to FK and the "treasure-faithful".

Because as you can see in #182, I predicted that FK would merely claim a coverup, deletions, etc...... And I was exactly right.

No matter what evidence comes in pointing to no-treasure, it can always be spun the other way around to point to a fabulous treasure.

 

[davidlhyde63366]

And David, look at post #182 . See how my prediction came true ? If (as you wanted) govt. "opened up their files", that it would STILL not prove anything to FK and the "treasure-faithful".

Because as you can see in #182, I predicted that FK would merely claim a coverup, deletions, etc...... And I was exactly right.

No matter what evidence comes in pointing to no-treasure, it can always be spun the other way around to point to a fabulous treasure.

Did you note the part where the Feds said it would take years to turn over the documents , what have they got to hide ? ( the FBI said it had located records it could potentially turn over — but that it would take years to do so. That prompted the treasure hunters' Freedom of Information Act suit seeking to compel production. )

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Did you note the part where the Feds said it would take years to turn over the documents , what have they got to hide ? ....

And this "years to turn over..." can be said of ANY government paperwork demands, on ANY issue.

For example : I'm in the business of street-sweepers. So I occasionally have to bid on government projects. And something as silly and simple as street-sweeper service on 10 square blocks @ 2x per month frequency, can have 150 pages of contract language ! Eg.: Insurance junk, non-discrimination junk, legal verbiage, blah blah blah.

And people wonder why a coffee pot or toilet seat costs Uncle Sam $500 each !!

And I've had occasions, in my business, where I need to gripe and seek certified payrolls (proofs of correct wages paid) from govt. agencies. And it's like pulling teeth to push my request through the bureaucracy. And when I get it, it's got stricken / redacted portions (like the competitor's driver's social security #'s, etc......)

Example : Everything you're saying can be said of Area 51 and the UFO conspiracies, right ? If you waltz over to that Nevada Air Force base and start demanding access, records, etc...., what do you think will happen ? OF COURSE you'll hit road-blocks and redacted documents. Right ?

Then by FK's logic, this means that : The govt. is secretly hiding alien UFO's there. Right ?

STOP TORTURING US DAVID !!

 

[davidlhyde63366]

And this "years to turn over..." can be said of ANY government paperwork demands, on ANY issue.

For example : I'm in the business of street-sweepers. So I occasionally have to bid on government projects. And something as silly and simple as street-sweeper service on 10 square blocks @ 2x per month frequency, can have 150 pages of contract language ! Eg.: Insurance junk, non-discrimination junk, legal verbiage, blah blah blah.

And people wonder why a coffee pot or toilet seat costs Uncle Sam $500 each !!

And I've had occasions, in my business, where I need to gripe and seek certified payrolls (proofs of correct wages paid) from govt. agencies. And it's like pulling teeth to push my request through the bureaucracy. And when I get it, it's got stricken / redacted portions (like the competitor's driver's social security #'s, etc......)

Example : Everything you're saying can be said of Area 51 and the UFO conspiracies, right ? If you waltz over to that Nevada Air Force base and start demanding access, records, etc...., what do you think will happen ? OF COURSE you'll hit road-blocks and redacted documents. Right ?

Then by FK's logic, this means that : The govt. is secretly hiding alien UFO's there. Right ?

STOP TORTURING US DAVID !!

a guy has to have some fun

 

[davidlhyde63366]

not a civil war treasure, but another treasure hunt for a big treasure

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...ndated-with-people-wanting-to-help/ss-AAVmmcu This was passed on to me , because they thought Tom would love it. Since i had never hear of this treasure i looked it up a number of articles on it including this one . https://www.carlborgen.com/what-is-the-lemminkainen-hoard/

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... because they thought Tom would love it. ....

I've looked over the links. And I find the evidence to be over-whelming. Where do I sign up to help with the hunt ?

If it had been a measly paltry 10 million, or 10 billion, I wouldn't be interested. But since it's 20 billion, well gee, sign me up ! See ? The higher the dollar value attributed, then THE MORE TRUE IT MUST BE !

However, I see words like "alleged" and "claimed" and "mythology" and "supposed", etc... But we can disregard all such speculative "maybes" in this case. Because it's got all the other requisite ingredients :

1) Giant boulders to block a cave . The durned treasure bury people NEVER make it easy. It always has to involve insane depths, Giant boulders, booby-traps, or some such impediment. Right ? So the moment you add those ingredients, it HAS to be true.

Never mind the logic-test that the person who buried it would have had it EQUALLY hidden whether it was a foot deep or 100 ft. deep. If it's invisible from the surface, then ...... it's invisible. What more "hidden-ness does added feet benefit them ? Nothing. So ... what's the point ? And gee, they have to return for it later. But let me guess : They make it as difficult for themselves as well. Eh ? Doesn't anyone ever see this absurdity ??

2) And re.: these giant boulders : I'll bet that it'll be claimed or mused that they were thousands of pounds. Because gee, you gotta keep the bad guys out of the cave. And if the skeptic tries to point out that it would take a FORKLIFT or CRANE to lift such a monster, the faithful will come up with all sorts of extreme pulley and fulcrum system theories, where ... if you get 100 men, it *could* be done.

So in their mind, if you can find ANY way that a crazy scheme *could* have been pulled off, then ....... by golly ..... IT HAPPENED ! And they now think the burden of proof is back on the skeptic to prove it didn't happen . !!! ? This makes no sense.

I can go on and on dismantling this other story. They're a dime a dozen.

And the amount of press they get is directly commensurate with their size of fortune. If it's a bread & butter cache, it doesn't get bandied around much. But if it's $20 billion, then every news outlets wants to do a story. And ... humorously ..... the "more stories" simply make it all-the-more-true. Because the faithful will point to all those stories circulating , and say "Where there's smoke, there's fire". But no one seems to connect the dots and realize that they're only making THEIR OWN SMOKE.