Equinox 600 High Tones

[C&SDiggers]

Ok so I am wondering when your detecting and you get a decent 37-39 signal that's deep how to decide if its trash or a really good silver coin?
EVERY SINGLE 10"-12" hole I've ever dug chasing these signals have been nails or other junk iron falsing. I have tried to play around with my FE numbers and still get the same results. I'm starting to wonder if my machine is broken. I did a FP and started over and still getting the same kind of noise from these holes I've ran my sensitivity up and down and I just cant seem to get rid of the falsing at these numbers. I hate to pass them up but dang I'm getting tired of digging junk I guess its just part of the game.
Should mention I am running Andy's Equinox coin program and have had great luck, I have tweaked it just a bit but just because I hate digging nickels.

 

[Bajanick]

High tones and a vdi in the 30s should not be Iron. Next deep signal you get try hitting the horseshoe then see if the tone drops to a very low tone, If it does then dont dig it, unless your relic hunting.

I would do an air test of copper, Iron and silver and check them against the VDI chart and Tones they produce.

Are you mainly hunting for coins or something else?

Also, Posting in the correct sub forum will get you more answers/help.

 

[markinswpa]

Great advice from Bajanick. Me I'll suggest a little practice exercise to help you along. First I see you don't care for nickel signals, you do know that many gold rings, small gold coins also fall into that range along with the almighty pull tab, beavertail and sports drink tops. To each his own. So I assume you hunt in Park 1 as Park/Field 2 hit the mid-tones much harder. Me I prefer Field 2 5 tone. So take a silver dime, put in on the ground, sweep the ground first to make sure it is clean ground. Now after you have done this, put it in 2 tone. Make sure to sweep in at least 2 directions. Now close your eyes, and sweep, and continue to sweep until you know that sound. it is a coin/ round sound. Very important here, learn that round sound. As many times as it takes. Many times in the field that beautiful high tone you will be hitting is the tip of a rusty nail and when you go into 2 tone it won't sound like that round tone I mentioned. Another thing, a good target does not move, so if that high tone moves when you do a 90o on it, good chance its junk.
Now take what I've said with a grain of salt. It will save you some digging, me If I get a hint of a coin/round tone I'm digging. But again thats just me. Good luck. Mark

 

[Stiffwrists]

I feel you. In my experience, deep high tones 37 and above are iron falsing. In fact, if I am running low iron bias, I will notch out 37-40 to avoid the distraction. Silver halves and even silver dollars will both VDI under 37. I find that this falsing is even compounded when I use the 6" coil.

EDIT: Just wanted to add that depending on how high you run your sensitivity, you can still get a fair amount of falsing lower that a 37 VDI. I was just pointing out, that in my experience, if you're showing a deep 37 to 40, VERY good chance its falsing iron. I walk over those or never hear them because I have them notched out.

 

[GroundSweeper]

I feel you. In my experience, deep high tones 37 and above are iron falsing. In fact, if I am running low iron bias, I will notch out 37-40 to avoid the distraction. Silver halves and even silver dollars will both VDI under 37. I find that this falsing is even compounded when I use the 6" coil.

EDIT: Just wanted to add that depending on how high you run your sensitivity, you can still get a fair amount of falsing lower that a 37 VDI. I was just pointing out, that in my experience, if you're showing a deep 37 to 40, VERY good chance its falsing iron. I walk over those or never hear them because I have them notched out.

The Peace dollar I dug was a banging solid 37.

I find the “falsing” iron targets to be jumpy and often jump around to include 38/39/40’s.

 

[C&SDiggers]

Thanks to all that replied, this all good information and yeah over the weekend I did some testing around and think I have it mostly figured out. On top of that I gave my nox a bath and cleaned the coil and coil cover, also tightened up my wrap on my coil wire up to the head. Did a couple FP and re set everything and I think we are good to go.
And yes I know the low tones can produce some excellent finds but as a father of 3 and a mostly devoted husband I typically hunt short quick hunts when I get time, lunch breaks, and typically a couple hours on weekends. When hunting those short hunts I tend to dig only 23s and up unless I get a solid 19 deep then ill dig that. In my area typical that's a shotgun head stamp or IHP, occasionally a harmonica reed.

Anyways thanks again guys!! Have a great week!

 

[DFX-Gregg]

Ok so I am wondering when your detecting and you get a decent 37-39 signal that's deep how to decide if its trash or a really good silver coin?
EVERY SINGLE 10"-12" hole I've ever dug chasing these signals have been nails or other junk iron falsing. I have tried to play around with my FE numbers and still get the same results. I'm starting to wonder if my machine is broken. I did a FP and started over and still getting the same kind of noise from these holes I've ran my sensitivity up and down and I just cant seem to get rid of the falsing at these numbers. I hate to pass them up but dang I'm getting tired of digging junk I guess its just part of the game.
Should mention I am running Andy's Equinox coin program and have had great luck, I have tweaked it just a bit but just because I hate digging nickels.

If you read this thread again...

How long have you had the Equinox? Were the numbers ever not erratic?

Where are you hunting, location type? Possible EMI....if having issues...also stop pushing sensitivity up... drop it down and see if that helps...

