Ed in KC
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I just realized there are two History Channels and I was looking at the wrong one; now I can watch it at 11:00.
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Ed in KC
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Maybe they are afraid you will know the area and will get there before they come back.
I wish!
Jason in Enid
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Actually Yes.
Jason in Enid
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Jason in Enid
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Yep, kill the other one.
30U Plymouth
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OK, we're on the trail now
.By the way, which way did the guy point when he mentioned the Butterfield stage route?
The shadows would have been pointing toward the west wouldn't they, so he would have been pointing ------(I guess I need to watch it again)
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Ed in KC
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It doesn't take much for them to reach a conclusion, or at least a strong suspicion, I'll say that. I think it was all kind of hokey.
The guy in charge, Ron Pastore, owns a Jesse James museum in Wichita; from The Friends of the James Farm Journal:
http://www.jessejames.org/news4.html
[SIZE=+3][SIZE=+3]J.J. V LIVE AT NEW WICHITA MUSEUM?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]A new Jesse James Museum has opened in Wichita, Kan., purporting to be "Jesse's personal collection that he hid away over 100 years ago when he faked his death." A press release was sent out about this in November. The museum apparently opened Nov. 13 at 555 W. Douglas Ave. "The great-great grandson of Jesse James, Jesse James V will appear live and in-person daily. He is the spitting image of his namesake," the press release stated.Here is a synopsis of the press release, with quotes taken directly from it.The supposed mission of this museum is education, historical and archaeological research. However, it apparently opened under the auspices of a Ron Pastore, who has conducted "extensive" research revealing "considerable evidence supporting claims that Jesse James may in fact have faked his death to elude capture in 1882." (Does this sound familiar?) Pastore sets forth this "evidence" in a new book, "Jesse James Faked His Death." Pastore claims the scientific data from the 1995 exhumation of Jesse's body was "considerably compromised and flawed." He says the researchers stated the facts to fit their hypothesis.In addition, there are evidently two new documentaries coming out on this theory. "If These Walls Could Talk" is to air on the Home and Garden cable channel in the summer/fall of this year. "A second full-blown one-hour documentary will be produced by Bill Kurtis for the History Channel. Mr. Kurtis will conduct an in-depth scientific investigative report, which is set to include the exhumation and DNA testing of Jeremiah James who was buried in SE Kansas at 88 years old. The study will be conducted in conjunction with local crime lab for the DNA testing and state educational institution's anthropology department." The release doesn't say when this will air. The press release continues: "During the 1870s and '80s, Wichita was the destination of all the major cattle drives heading to the railhead in Kansas City. In order to keep this rowdy element segregated from the outstanding citizens of Wichita, the town fathers established the village of Delano. It was situated west of the Arkansas river on Douglas Avenue and was populated almost exclusively with Hotels, Saloons, Brothels and Gambling Houses. It was here in Delano where Jesse James met Catherine McCarthey, mother of Billy the Kid. At the time she was employed by James and Bess Earp in their Sporting House. Jesse James was able to get her a job at the Cleaners at Murdock and Waco. By 1881, Ms. McCarthey had achieved such prominence in the Wichita community that she was a signer of the Charter that made Wichita a City."For more information on this, visit their Web site at www.jessejamesmuseum.com. Pastore's e-mail address [email protected].[/SIZE]</PRE>[/SIZE]
The guy in charge, Ron Pastore, owns a Jesse James museum in Wichita; from The Friends of the James Farm Journal:
http://www.jessejames.org/news4.html
[SIZE=+3][SIZE=+3]J.J. V LIVE AT NEW WICHITA MUSEUM?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+0]A new Jesse James Museum has opened in Wichita, Kan., purporting to be "Jesse's personal collection that he hid away over 100 years ago when he faked his death." A press release was sent out about this in November. The museum apparently opened Nov. 13 at 555 W. Douglas Ave. "The great-great grandson of Jesse James, Jesse James V will appear live and in-person daily. He is the spitting image of his namesake," the press release stated.Here is a synopsis of the press release, with quotes taken directly from it.The supposed mission of this museum is education, historical and archaeological research. However, it apparently opened under the auspices of a Ron Pastore, who has conducted "extensive" research revealing "considerable evidence supporting claims that Jesse James may in fact have faked his death to elude capture in 1882." (Does this sound familiar?) Pastore sets forth this "evidence" in a new book, "Jesse James Faked His Death." Pastore claims the scientific data from the 1995 exhumation of Jesse's body was "considerably compromised and flawed." He says the researchers stated the facts to fit their hypothesis.In addition, there are evidently two new documentaries coming out on this theory. "If These Walls Could Talk" is to air on the Home and Garden cable channel in the summer/fall of this year. "A second full-blown one-hour documentary will be produced by Bill Kurtis for the History Channel. Mr. Kurtis will conduct an in-depth scientific investigative report, which is set to include the exhumation and DNA testing of Jeremiah James who was buried in SE Kansas at 88 years old. The study will be conducted in conjunction with local crime lab for the DNA testing and state educational institution's anthropology department." The release doesn't say when this will air. The press release continues: "During the 1870s and '80s, Wichita was the destination of all the major cattle drives heading to the railhead in Kansas City. In order to keep this rowdy element segregated from the outstanding citizens of Wichita, the town fathers established the village of Delano. It was situated west of the Arkansas river on Douglas Avenue and was populated almost exclusively with Hotels, Saloons, Brothels and Gambling Houses. It was here in Delano where Jesse James met Catherine McCarthey, mother of Billy the Kid. At the time she was employed by James and Bess Earp in their Sporting House. Jesse James was able to get her a job at the Cleaners at Murdock and Waco. By 1881, Ms. McCarthey had achieved such prominence in the Wichita community that she was a signer of the Charter that made Wichita a City."For more information on this, visit their Web site at www.jessejamesmuseum.com. Pastore's e-mail address [email protected].[/SIZE]</PRE>[/SIZE]
Spleenu
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Sweet! Thanks for letting everyone know about this. I was working when it was on earlier, but I just checked the listings, and it will be on at 1am here in a half hour, so I'll watch it then.
