Curse of Oak Island TV Program

[RyanChappell]

A certain amount of any "reality" show has to be hokey just by the nature of the beast. It would be pretty dry to most people if they only aired the facts. The networks know this. That is why there is always some "drama" in reality TV. That is why it is called the Curse Of Oak Island instead of Mystery Of Oak Island. Makes for better TV.

I like the show too and I hope they do reveal some unknown facts even if it is not the final end to the mystery.

Did you see the Megalodon faux documentary on Shark Week? That one took the cake! They should have labeled it as a fictional and a mockumentary in a better way from the start, but there were hard to read disclaimers.

 

[Bayoutalker]

Did you see the Megalodon faux documentary on Shark Week? That one took the cake! They should have labeled it as a fictional and a mockumentary in a better way from the start, but there were hard to read disclaimers.

Some are more hokey than others!

 

[OleSarge]

A certain amount of any "reality" show has to be hokey just by the nature of the beast. It would be pretty dry to most people if they only aired the facts. The networks know this. That is why there is always some "drama" in reality TV. That is why it is called the Curse Of Oak Island instead of Mystery Of Oak Island. Makes for better TV.

I like the show too and I hope they do reveal some unknown facts even if it is not the final end to the mystery.

Isn't it great that we live in a country which still allows us to take a flight of fancy at 5:00 PM by watching something so far removed from our troubles as Oak Island and still be able to return to reality at a 6:45 AM alarm call to work. About the only two channels I watch on TV are the History Channel and NATGEO. At this minute I'm watching NATGEO, the channel of the two I take a little more seriously, and the program I'm watching is Diggers, juiced. You don't get much more hokey than that but I'm watching it for the same reason I'll watch the next episode of Curse of Oak Island. The crux of my thread on Oak Island was/is their quest for a target, buried beneath the surface of the earth and their intent to use metal detecting equipment and technology to attempt finding it. Diggers is just as speculative and nearly as hokey as Oak Island, but serves the same purpose. My Curse of Oak Island thread on FMDF was inspired by this sentiment and I didn't feel it was off topic for this forum. I accidentally chose the (already used) name of the program "Curse of Oak Island" as a title for the thread so I could conform to FMDF rules that I assign a topic to a thread. I guess I could have called it "The Walton's" but that would be incorrect and really unexciting. But, thanks to the supporting comments of guys like Bayoutalker, TwistedTig3r, Itsaring and the others who have contributed to the life of the thread, I must not have been far off base. Thanks for the information related to checking for existing threads RyanChappell. I'm not sure if I can strictly adhere to using it in the future because my threads and posts are spontaneous and by the time I've checked every thread, ever made on the forum, by topic and possible verbage, spelling variations, not considering ethnic and colloquial differences across this vast country, and all other nations hosting FMDF members, I would never start the thread, even if I could remember the topic. But, I'm sure if I tried the post would resemble that last sentence.

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[OleSarge]

As of this second I'm watching a rerun of the Curse of Oak Island. In a earlier post, I believe it was Itsaring stated that he counted more than ten of the "ten" map points. Armed with that information and prepared for the single second they show the map.....he's 100% correct, there are eleven points on a the point map....and he clearly says 10 points, not eleven Stand by for the finale on Friday, February 3rd, and then we'll have the answer.

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[CoiltoSoil]

Like I said before, the simple way to find out what if anything may be buried there is to search the island for signs of encampments. Any project that large would have required many man and many week or months. If this "money pit" is real there would surely be some signs such as coins or artifacts lost or left behind by the people who buried it. There is no way that those who buried this treasure did not leave behind any trace of their encampments. The cheap and easy way would be to get a few guys with detectors, comb the island, and see if you can find any coins or relics dating to the 1200's, 1500's, etc. The show seems to lean towards the treasure being a Knights Templar one but that legend was even seen as a hoax back when it was first spoken not long after they vanished. The boring truth is the Templar's never left Europe, they never had a large fleet of sea worthy ships, and in the end they simply changed their names, and formed new orders. I'd love to see the mystery solved but I know that it will always be "10 foot deeper" and when they reach incredible depths they will still come up with crazy theory's on how a shipload of guys 1,000 years ago could dig that deep. Don't get me wrong, I still watch the show but deep down I know it's just a legend until I'm proven wrong haha

 

[boretti4blues]

Like I said before, the simple way to find out what if anything may be buried there is to search the island for signs of encampments. Any project that large would have required many man and many week or months. If this "money pit" is real there would surely be some signs such as coins or artifacts lost or left behind by the people who buried it. There is no way that those who buried this treasure did not leave behind any trace of their encampments. The cheap and easy way would be to get a few guys with detectors, comb the island, and see if you can find any coins or relics dating to the 1200's, 1500's, etc. The show seems to lean towards the treasure being a Knights Templar one but that legend was even seen as a hoax back when it was first spoken not long after they vanished. The boring truth is the Templar's never left Europe, they never had a large fleet of sea worthy ships, and in the end they simply changed their names, and formed new orders. I'd love to see the mystery solved but I know that it will always be "10 foot deeper" and when they reach incredible depths they will still come up with crazy theory's on how a shipload of guys 1,000 years ago could dig that deep. Don't get me wrong, I still watch the show but deep down I know it's just a legend until I'm proven wrong haha

Now thats an idea! I would volunteer in a heart beat. A project that massive had to take months or maybe years to build. If we formed a large group hunt on the island I am sure we would find artifacts that could be easily dated. Old buttons, coins, buckles etc...even bottle dumps. I am sure if the island was inhabited hundreds of years ago we could at least prove some activities took place. I am game, sign me up!!

