Could be bad news for White’s fans

[Cherry Picker]

12,13 bounce is always a nickel for me.. solid 12 is always a pullring tail without the ring. Never dug a 14 that I know of

My experience as well woodbutcher.

 

[jmaryt]

I got 1 war nickel with my Vanquish 540. It rang up as a solid 13 in a tot lot that used sand. It was found about 3-4 inches deep or so.

this sounds more plausible! 540 loves nickles!

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j.t.

 

[jmaryt]

And I was "more specific" because I stated MY experiences, and I qualified that with the fact that I got the 14 and 15 VDI read-outs on Nickels that were in very iron-littered areas, and in mellow ground with a display on some makes/models in the 57 to as high as 88. Also with models that gave both low and high magnetic metal read-outs. Sometimes it was loose, porous soil to very hard-packed conditions.

The primary cause for the higher 14/15 readout was due to the close positioning of the nickel coins to other metal targets, mainly those of a ferrous makeup. I could have ignored those readings and just told myself they were probably pull tabs or something undesirable, but I have found a lot of success for many many many years just by recovering audio hits. And because I recovered those readouts, I learned that they were in fact, a US nickel coin.

Monte

everything's cool monte! I was referring to just "my" ground, and specifically my hunting experience with the 540.i knew you were talking about where "you" hunt.

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j.t.

 

[jmaryt]

It took two post for this thread to evolve into an anti Garrett thread. Goodmore asked a simple question then jmaryt spewed some drivel that he doesn't have a clue about. Tahtsadatsago responded to him with this fact
"Perhaps strangely, but it seems as though neither Whites or Garrett saw fit to obtain your advice in the deal." Of course, tnss doesn't know why Garrett bought Whites but he told some soldier stories and worked Elvis into the conversation. That's a challenge when talking about detectors. Props to him. Bowwinkles is mad Garrett won't produce the TRX.

Then you had mh9162013 with the single best line of the thread when he said " As an armchair CEO of Garrett". Then the expanded vdi window vs the compressed vdi window convo grew legs of its own. Add to it 2 tones vs 5 tones vs 50 tones vs 190 tones. Appears musicians may have an advantage with so many tones.


Woodbutcher continuously tries to instill some level headed perspective. Opining that not one detector is the best for every application of detecting. So here we are, 9 pages in and a microcosm of our country. Divided. Lost in all of it is, it's a great hobby and a heckuva lot of fun.

been hammerin' away for over 37 years!..it's NOT lost on me!
my opinion carries the same weight as yours pal. don't forget that!



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j.t.

 

[longbow62]

I wish the Equinox had a White's style Signagraph on it. You know something other than just the one visual number. I liked that feature, and found it useful. Maybe Garrett could incorporate that very useful visual feature into their detectors. I understand the AT had something like the Signagraph although much less refined.

 

[detectorben]

Corroded Zincs tend to be all over the place in my ground bouncing as high as 28-30, but it's never consistent.



I have never dug a 14 that was nickel. Square tab almost always. They read 12-13-14, but if you see a 14 pop up I'm going to bet it won't be a nickel. Beaver tail pull tabs are usually deeper and I can't resist digging those.

12,13 bounce is always a nickel for me.. solid 12 is always a pullring tail without the ring. Never dug a 14 that I know of

War nickels often come up as solid 14 in my soil. Nickels 12-13 if deep or 13 otherwise

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[Tahtsadatsago]

I wish the Equinox had a White's style Signagraph on it. You know something other than just the one visual number. I liked that feature, and found it useful. Maybe Garrett could incorporate that very useful visual feature into their detectors. I understand the AT had something like the Signagraph although much less refined.

I too found that feature to be particularly helpful, and am hopeful that Garrett will include it in their next SMF machine.

 

[Tahtsadatsago]

The title of this thread was based on information that has turned out to be incorrect.

Whether Garrett should have or should not have bought Whites.........who knows.

The ideas, thoughts and opinions both pro, con and totally off topic expressed in this thread/chat/who knows what have been interesting.

Did White's have any existing products at the time of the sale that could compete with Garrett's product line? Definitely.

Did White's have any existing products and patents at the time of the sale that could fill a hole in Garrett's product line? Definitely.

Have I owned and really liked any Garrett and Whites detectors? Definitely.

Did I sell my Whites and Garrett detectors because I am anti Whites or Garrett? No.

I sold my AT Gold after owning and liking it for 6 years because a detector with similar features that retails for $254.15, out performed it where I hunt.

Excellent point(s)

The notice [from Centreville Electronics - not Garrett itself] is known to be in error, but even if it were entirely accurate the news isn't necessarily bad news for Whites fans.

I [presumably a "Whites fan"] do not consider it 'bad news' anyway.

