NOX Obsoletes all + Etrac & CTX

ScubaDetector said:

Well it has been THREE days. Minelab never posted my comment and it looks like they are standing by their statement that the Equinox obsoletes ALL single frequency machines.

All we have is hype and marketing jargon. Another HONEST user states that it finds a lot of small foil and aluminum on the beach. So it will find the same at campgrounds.

I guess it will all depend on where you hunt how good it will be for you.

It will not obsolete the Fisher 1280X or the Tesoro Tiger Shark. I can prove that if anyone wants to let me borrow theirs.

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I don't understand what you are really after.
Real easy decision here for you and all other folks.
Buy a Nox if you like or don't.

Is Nox any good?
Well last nite I ordered a second one to go with the one I have now.

Maybe one day if you decide not to purchase you will get to be near one when detecting.

I guess we call all sit back and watch this spring and summer and see what is found using the Nox.
I don't water hunt. May start though. I'll let you guess why.

I have seen percentage wise few Nox buyers who are disgusted with their purchase.

And how many are on classifieds?
And if one does get posted there, it won't be there long if price is reasonable.
And I don't think this is temporary thingy either, will last a while.

Minelab dropped the Nox out of airplane at major detecting detector event.
They did this for a reason.
I think I know the reason why since using my unit, and having some other specific model units comparing.

My info posted on Nox is as accurate and HONEST as I know how to report.
My comments have been reviewed by one engineer, who happens to be tester prerelease of Nox. He seems to think my testing and comments are worthy.

So folks have options.
Lot of detector models to choose from.
I wish everyone the best no matter what they use or purchase.

And my comments on this forum as far as Nox are here for record for folks to judge for accuracy.
If for whatever reason I need to change something I have posted, I will leave original comments intact, will add by using word EDITED, will add edited info and state the reason for my edit.

I am after TRUTH and not HYPE.

It WILL NOT OBSOLETE the two detectors I mentioned. It WILL find small pieces of non ferrous trash especially in parks. It will NOT do better than the E-Trac or Dirty 30. In some instances it might. In MOST it will not.

I don't care who uses it. Unless a SIDE by SIDE comparison is made on coins, chains and rings in the wild and not planted I won't believe what I read.

Others can and that is their choice.

P.S. I am buying TWO. One to give away and one for a lake I don't dive over 8' deep in. I already have my order in. I will play with it. I will also compare it side by side with my E-Trac and Tiger Shark.

ScubaDetector said:

I am after TRUTH and not HYPE.

It WILL NOT OBSOLETE the two detectors I mentioned. It WILL find small pieces of non ferrous trash especially in parks. It will NOT do better than the E-Trac or Dirty 30. In some instances it might. In MOST it will not.

I don't care who uses it. Unless a SIDE by SIDE comparison is made on coins, chains and rings in the wild and not planted I won't believe what I read.

Others can and that is their choice.

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Fair enough.
So you shouldn't be reading any thing posted by anyone on this forum period.
You are stuck watching just videos.
And videos can be misleading too, depending.
Good luck.
Sounds like you need some.

It may have helped better if Minelab didn't use the slogan "obsolete all other detectors." It was sure to step on some toes.

Now what Minelab did do was finally push the benchmark forward in cutting edge features balanced with affordability. Heck, even Makro/Nokta took notice and answered with their own version. May not have multiIQ but having more than one frequency may be the new standard!

In the end, we the detectorists win, and I'm good with that!

tnsharpshooter said:

Fair enough.
So you shouldn't be reading any thing posted by anyone on this forum period.
You are stuck watching just videos.
And videos can be misleading too, depending.
Good luck.
Sounds like you need some.

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LOL I need LUCK?? Most think I have all I need and then some. I read but take detector reviews mostly as biased.

I think it is good enough to give away in a contest so that counts for something.

ScubaDetector said:

LOL I need LUCK?? Most think I have all I need and then some. I read but take detector reviews mostly as biased.

I think it is good enough to give away in a contest so that counts for something.

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Well Imgot about $4,000 tied up in Deus.
Nox competes big time.
Nox is cheaper too.

If I were biased I would be saying screw the Nox and buy Deus, wouldn't I?

Not the case though.

tnsharpshooter said:

Well Imgot about $4,000 tied up in Deus.
Nox competes big time.
Nox is cheaper too.

If I were biased I would be saying screw the Nox and buy Deus, wouldn't I?

Not the case though.

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I don't understand why you are taking this personally. All I said is Minelab gave only hype about it making ALL single frequency machines obsolete.

NOT THE TRUTH. So if that is hype what else is hype? Another person that uses it ON THE BEACH, states it will find ALL small pieces of foil, can slaw and melted aluminum nuggets.