 

[Bayoutalker]

Questions for those following this thread and show:

Do you believe that the money pit is a man made item?

Do you believe that the rocks found on the island are in an intentional pattern or just coincidence? (not the tree of life, just the ones that have been found)

My answer to these questions is yes on both. However, I cannot begin to understand why (or how) anyone would want to undertake this project. I hope they can shed some light on it.

 

[OleSarge]

Did you see the Megalodon faux documentary on Shark Week? That one took the cake! They should have labeled it as a fictional and a mockumentary in a better way from the start, but there were hard to read disclaimers.

This forum is great in that it is open to discussion of ideas and opinions, yet uncluttered with the theatrics and drama of facebook. I watched shark week also because it was on, but walked away with very few keepers for my "intellect" locker. However, for one to appreciate fact requires a certain amount of exposure to fantasy, and shark week certainly provided that. The most recent posts to this thread closely skirt this encounter with fantasy, but keep a foot into established fact when dealing with the logistics required to support a literal army of laborers, either forced or willing, to dig a pit as described in this program. Normally accepted levels of supervision places one leader in charge of 12 voluntary (willing) workers. Chained or shackled workers, physically limited by their restraints would work slower, be more subject to illness and injury, and, although fewer direct supervisors would be required to force them to work, the number of people engaged in simply keeping the people (slaves) from rioting or escaping would explode exponentially depending on the number of captive workers. The logistics, food, shelter, clothing (optional) and other necessities required to support such a army of workers and their supervisors/captors, even over a short period of time would leave massive amounts of debris. And, one must remember that in the treasure pit alone, the diameter of the hole thus far exposed is minimal considering that it had to be dug much bigger in order to place the timbers. It IS there, that's undeniable, but I also agree, that unless the "ship" was indeed a "Mother Ship" with alien ability to transport every single metal item to and from the island, something significant to who done what and when should be easily found with present day metal detector technology.

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[OleSarge]

Now thats an idea! I would volunteer in a heart beat. A project that massive had to take months or maybe years to build. If we formed a large group hunt on the island I am sure we would find artifacts that could be easily dated. Old buttons, coins, buckles etc...even bottle dumps. I am sure if the island was inhabited hundreds of years ago we could at least prove some activities took place. I am game, sign me up!!

PM is on the way...my bags are already packed

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[CoiltoSoil]

Now thats an idea! I would volunteer in a heart beat. A project that massive had to take months or maybe years to build. If we formed a large group hunt on the island I am sure we would find artifacts that could be easily dated. Old buttons, coins, buckles etc...even bottle dumps. I am sure if the island was inhabited hundreds of years ago we could at least prove some activities took place. I am game, sign me up!!

Exactly, I'm not sure why these companies dump millions into the pit without first checking the area for signs of encampments, trash pits, coins, buttons, etc. Stop worrying about mystical rock formations and find some 13th century English or French coins. Honestly, if these guys find no signs of encampments or artifacts prior to the 1700's then it is unlikely anything is buried there since it would be impossible to not leave any evidence behind.

 

[OleSarge]

Questions for those following this thread and show:

Do you believe that the money pit is a man made item?

Do you believe that the rocks found on the island are in an intentional pattern or just coincidence? (not the tree of life, just the ones that have been found)

My answer to these questions is yes on both. However, I cannot begin to understand why (or how) anyone would want to undertake this project. I hope they can shed some light on it.

Usually, the presence/absence of perfect angles and repetive patterns are considered a definative clue that whatever you are considering was a product of nature or man made. It is apparent that many of the features being explored on Oak Island are indeed man made. The key (to what) is to be able to discern those which were artificially included to appear to be acts of nature, but aren't, and those appearing to be made by man, but are indeed acts of nature e.g. coconut husks are extremely hardy, resists weather and climate forever, and are found on most islands where worldwide debris washes up and, repeated freezing/thawing does fracture rocks in way which appear to be intentional. Were the husks purposfully transported to the island and intentionally placed as a filter or did they simply float to the island and provided a convenient distraction for those looking for a man made feature, and the husks filled the bill. Regardless, it's fun to meander through all the what if's and it sure keeps the thread interesting and active.

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[OleSarge]

They are just high dollar privy diggers. Maybe some kind of highly advanced cats that bury all their waste in shafts 100 feet deep?

Now I'm really interested!!

