That's an impressive amount of digging! Especially when you take into account the time you put in. I am sore just thinking about it. 
Five Hundred and Sixty Two Coins (562) from Machine Gun Beach in 6 Days (27.5 hrs)!
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I'm not sure your conditions but maybe go a little further out into the water? Your finding all the right stuff for light gold but maybe what your finding is getting pushed in, .... and the bigger gold is out deeper. It's really tuff advising and not knowing anything about a spot but with results like your 5 days I would be looking for other possible solutions until the current target history changes.
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Ok, I do admit that under certain circumstances, I will notch out 1 ID above ferrous. For example, if I were looking for gold rings in a park like environment that had a lot of small foil, then I notch out that ID. Reason being, after digging countless amounts of small foil at that ID, I found it to be a waste of time and effort to continue doing so at that type of site. Although in the water, I always dig that ID, because there is no small foil.
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I kinda sometimes do the same thing but only with my ears i let my ears discriminate .
LawrencetheMDer
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Ya have to read the whole blog - Machine gun beach isn't your nice white soft sand beach. It is sand/mud with sea (?) grass that comes out in clumps and with one swing of the coil hit 10 - 20 pull tabs and push tabs and their various parts - thus the name "Machine gun" beach. Showing the power of the Manticore in otherwise impossible hunting conditions, otherwise. Have used Excal II, 4-Equinox 800s (drowned 2), CTX 3030 and now Manticore. Prefer Manticore. 3030 is great but too heavy nowadays. Remember yrs ago trying this beach and walked away when too much junk, when easier beaches close by. I remember a similar beach on the east coast of Florida; just too much junk particularly when much easier beaches are so close by. Great opportunity if you have the stomach AND right machine. Now with Winter, no donors on standard beaches let alone in water, decided to give "Machine gun" beach a try and was hooked on the number of good targets hiding in all the junk. Got bunch of important info when varying null zones and seeing which targets were recovered. But still looking for gold I'm sure is there. Surprised at number of clumps with more than 1 target; often one good and other junk. Also interesting to see the types of junk each setting allowed through.
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No no no. Look across graph to see VIDs between 30 and 50, and count to number of gold rings between those numbers. Note how most gold rings (mode) is in the VID of 15-20 range. Cutting out all VIDs above, say 30 makes a lot of sense rather then recovering all the cents, dimes and quarters as someone suggested is a future strategy that hold promise. With this and additional data for gold rings recently, cutting out 30 - 50 on the Manticore will eliminate 17.5% of gold rings. It will eliminate about 76% of pull tabs and such. Those are the stats. Sure, losing some gold but even with the 30 - 50 junk eliminated, I still get a heck of a lot of junk. Just checked and a strategy of cutting of a VID of 30 and above on the Manticore will eliminate 30% of gold rings. At the same time you would be eliminating a lot of junk and coins and silver... But if you're looking for gold rings I guess the jury is still out in terms of best strategy for the particular beach or park, etc. But I'll keep trying, only 4 gold so far this yr, been very slow.
I have found that certain "beaches" have a lot of junk and coins, but little gold. I crunch a lot of numbers from my finds and some types of beaches are much more productive for gold rings than other types of beaches.
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Been there....lots of digging! Congrats!!!
Sadly, after years of not taking out 1,2 and 5 peso coins the beach here is packed with coins. Wish some young kid would come here and take them all out.
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Ok , so my numbers are off i guess. But you are still eliminating pulltabs for the most part. I would never do that. I don't own a Manticore. But on a Nox the low #s like 1-6 can be small thin gold rings with bigger stones. Kinda sounds like your in a marsh type area , which I've done and is very difficult. So hats off to ya. Sometimes the gold just isn't there. But your targets such as green coins and sinkers tell me otherwise.
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Most of the gold rings are in the 15-20 range FOR the rings the tester chose, as well as at one orientation and one depth. None of that is indicative of random rings, depth, and orientation in the ground.
But even above and beyond that, there is no way a random selection of gold rings, will mostly ID in a mere 5 ID range on a 100 ID detector. Not even if large gold rings were taken out of the selection.
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Doesn't sound like everyone has experienced a so-called Machine gun beach.
On the Manticore, peak tab type trash peaks at 32 (based on 100 samples), cents run 60s and 70s, dimes 70s to 80s and quarters typically 87-88. Of course there are exceptions, just hit corroded zinc at "12". If I screened out cents and above, say 60 and above, I'd only lose about 10% of rings but only about 10% of such trash.