So in a campground that would be a NIGHTMARE. The E-Trac WILL give you indication you have aluminum junk.

I am POSITIVE it was made to compete with the MX, At series and the Deus. I don't know why it is compared to the Deus anyway. The Deus isn't waterproof.

My opinion stands. They will make a new machine in the future that will be as light as the Equinox but be more powerful than the Dirty 30 and then I will buy whatever that machine is.

I am also buying a Nox, just to play with.

ScubaDetector said:

I don't understand why you are taking this personally. All I said is Minelab gave only hype about it making ALL single frequency machines obsolete.

NOT THE TRUTH. So if that is hype what else is hype? Another person that uses it ON THE BEACH, states it will find ALL small pieces of foil, can slaw and melted aluminum nuggets.

So in a campground that would be a NIGHTMARE. The E-Trac WILL give you indication you have aluminum junk.

I am POSITIVE it was made to compete with the MX, At series and the Deus. I don't know why it is compared to the Deus anyway. The Deus isn't waterproof.

My opinion stands. They will make a new machine in the future that will be as light as the Equinox but be more powerful than the Dirty 30 and then I will buy whatever that machine is.

I am also buying a Nox, just to play with.

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I think you are confused a bit based on one perone's reporting somehow.
Yes Nox will hit on smaller foil, etc
But Nox IDs this stuff. Land hunting you don't have to dig unless you want to.
Heck you don't even have hear tonally if you don't want too.
And you have a few ways using Nox to do the above.
Like notch, or disc, or actually leaving all open for detection and turn tones off for a particular region.
Due to Nox speed I suspect it will out hunt fbs/fbs 2 types in some modern trash scenarios.
In a few days I will be comparing Etrac to Nox to see the differences or get an idea.

ScubaDetector said:

I don't understand why you are taking this personally. All I said is Minelab gave only hype about it making ALL single frequency machines obsolete.

NOT THE TRUTH. So if that is hype what else is hype? Another person that uses it ON THE BEACH, states it will find ALL small pieces of foil, can slaw and melted aluminum nuggets.

So in a campground that would be a NIGHTMARE. The E-Trac WILL give you indication you have aluminum junk.

I am POSITIVE it was made to compete with the MX, At series and the Deus. I don't know why it is compared to the Deus anyway. The Deus isn't waterproof.

My opinion stands. They will make a new machine in the future that will be as light as the Equinox but be more powerful than the Dirty 30 and then I will buy whatever that machine is.

I am also buying a Nox, just to play with.

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Spot on here Scuba. They finish mixing the 3030 and Equinox voodoo together, (if they haven't already finished), they should have a beast on their hands for sure. I think they should have just typed the word "Obsolete" in Google or picked up a dictionary for a minute and figured out what it means before throwing it around...

Ok, when mine comes and I can compare it to my Tiger Shark and E-Trac I will post my observations.

This thread and comments are hilarious.I mean,we’re talking about a electronic here,specifically a metal detector.
Obsolete was probably the stupidest word Minelab could have used.There will be jokes for years to come.That PR guy will eventually get fired.lol.
The nox is probably a good machine.Hell,they’re ALL good machines.

I use different machines all the time.Difference is,I like electronics,just using somthing new is fun.But I most certainly wouldn’t dump everything I own for a machine that could or could not find a nickel a prior machine missed.Not even worth the effort shipping and handling.lol.
I have went over sites for years with a Etrac.Every time I go back with the Etrac I find somthing I missed.Same site,same machine.Im well passed the thought that ( my new machine found somthing my others all missed).
And let’s be real here,when learning a new machine we dig pretty much every good or halfway decent signal.Of course your gonna find that nickel your other machines didn’t give a textbook signal on.lol.
Now,the nox I’m sure is a good machine,like I said.And they’ll be coming up on the used market just like everything else before it,they already are.When I see it at a decent used price I’ll buy it,just cause I like trying different machines.
But when my sites dry up I’m not buying a new machine,I’m finding new places to hunt.Im smart enough to know that nickel isn’t gonna come close to pay for shipping and handling.lol.
Some guys on this forum have a big head,why they’re egos are so big I have no idea..I mean really,like they know it all.Or maybe just trying to get a foot in the door to be on a list for future testing of future releases?But to be clear here,I’m not talking about one person,there are multiple people on here who in my opinion need a reality check.
My time is limited in hunting,but even so I know the finds I post,and the ( know it alls) finds they post,if any..Last year I found 6 halves alone I think,I’m not sure the know it alls found or posted one?So,are we going by our finds,longtime member,how many machines we have in our signature,test videos,age race or location on who is the more experienced,or who just has the luck of the Irish?.i mean,what makes somone think they’re above somone else in this hobby? After all,it is just a hobby we all have in common.

woodbutcher said:

So,are we going by our finds,longtime member,how many machines we have in our signature,test videos,age race or location on who is the more experienced,or who just has the luck of the Irish?.i mean,what makes somone think they’re above somone else in this hobby? After all,it is just a hobby we all have in common.

