Dowsing for treasure true or false

[StanTheManStan]

get the popcorn

 

[Cfmct]

Tom will be here shortly...

 

[FreeBirdTim]

I swear, you guys post these threads just to get Tom going!

 

[hoser]

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I'll pass thank you. And : I don't think you'll find many others on this great md'ing forum, who go for the nonsense.

But if any of them wishes to chime in here, in favor of dowsing, then by all means : Chime in.

I would love to debate the fellow in the video, but : Unless he were here on this forum, and here to defend his video, then : What's the use ?

 

[Rattlehead]

I would love to debate the fellow in the video, but : Unless he were here on this forum, and here to defend his video, then : What's the use ?

To entertain me, of course. Someone will just have to speak on his behalf. Now let’s get this started…

 

[Tom_in_CA]

To entertain me, of course. Someone will just have to speak on his behalf. Now let’s get this started…

Yup. Because as Cfmct & FreebirdTim know : This is a bee in my bonnet . And there are no shortage of allies on this particular md'ing page. Thus : Can anyone speak up to our British friend's defense ?

 

[Rudy]

I had very good luck dowsing and found plenty of jewelry. Unfortunately, it was inside a jewelry store and I couldn't get to keep the items I dowsed.

 

[Pete e]

Not for treasure, but many years ago, I had a very interesting conversation with an old boy who worked for a local Water Company.

This would have been in the late 1980's I guess. Anyway, he turned up where I was working looking for an underground water leak.

I watched him wondering up and down the path (sidewalk!) with various bits of kit, before eventually breaking out a set of dowsing rods and walking up and down, and eventually spraying an x on the path...

He then came over to ask to borrow the site phone, to call his office and arrange for the dig team to come out...

We then got talking about dowsing, and he said it was his preferred go to method for finding unrecorded pipe runs and leaks..He said it was common with most of the guys who had a few years service...Not all had the ability, so some would bring out a colleague who had the skill...

Eventually the company banned it's employees from using dowsing rods as it gave the wrong public perception and there was no scientific proof they worked...However a few of the old timers such as the gent i was talking to persisted on the quiet.

Incidentally, the X he sprayed was over the location of the leak, and he later used the dowsing rods to trace an unrecorded water pipe through the site, again successfully.

Personally, I sit on the fence on the issue...I have an idea why they might work for finding water, but can't see anyway they would be effective for treasure....

 

[diggin4clad]

You are more likely going to get rich from your Nigerian uncle or by finding the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow than you are by dowsing for treasure. The same goes for those "long range locators".

 

[Cherry Picker]

I have had a successful experience dowsing, but that doesn't mean I believe in it.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

........many years ago..........

Pete , several things to say about your post :

1) The topic here is md'ing. Ie.: metal & treasure, right ? So why is it, that whenever the subject of dowsing comes up on an md'ing forum, that the subject gets changed to water ? What does that have to do with our interest /objective here ?

2) Re.: Water : There will be "more plausible explanations" for your water-company guys' seeming success. Eg.: subtle subconscious terrain clues. Selective memory bias (ie.: no one's keeping track of the failures), etc...

3) But let's just say that someone disputes that "more plausible explanations" were the explanation for what *seemed* like success. In other words : Let's just assume that dowsing worked. Then tell me : Why can't it ever be shown to work, in double blind scientific tests ? Believe me many have tried. So .... what's up with that ?

 

[Pete e]

Pete , several things to say about your post :

1) The topic here is md'ing. Ie.: metal & treasure, right ? So why is it, that whenever the subject of dowsing comes up on an md'ing forum, that the subject gets changed to water ? What does that have to do with our interest /objective here ?

2) Re.: Water : There will be "more plausible explanations" for your water-company guys' seeming success. Eg.: subtle subconscious terrain clues. Selective memory bias (ie.: no one's keeping track of the failures), etc...

3) But let's just say that someone disputes that "more plausible explanations" were the explanation for what *seemed* like success. In other words : Let's just assume that dowsing worked. Then tell me : Why can't it ever be shown to work, in double blind scientific tests ? Believe me many have tried. So .... what's up with that ?

Tom,
I don't dispute any of your points, and as far as the second, I suspect something of that nature was happening..

And I mention water dowsing as that seems to be the most common form and the only one I have seen in action..

With regards claims of dowsing for gold (and long range gold detectors) neither are anything I pay any credence to and I certainly would not be swayed by any YouTube videos...

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... and as far as the second, I suspect something of that nature was happening..

Ok. Fair enough. And if you and I are wrong, then : I will be more than happy to keep an open mind, and pay attention to any double blind scientific test, that can show it to have merit.

.....With regards claims of dowsing for gold (and long range gold detectors) neither are anything I pay any credence to ......

Then we agree.

 

[diggin4clad]

Let's all chip in and get some dowsing rods for the Laginas. Maybe, just maybe, they'll use them to finally find the Oak Island Treasure. We'll also get a pair for the "metal detecting expert" Gary Drayton.

 

[Casull]

Let's all chip in and get some dowsing rods for the Laginas. Maybe, just maybe, they'll use them to finally find the Oak Island Treasure. We'll also get a pair for the "metal detecting expert" Gary Drayton.

Wait, they already know where it's at. Right in that big hole.

 

[TheFrood]

This is a bee in my bonnet .

I have severe trouble biting my tongue on this issue too. After the last thread on this I decided that I would
glance to see if it was anything reliable but really try to not participate in the discussion. I kind of decided to
classify dowsing as a subset of religion under my "don't discuss religion, sports, or politics with people whom
you wish to remain friends" personal rule.

 

[cellrdwellr]

Finding treasure while dowsing? Completely possible. Finding treasure because of dowsing, not so much... my opinion anyway...

 

[ohmygato]

In my old age I've become susceptible to superstitious mumbo jumbo. So at some point in my life, just to be an idiot, I'd like to try dowsing, ouija boards, and hunting ghosts using an EMF detector.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... I kind of decided to
classify dowsing as a subset of religion ..........

Humorously, the dowsing proponent faithful WILL use vocabulary that sounds like spiritual or occult type language terms/words. Eg.: Believe, faith, powers unexplained, etc..... So when you point out to them that : This sounds like ouija boards, seances, etc.... They will quickly distance themselves from any such connections or explanations. Lest it sound like they're dabbling into occult or spirit -world things. And they will quickly jump back to "science" (albeit "unknown science", blah blah ).


And when you point out to them that it's specifically violating science, then they jump back to mystical spiritual.


They keep jumping back and forth between these 2 explanations. It's almost humorous.


And then you try to point out to them that it's all a moot point of "how it works", UNLESS IT EVEN WORKED IN THE FIRST PLACE ! And they roll out the anecdotal stories. And you try to point out that if such anecdotal stories abound, then : Why haven't any of those persons ever subjected themselves to double blind testing ?