Here is a graph of tab type trash and gold rings. The X axis is poorly listed and grouped in 10s starting at "0" (ie 0-9, 10-19, 20-29, etc). Note the symmetry of the trash distribution, and peak of 32 (note 4= VID between 30-39). The gold ring distribution is not symmetrical, so-called positively skewed, and has a peak (ie mode) around 15-20. Anyway, personally, given the conditions of not being able to dig everything, and to focus on gold rings, the next time at Machine gun beach I'm going to concentrate on VIDs of 28 and below. Might even cut off the low end given the low probability of gold rings below 7 or so.
Happy Hunting
On the Manticore, peak tab type trash peaks at 32 (based on 100 samples), cents run 60s and 70s, dimes 70s to 80s and quarters typically 87-88. Of course there are exceptions, just hit corroded zinc at "12". If I screened out cents and above, say 60 and above, I'd only lose about 10% of rings but only about 10% of such trash.
Here is a graph of tab type trash and gold rings. The X axis is poorly listed and grouped in 10s starting at "0" (ie 0-9, 10-19, 20-29, etc). Note the symmetry of the trash distribution, and peak of 32 (note 4= VID between 30-39). The gold ring distribution is not symmetrical, so-called positively skewed, and has a peak (ie mode) around 15-20. Anyway, personally, given the conditions of not being able to dig everything, and to focus on gold rings, the next time at Machine gun beach I'm going to concentrate on VIDs of 28 and below. Might even cut off the low end given the low probability of gold rings below 7 or so.
Happy Hunting
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I think just about everyone here has hunted a "Machine Gun" type of beach or been on hunts where there are multiple good targets in the scoop. You can go back and look at some of my older posts. 2 , 3 , 400 targets in 1 day. Not over 5 days. Oh....and gold. I'm not one into air tests , analytics of metal detectors. That is paralysis by analysis. I am however into history and reading a beach. And most of all , I dig. Some of those crappy signals and #s can turn into GOLD !
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Total of 27.5 hrs as noted on title. But really appreciate the thoughts of youth...I survived the 60s, twice!He must be in his teens , or early 20s ,go get the treasure bro . , you got my vote too.
Ex Catholic, something about pain and suffering...and going to Heaven...
metaladdict
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I'm tired.
LawrencetheMDer
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Could not agree more, at least about digging everything, at least most of the time. I have posted previously the % of gold rings loss when ignoring the pull-tab/push-tab range, as demonstrated by my own gold finds. I usually dig everything above ferrous I come across, esp scratchy signals, sometimes from thin chains. However, there are always exceptions to the rule and Machine gun beach is one of them. Not really a few targets per scoop, I'm talking 10-20 above ferrous targets in ONE swing. If you really think you can recover every target above ferrous, then you must move slower than me...something I've never seen on any beach at least in the past 15 yrs. If you ever see a hunter taking 10" steps as he moves forward in the sand while swinging his coil about 180 deg, you probably just met me; no one else moves as slow and methodical. But even I have my limits, and Machine gun beach is one of them. It WILL drive most detectorist crazy. There is a reason this beach isn't hunted and is loaded with good and bad targets when every other beach around is swept clean. The reason I tried this place recently is because it is sucking here on the west coast of Florida popular beaches because of the cold and rainy weather. I tried this beach maybe 10 yrs ago (?) with my Excal II, but walked away because it was impossible to hunt given all the garbage.
Wait, the sky is clearing and warm temps have arrived this weekend. People are going to the popular beaches - gotta rest and just hit a popular white sand beach tomorrow after the San Fran wins the Supper Bowl.
Happy Hunting
LawrencetheMDer
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Problem with Machine gun beach is that all the targets are imbedded in a sea grass/sand/soil/gunk mixtured clump that has to be kicked apart and then gone through with a Pointer to find the target, often junk.
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Dang bro ., you have to tell me were you get that high test Ginseng.
( rest and just hit a popular white sand beach tomorrow after the San Fran wins the Supper Bowl.
Happy Hunting) Yes , Id like to see SF - win , make TS cry , tired of them winning , shut down the Ravens with that Patrick hoax , I hope the young quarterback , has what it takes to get the job done . WISHING SF , but my GUT is saying Chiefs
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LawrencetheMDer
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Oh, before metal detectors, that is exactly what beach hunters did - rake and sift through the sand to find lost valuables. In fact, a few yrs ago I saw people on the beach via a Web cam raking the beach and I just knew they had lost something of value, probably a ring. Too far away to help, I visited the beach weeks later and searched the area where the people were raking. No luck. But just off the boardwalk leading to the area of beach about 10 yrs away, I found a nice gold ring.
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I have to go to Michigan!Dang bro ., you have to tell me were you get that high test Ginseng.
