Jeez Tom, take a breath!
I understand you are passionate on this issue, but others have different opinions.
I understand you are passionate on this issue, but others have different opinions.
Jeez Tom, take a breath!
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You link says : "while metal detecting in Michigan is that even though metal detecting is legal on public lands, you may only collect modern money, but coins and artifacts more than 100 years old may not be collected."
Now you're talking about federal level ARPA. And various states usually have their own "cultural heritage" language for their respective state parks. And does not *necessarily* subrogate down to county and city lands for example.
Tom... have you ever thought that your own words bring about changes with you plastering them all over the internet? Do you think only guys who detect read them?Metal Detecting in Michigan: A Complete Guide for 2022 - moneyworths
This article provides a comprehensive guide to metal detecting in Michigan. Explore some of the best places to metal detect in Michigan.moneyworths.com
Another quote I pull from this ^ ^ link :
"... Breaking these laws will have serious repercussions including fines or at worst jail time. Therefore, if you are planning to detect in the new location in Michigan, contacting the city, county, and state officials to ensure you’re following all pertinent laws is a good idea."
1) No it's NOT a "good idea" to go contacting cities, county, and state officials (asking "yoohoo, can I metal detect ?") That is EXACTLY what is bringing about all this bologna (the "pressing question" on their desks) IN THE FIRST PLACE !! Instead, you and I look up laws & rules FOR OURSELVES ! And If it doesn't say "no md'ing", the presto, not disallowed.
2) Re.: Jail : I defy this author to show me any such example of an md'r going to jail for md'ing there. Obviously, he's not going to come up with any examples. So why oh why oh why does this "jail" nonsense keep popping up in these chicken-little links ?
The only thing that allusions like this does, is cause the skittish to go running around swatting hornets nests (thinking they need express blessings). And : The vicious self-fulfilling cycle loop continues
.... All 3300 miles of the great lake's shoreline fall under this law alone.
Tom... have you ever thought that your own words bring about changes with you plastering them all over the internet? Do you think only guys who detect read them?
Regarding #1. Are you kidding ? Why do you think those fools want to hire 87,000 new IRS agents , if they haven't already ? They want to go after waiters tips as it is. So what does that tell you ? Hopefully those donkeys will be put to pasture soon.....Some responses to this :
1) I highly doubt that any non-md'rs reads geeky md'ing forums . For example : Do you think that any legislators or G-men read baseball card collecting forums ? Or cooking-recipes chat-room FB pages ? Hence to answer your question, there is no "men in black trench coats" reading our forums, waiting to bust the chops of an md'r.
2) Aside from some ... uh ... "locker room talk" I think that most all pencil pushers and govt. workers would not care one-bit, even if they did read our forums. The only time anyone "cares" is when a decision is on-their-desk, and they need to sign off on something (hence safe and easy answers are most convenient).
3) And you notice I say over and over to "look up rules for oneself" (if someone is skittish). Hence, shucks, what could be more law-abiding than THAT ?
You should do more research before posting about the US vs each individual states laws. In many states a person may own the land but NOT what is underground such as oil, gold, mineral, etc... NM, NJ, NY are a few that come to mindHuh ? What do any laws in Michigan have to do with finds made on private property there. If Farmer Bob tells Joe Blow he can detect a farm in Michigan, and they find a cache, then : It's totally between the farmer & Joe Blow on how to split or sell it.
Do you have something that says any different ? If so, I would very much like to see it. Thanx.
ADD: Michigan to that list.You should do more research before posting about the US vs each individual states laws. In many states a person may own the land but NOT what is underground such as oil, gold, mineral, etc... NM, NJ, NY are a few that come to mind
Grizz, fair enough. So to grant what you're saying above in this quote ^ ^ Then: If a farmer in NM, NJ, or NY, finds a rare gold coin (or a cache or whatever) while out plowing his field, then what you're saying is : That farmer may own the land, but not the coin or cache that he found that was underground...... In many states a person may own the land but NOT what is underground such as oil, gold, mineral, etc... NM, NJ, NY are a few that come to mind
.... Why do you think those fools want to hire 87,000 new IRS agents ...
True. But my point is they will if they have the audacity to go after waiters tips. That's how you and everyone else will pay for the abuse of donkey spending. They flat out lie. I gotta go cool off now....Kob, let's not stop there. It's more than just "paying taxes on our clad total finds" (and melt silver and gold, blah blah). I mean, SURE ! Let's assume that G-men are looking for tax scofflaws on geeky md'ing forums. Ok.
But don't stop there ! Because LEO people (by the same logic) can be lurking on our forums to catch another bigger law violation. Namely : L&F law compliance. For example : Take a quick look at the show & tell on md'ing forum beach sections. See all those gold rings that fetch the atteboys ? (including some that you & I have posted) . Ok, then as we all know, *technically* all of us are supposed to be turning those into the local police (if over a certain dollar value) for proper L&F procedure.
Hence technically, why don't we muse that LEOs are likewise lurking here to police L & F ? So again : I still maintain that the average person (yes, even LEO's and the IRS) doesn't give 2 sh#ts about us geeky md'rs. I am convinced they have bigger fish to fry than the dude who finds the 101 yr. old penny in the school yard, or the dude who just found the gold bracelet in So. CA.
Hopefully those donkeys will be put to pasture soon
I'm sorry you got offended ! FYI : I don't hate all DONKEYS. And you're correct on the GARBAGE.Let's keep your hatred of the "donkey" party out of this discussion, KOB. No need to keep posting that garbage here.
..... the fundamental difference between detecting in the UK and the US is that we have a large amount of ancient heritage we need to protect.....
Tom...There may be a difference in the # of years of metal-carrying-human history , sure. However, this is merely factored in to the equation of what "needs protecting". So for example, here in the USA, there has been ages of 50 or 100 yrs. given as cutoff, for what needs to be protected. While in the UK, they don't consider stuff old, unless it's like 500+ yrs. or older. Right ? Hence it's all relative.
So in that sense, there would be no difference. This "protection" notion will be the same for each continent. And it's merely a matter of what age criteria is invoked.
As for the UK law revisions in question : If, as you say, there is potentially "devil in the details" (ie.: UK hunters are dubious and leery of them), then all I'm saying is that : This is an example of how it is much better that we md'rs were NOT on govt. pencil pusher's minds.
Lest one day (as evidenced here), someone's looking at all those express allowances they give . Ie.: The amount of manpower over there that has to oversee all this. And presto: Someone thinks "Gee, do we really want these yahoos walking away with cool stuff ?"
Hence as you can see, it would be much better if we had NOT been on their radar, as one-more-thing for them to perpetually think about.
Craig,Tom...
You missed your calling... you would have made an excellent woman... they have great abilities to twist to their advantage words spoken to them by whom they are discussing things with.... a little advice... you want to spew your opinions then stick to your own country... all you need to do is google metal detectorist arrested in England and you will come across many....