dfxing virginia
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i was at work so i missed it. hope my neighbor will dvr it for me.
Lowjiber
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Aces and Eights...
No disrespect intended here, but the show reminded me of some of the shows that are now on cable about UFO's...lots of conjecture about very little data.
The only saving grace of the show was some interesting history surrounding the period immediately following the Civil War. However, the producers had so much pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo thrown in that it was difficult to separate fact from fiction.
I grew up in southern Missouri. While the majority of JJ's activities were centered in the Kansas territories, the gang did rob a couple of banks in the area where I grew up...that's fact. However, every cave or deep gulch in the area was a supposed site of JJ's treasure.
Ed...I totally agree. I'd even say throw a "pokey" behind the "hokey".
No disrespect intended here, but the show reminded me of some of the shows that are now on cable about UFO's...lots of conjecture about very little data.
The only saving grace of the show was some interesting history surrounding the period immediately following the Civil War. However, the producers had so much pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo thrown in that it was difficult to separate fact from fiction.
I grew up in southern Missouri. While the majority of JJ's activities were centered in the Kansas territories, the gang did rob a couple of banks in the area where I grew up...that's fact. However, every cave or deep gulch in the area was a supposed site of JJ's treasure.
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I remember very well that event. We still had the images in black-white,
but I still remember them clearly - so much expectation,and finally they found only garbage and a pair of wine bottles
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Please ,correct me if I am wrong
but the exumation of Jesse James body revealed that when
the skull was piece by piece again reconstructed, there was a visible
cut around the upper part of the skull.Evidence that the
body went under an authopsy.
Besides, they found a colt revolver bullet at the grave.The one
Jesse had from the civil war in his body.
I still have that video from History Channel.
The ADN from one tooth confirmed it matched with Jesse's family.
The guy in Texas who died in the 1950's seems to have been an impostor.
Wright or wrong ?
but the exumation of Jesse James body revealed that when
the skull was piece by piece again reconstructed, there was a visible
cut around the upper part of the skull.Evidence that the
body went under an authopsy.
Besides, they found a colt revolver bullet at the grave.The one
Jesse had from the civil war in his body.
I still have that video from History Channel.
The ADN from one tooth confirmed it matched with Jesse's family.
The guy in Texas who died in the 1950's seems to have been an impostor.
Wright or wrong ?
Jason in Enid
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Here is the problem I see with thier research. If it was true that JJ faked his death, then he lived long enough to make sure any treasures were recovered. That's rule number 1 for treasure hunting.
Second, why are they dismanteling that hill? Did you see how much earth they moved? No outlaws are going to dig 15 feet to bury ANYTHING. There was no such things as metal detectors back then. 1 foot was as good as 10. Out of site, out of mind.
I trully think that they stopped the search so that they could have a second show the next year, regardless of whether they found anything or not.
As to the finds they made, I haven't made up my mind yet. Most people who actually search for these caches never find one, and they find 2, on camera? A few of the details just seemed "off" to me.
I also think the guns were just theatrics. They were on private property.
I also noticed they really didn't seem to understand how to use those Garretts. There seemed to be a lot discussion instead of just saying, this is indicating XXX. I saw they used a Whites 6000proSL to find that bar. Maybe I can sell mine for a few more bucks now.
Second, why are they dismanteling that hill? Did you see how much earth they moved? No outlaws are going to dig 15 feet to bury ANYTHING. There was no such things as metal detectors back then. 1 foot was as good as 10. Out of site, out of mind.
I trully think that they stopped the search so that they could have a second show the next year, regardless of whether they found anything or not.
As to the finds they made, I haven't made up my mind yet. Most people who actually search for these caches never find one, and they find 2, on camera? A few of the details just seemed "off" to me.