Have you done any real testing? Try putting a cent, nickel, dime and quarter an inch or two down in a yard area...mark just in case or make location obvious. Spread them out at least a couple feet from each other.

This is to see if your coil is even detecting properly...

My best high signal this year was a Kennedy half... bounced a little 34-36 area... otherwise I do not get a lot of super high numbers...Had a Susan B Anthony dollar bouncing 26-36...

If the numbers remain erratic...also make sure you are not detecting by any overhead wires back to EMI...

Lastly if you have access to another coil... try it...but you should know right away with the proper testing...

My very first detector a Whites 6000di series 3 had a bad coil... So it happens...

If you are unsure what type of numbers you should be seeing... there are some fantastic you tube videos...

 

[C&SDiggers]

If you read this thread again...

How long have you had the Equinox? Were the numbers ever not erratic?

Where are you hunting, location type? Possible EMI....if having issues...also stop pushing sensitivity up... drop it down and see if that helps...

Have you done any real testing? Try putting a cent, nickel, dime and quarter an inch or two down in a yard area...mark just in case or make location obvious. Spread them out at least a couple feet from each other.

This is to see if your coil is even detecting properly...

My best high signal this year was a Kennedy half... bounced a little 34-36 area... otherwise I do not get a lot of super high numbers...Had a Susan B Anthony dollar bouncing 26-36...

If the numbers remain erratic...also make sure you are not detecting by any overhead wires back to EMI...

Lastly if you have access to another coil... try it...but you should know right away with the proper testing...

My very first detector a Whites 6000di series 3 had a bad coil... So it happens...

If you are unsure what type of numbers you should be seeing... there are some fantastic you tube videos...

I have done all of the above, twice! The only thing I haven't tried is a different coil which I may do. I have had my 600 for about 2 years and probably have 200 hours on it. The only time I have any trouble is as mentioned is with VDI #s reading high 30s. the last hole I dug that sounded good and was banging 37-39 all around turned out to be a license plate 11" down. I guess I should just stop digging those numbers, just hate to miss out on something good that's all. I was just wondering if I was the only one or if other Nox users had the same frustration. Thanks for the input

 

[Martin_V3i]

If you read this thread again...

How long have you had the Equinox? Were the numbers ever not erratic?

Where are you hunting, location type? Possible EMI....if having issues...also stop pushing sensitivity up... drop it down and see if that helps...

Have you done any real testing? Try putting a cent, nickel, dime and quarter an inch or two down in a yard area...mark just in case or make location obvious. Spread them out at least a couple feet from each other.

This is to see if your coil is even detecting properly...

My best high signal this year was a Kennedy half... bounced a little 34-36 area... otherwise I do not get a lot of super high numbers...Had a Susan B Anthony dollar bouncing 26-36...

If the numbers remain erratic...also make sure you are not detecting by any overhead wires back to EMI...

Lastly if you have access to another coil... try it...but you should know right away with the proper testing...

My very first detector a Whites 6000di series 3 had a bad coil... So it happens...

If you are unsure what type of numbers you should be seeing... there are some fantastic you tube videos...

"How long have you had the Equinox? Were the numbers ever not erratic?"

My Equinox was stable until after upgrading from Ver 1.5. I have my units left at 1.5. My Nox instantly showed unstable TID numbers with any upgrade. I couldn't stand it, and reverted long back. I believe it was the "half dollar on edge issue" fixed in Ver 1.75. I will live with a wild chance I get over a half on edge. So far, my testing on halves on edge half in my yard, are 75% detectable. It is odd how smaller coins on edge never were a problem.

 

[DFX-Gregg]

"How long have you had the Equinox? Were the numbers ever not erratic?"

My Equinox was stable until after upgrading from Ver 1.5. I have my units left at 1.5. My Nox instantly showed unstable TID numbers with any upgrade. I couldn't stand it, and reverted long back. I believe it was the "half dollar on edge issue" fixed in Ver 1.75. I will live with a wild chance I get over a half on edge. So far, my testing on halves on edge half in my yard, are 75% detectable. It is odd how smaller coins on edge never were a problem.

Interesting... wonder if somehow the instability could be traced to when the detector was made and what software version it came with as mine came with the latest version...

The instability I have had was my user error and jacking up the sensitivity right away...when I purchased it 6-7 months ago...all good since then...

 

[DFX-Gregg]

I have done all of the above, twice! The only thing I haven't tried is a different coil which I may do. I have had my 600 for about 2 years and probably have 200 hours on it. The only time I have any trouble is as mentioned is with VDI #s reading high 30s. the last hole I dug that sounded good and was banging 37-39 all around turned out to be a license plate 11" down. I guess I should just stop digging those numbers, just hate to miss out on something good that's all. I was just wondering if I was the only one or if other Nox users had the same frustration. Thanks for the input

What type of area are you in with so many large objects? I mean if there are large objects...there are large objects... I ran into an area with a lot of electrical wiring... and figured that area might have been used as part of a construction site at one time...

The only other thought I have is bring some of those utility flags or something else to mark the spots and then get the 600 out BEFORE digging and see if the signals are the same...if so...nothing wrong...