ATP/GPP/Fiskars Diggers/BH Outback/CT hand held

 

[scorpio264]

At the risk of adding to an already heated subject I have a couple of comments.

1 - There would be a camp.
Not if they lived on the ship.

2 - Wouldn't people check for an encampment prior to starting the quest?
The quest began in 1795. The latest seekers may have done that, may not. The camp may have been in the swamp, Smiths Cove, the beach, or any number of other places that cannot readily be searched.

3 - There would be artifacts from the 1200's or 1500's
If they find a coin from any era prior to the 1700's people will claim they are just more recently lost. People on here find silver in coinstar machines all the time. Nobody is claiming they have been in there since the time they were minted.

4 - Do you believe the Money Pit is a man made item?
Yes. If it serves no purpose then it wouldn't be there. The timbers are Oak. There is no native Oak in the area. The coconut fiber is not native either and is found in abundance. A coconut didn't float there and wait 600 years for us to find it. Actually, during the time frame in question we were in a mini ice age. The fact that coconuts can drift makes no difference.

5 - It is "egocentric" to post without searching for a relevant thread.
Not nearly as egocentric as chastising others for posting a thread about a subject they are curious about. If you don't like a thread then don't post in it.
Are your posts all unique? No. I would wager everyone has repeated themselves or echoed the posts of others on here a time or two.

6 - Why don't they just.....
It is not so easy to, dig a hundred foot shaft, stop the flooding tunnels, bring in a directional boring machine, use GPR, search for encampments, etc... Those things cost a lot and take time. They aren't ruling out doing those things. The average oil company or government could undertake a project of that scope. Can a couple of brothers do it on the spur of the moment?

7 - There is a math error on the tree of life.
Oh yeah? Maybe you guys are looking at it wrong. The 'Tree of Life' is the key symbol of the tradition of Kabbalah. It can be visualized as 10 points or circles arranged in a left hand vertical column of three, a center column of four, and a right column of three. Seems simple enough. An errant graphic and/or narrator error on a TV show should not be the basis for discounting what the "Scotsman" said. PS he is Norwegian, no Scottish.

Some people are so willing to demand others do research that they themselves have not done. If you don't know what you are saying then please read the wealth of information available before making claims based on a minimal level of understanding that you have gained through hearsay.

 

[Bayoutalker]

What I interpret from this answer is that you DO believe that the pit and the timbers are man made? What is your opinion of the placement of the stones that are there? Intentional or natural?? I am talking about the ones that make the cross, etc.

I am just looking for your opinion, not things that can be proven.

Usually, the presence/absence of perfect angles and repetive patterns are considered a definative clue that whatever you are considering was a product of nature or man made. It is apparent that many of the features being explored on Oak Island are indeed man made. The key (to what) is to be able to discern those which were artificially included to appear to be acts of nature, but aren't, and those appearing to be made by man, but are indeed acts of nature e.g. coconut husks are extremely hardy, resists weather and climate forever, and are found on most islands where worldwide debris washes up and, repeated freezing/thawing does fracture rocks in way which appear to be intentional. Were the husks purposfully transported to the island and intentionally placed as a filter or did they simply float to the island and provided a convenient distraction for those looking for a man made feature, and the husks filled the bill. Regardless, it's fun to meander through all the what if's and it sure keeps the thread interesting and active.

 

[TwistedTig3r]

 

[Gaspipe]

Said it once and I'll say it again this show is a huge joke . If anyone actually thinks there is anything there or worse yet that will actually find something then I suggest you go on one of those expeditions looking for Bigfoot in Ohio. Best of luck too yaa!

 

[provingunique]

money pit could equate to the amount of time and money and lives to get down there.... I remember a movie starring Tom Hanks,.. always fixing a house that's dilapidated.

 

[scorpio264]

Yeah. Why would someone leave golden treasure hidden under the ground? It is impossible. The only logical alternative is obviously scam crazy reality TV producers, and brothers of less than average intelligence, collaborating with alien cat sasquatch zombie ghosts made of coconut fiber hired by KellyCo to advertise the CTX 3030.

Would anyone like to tell me how crazy Heinrich Schliemann is? The dream of finding ancient mythical treasure is only crazy until it is found. Everyone of us will scratch at the dirt for a dime and are happy to find it. If you devoted your entire detecting career to one target you could dig a pretty deep hole.

I haven't seen anyone related to the show say they think the treasure is going to burst forth from the ground for finale. It is just a show. It documents the process. Nothing in the liner notes or the discussion has included a timeline dictating the treasure will be located and removed by the end of the 5th episode. Spoiler alert: The season will likely end on a pseudo cliffhanger. It will certainly finish with more questions than answers.

If anyone comes up with some better arguments than trying to discount the possibility based on their hatred of commercials and shows of finite duration please let me know.

“Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right.”

― Henry Ford

 

[fishnnut]

Spose this means you don't believe in the easter bunny either?

 

[scorpio264]

Spose this means you don't believe in the easter bunny either?

Isn't that the whole reason why we celebrate Easter? To encourage the belief in a myth?