I also think the guns were just theatrics. They were on private property.
I also noticed they really didn't seem to understand how to use those Garretts. There seemed to be a lot discussion instead of just saying, this is indicating XXX. I saw they used a Whites 6000proSL to find that bar. Maybe I can sell mine for a few more bucks now.
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my great great grandpa{William"Bobbie"James} use to tell us stories about when his dad was younger he remembered being on the farm in western Ky and the James boys came by the farm one day to exchange horses but after several generations Im sure a story can be stretched a bit.
whether I am directly related to Frank and Jesse James I have no idea..but my family is from MO and KY so that would put us in the rite area,and Im a James..but then again most everyone who has the last name of James says they are directly related to the James boys...yet very few can prove it..including myself. is there really a guy you can send DNA to?
my dads name is Frank and his brother is Jesse...and I got stuck with Kris...Kristopher James the train robber..that doesnt have much of a ring to it
Yickityoptorus
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I was believing when I watched it, but then my wife and I kinda picked it apart after the show. Those guys found one heck of a gold bar, and just weren't excited enough. Can you imagine pulling a gold bar the size of a pack of smokes out of the ground and not shaking or jumping for joy? Especially after researching for ten years? And can you imagine not removing the tree and digging further afterwards. And the bar was right in the back of the hollow in the tree. It was all just too convenient.
That Garrett sure searches deep a foot deep , got to get me one of those . Everyone from all over the US will be coming to Kansas now for there vacation next year . I knew you guys in the Kansas Group were hunting in the wrong spots get out of the yards and parks and into the wilderness .It did look like they changed to a different brand detector in the middle of the movie .
No wonder I can't find gold with my detector I bought it off one of the James boy's and they fixed it so it won't find there gold . Thanks to Kris the train robber... lol
Harold
No wonder I can't find gold with my detector I bought it off one of the James boy's and they fixed it so it won't find there gold . Thanks to Kris the train robber... lol
Harold
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I thought the location looked like Horse Thief Canyon a bit north of dodge. Horse Thief Canyon was well known as a place where robbers would hide out and lose the law. I remember reading a story about the people of Dodge City being mad at the sheriff because the bank was robbed and he chased them into Horse Thief Canyon. In stead of trying to catch them and recover the loot, he threw dynamite into the cave they were hiding and blew everything up. Including the money.
IntoIt
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There is one thing to remember. There were two sites. I believe one was in Wapanucka Oklahoma.
The google earth shows terrain similar to the site.
The coin find seemed real enough as I heard roots breaking and what roots I seen broken were white on the ends as IF just broken.
They do need investors so anything is possible.
The google earth shows terrain similar to the site.
The coin find seemed real enough as I heard roots breaking and what roots I seen broken were white on the ends as IF just broken.
They do need investors so anything is possible.
Lunarpancake
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darn I always miss the cool shows. I DID get to see the Steelers win tho
so what happened? did they find the gold?
so what happened? did they find the gold?
I thought it was generally a good show, though repetitious. I agree with Lowjiber, it was rather "hokey" and setup.
As for the big hill they dug up, that just shows you how reliable LRD's are, and they didn't seem to know how to use the detectors. He says, "Yep, it says there's "precious metal" here!" Duh! It was funny they had a talking Garrett's. I didn't realize they used the ProXL6000 to find the gold bar, ProXL's don't really go that deep, they are surface detectors. They would have been better off using a Minelab Explorer.
I was wondering the whole time whether they were on private property, or public land, and it was curious why that guy was sitting on the hill with a rifle, like someone was going to come in and jump them or something.
Honestly, I thought they were going to recover a huge cache. 21 Morgans and 2 gold coins is nothing. You can buy them on eBay for less than the amount of money they invested in this treasure hunt. And the fact that they were dated in the 1890's when James supposedly died in 1888, is definitely suspicious.
Another thing I found interesting is that they hung the two guys (Parson boys?) that made the deal for the "turn in" of James. What kind of deal was that?
As for the big hill they dug up, that just shows you how reliable LRD's are, and they didn't seem to know how to use the detectors. He says, "Yep, it says there's "precious metal" here!" Duh!
It was funny they had a talking Garrett's. I didn't realize they used the ProXL6000 to find the gold bar, ProXL's don't really go that deep, they are surface detectors. They would have been better off using a Minelab Explorer.I was wondering the whole time whether they were on private property, or public land, and it was curious why that guy was sitting on the hill with a rifle, like someone was going to come in and jump them or something.
Honestly, I thought they were going to recover a huge cache. 21 Morgans and 2 gold coins is nothing. You can buy them on eBay for less than the amount of money they invested in this treasure hunt. And the fact that they were dated in the 1890's when James supposedly died in 1888, is definitely suspicious.
Another thing I found interesting is that they hung the two guys (Parson boys?) that made the deal for the "turn in" of James. What kind of deal was that?