Whites became a major player because of their innovation. By most accounts that innovation ceased and Whites become more closely associated with stagnation (as far as many potential consumers were considered).

That was bad news (Whites embracing stagnation) for fans of the brand.

With Garrett purchasing much of what was Whites Electronics, the prospect of further innovation - even if the result doesn't wear the Whites brand - gives cause for a much brighter outlook.

Garrett obviously saw value in their purchase - presumably a financial return at some point. It is clear, at this point, that Garrett did not see value in continuing to manufacture the same line-up of machines that Whites offered - so the purpose [for the purchase] has to be something other than a continuation of the same. That indicates an intent to innovate - which is very good news for consumers (and us Whites fans ).

 

[longbow62]

War nickels often come up as solid 14 in my soil. Nickels 12-13 if deep or 13 otherwise

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I've been back serious about metal detecting for a little over 4 years now. I've had the Nox like 2 years and 8 months. I've dug around 12 V's, and 15+ Buffs. Some of the V's and Buffs were very deep and were throwing 11-12. Maybe even some 10's on the deepest ones. I've dug probably only 5 War nickels with the Nox. The War nickels I have dug were all 12-13. They all were what I would consider somewhat shallow 3"-4" except for one. It still rang up 12-13.

Most of the silver where I live would average around 6"deep. If I get 14's in that range and deeper I dig. Some Tokens definitely can be anywhere in the mid conductor range. I dug a small bus token that was a solid 8. Depth plays a equal role as the numbers whether I dig on mid conductors. I've found plenty of junk rings(Didn't ring up as mid conductors), and a few were gold washed, but I have yet to find a real gold ring. I don't ever even think about finding rings while I'm hunting. I just don't have enough desire to dig a lot of shallow junk targets to seriously look for them.

 

[maxxkatt]

Just remember you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.

A little story.
Had this colonel back when who was head cheese for our aircraft maintenance outfit of 600 folks.
I woulda go to staff meetings in the afternoon being a Senior NCO and answer any questions I could.

There’s were 2 instances i’ll Talk about here. And this same colonel was present.

First incident was there was an aircraft that had popping circuit breaker on anti ice system. This system was not part of my specialty. My specialty was avionics. Anit ice system belonged to aircraft electricians. Anyways this aircraft has been broke for this problem for about week. And this problem was a triple repeat reported after aircraft flight.

I sat and listened to this colonel asking questions and listened to the other Senior NCOs and officers in charge of the electricians responsible for the system. So when the discussion seemed was over, I spoke up and said, btw anyone ever changed the circuit breaker on the system? I added that circuit breaker due to high current of system has probably been popped a zillion times and maybe it won’t hold a load. Room got quiet as a mouse. You could hear a pin drop. That colonel was thinking how in the hell do you being avionics from know anything about the anti icing system. He didn’t Know I had been paying attention since my being in aircorce going to aircraft flight debriefs, as I was well aware loads of circuit beaker popping problems with C-130 aircraft anti icing system. I went back the next few days. Never heard another word about this aircraft being still broken for this problem. I never got any credit publically either from the higher ups. I know what fixed the plane cause it was leaked to mw.

Second incident was this same colonel on another broken aircraft kept asking this 1st LT whom I liked and had a lot of respect for. He was no yes man either btw. Anyways this colonel asking this Lt the same question about 4 times in a row just rephrasing each time. He didn’t like the Lt’s answer. After the Lt was asked the 4 th time. He replied to the colonel. Sir if you can’t stand the answer don’t ask the question. I about fell out of my seat. The room got quiet as a moise with some 35 personel in the meeting room. The Lt was being honest with the colonel. Not good enough Though it seems. That colonel was not someone who should be involved with product manufacturing or product improvement. He only wanted yes men-and women working for him. Too bad. He was a bad leader imo.

Guess I was always the underdog, having no college degree having to associate with the college educated officers. Hey I stood in there. Wasn’t feared one bit. This bothered some of them too. But seems I made sense most times.

I know what you are talking about. Never made it to senior NCO but made E-5 in two years and only stayed in 3 years. I was a fixed station cryptographic equipment repairman. 32G20 (Army). I learned early on not to get mixed up with officers. The NCO's were the only straight shooters until they got some BS pressure coming down on them from officers. But even so, enjoyed my 3 years in the Army, mainly because I did not get sent to Vietnam. Not a good place to be back then.

 

[surphil]

A slight digression... I miss not being able to find a White’s Digmaster. The best digger I’ve used!


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[diggindaboot]

A slight digression... I miss not being able to find a White’s Digmaster. The best digger I’ve used!


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When I learned they were going out of business, I bought an extra. I knew that was gonna be a hard find. I agree it's the best hand digger made.