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BINGO!!!!!! I have always wondered WHY some folks have to feel they are better at this hobby than anyone else. Just because they got their coil over something someone else didn't? LOL Always cracks me up!

Some folks like OBN and myself are retired, can get out 5 days a week and we know our machines up down and backwards. Are we the best? Hardly, no such thing. We just don't give up.

I have a niche not many have at all. I can find things others can only dream about. Does that make me better? LOL not hardly. My friends think I am absolutely lucky.

I am, but I also spend the time, research places and stumble across other places because I think outside the box. But better? Never.

When I get a high tone on my CZ-21 and a low tone mixed I dig. Why? Most the time they are bottle tops. A lot of times they are good targets masked by bad ones. Experience doesn't make me better, it only makes me more knowledgeable about what my machine is trying to tell me.

Anyway, I will keep my obsolete Tiger Shark and take it 35' underwater on a drop off. If Minelab wants to let me borrow a Nox 800, I will prove to them in 10 minutes why my Tiger Shark is not obsolete and they will have to repair a drowned Nox.

I think folks misunderstood what Minelab was saying when they used the word obsolete.

Fact
What other detector VLF operates between 5khz and 40khz?
Using one coil.

You see from a technological standpoint Minelab is correct.
They never said other VLF detectors would quit finding stuff nonferrous.

Even Xp If you think about this by what they did with creation of HF coils admitted that Deus with LF coils had shortcomings.

For a one coil one detector set up Nox stands in a lonely circle.
And yes this wide range of freq detector utilizes allows it to do some things other one one coiled and yes even VLF detectors that operate at more than one freq can't do.

Now these are the facts.
I have witnessed a lot of what I talked about above when comparing detectors.
And speed of Nox does figure in too.

And likely other things going on inside Nox I am not privy too or not smart enough to figure out on my own.

tnsharpshooter said:

I think folks misunderstood what Minelab was saying when they used the word obsolete.

Fact
What other detector VLF operates between 5khz and 40khz?
Using one coil.

You see from a technological standpoint Minelab is correct.
They never said other VLF detectors would quit finding stuff nonferrous.

Even Xp If you think about this by what they did with creation of HF coils admitted that Deus with LF coils had shortcomings.

For a one coil one detector set up Nox stands in a lonely circle.
And yes this wide range of freq detector utilizes allows it to do some things other one one coiled and yes even VLF detectors that operate at more than one freq can't do.

Now these are the facts.
I have witnessed a lot of what I talked about above when comparing detectors.
And speed of Nox does figure in too.

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NO WE DIDN'T. Here is their EXACT wording taken off their page:

We have come out with a very bold statement that has captured a lot of market attention:

“EQUINOX obsoletes all single frequency VLF detectors”


ALL means EVERY ONE in ANY ENVIRONMENT. They opened their mouth and inserted their foot.

ScubaDetector said:

NO WE DIDN'T. Here is their EXACT wording taken off their page:

We have come out with a very bold statement that has captured a lot of market attention:

“EQUINOX obsoletes all single frequency VLF detectors”


ALL means EVERY ONE in ANY ENVIRONMENT. They opened their mouth and inserted their foot.

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So what.
A Ford Mustang obsoleted the model T.
But the model T would still take you places.

Tnss concerning SD

Anyone who post's --------- I won't believe what I read--------- should explain why this guy for 6 weeks posted none stop after i did with his BS, a troll that would still be hunting with a dual frequency CZ21 , and E-trac who never LAND hunted in ages even if better technology came out, he like's heated argument's on here only, he need's take it back up to the water hunting forum as he never STOPS , leave this man alone, he is giving honest review's of a new machine, PS Go on another vacation down Florida, take your scuba gear only to go in ankle deep, and dry sand hunt with Felix , find some more zinc's, hunting in your scuba gear, coming back with sore's because you had scuba gear on so long GO NAG SOMEONE ELSE beside's Tnss , and I .

tnsharpshooter said:

So what.
A Ford Mustang obsoleted the model T.
But the model T would still take you places.

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You win!!

tnsharpshooter said:

So what.
A Ford Mustang obsoleted the model T.
But the model T would still take you places.

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Hard to argue with logic like that...

Oldsjunkie said:

Hard to argue with logic like that...

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That's right, and not to sound like a smart azz.

Folks can still use their older equipment and make finds. I am 100% sure of this.

Now, it may be in backs of folks minds, by what Minelab said,, am I indeed missing anything?

But I could say similar things about using detector models before I got Nox.
Nox will NOT find some higher conductive coins that some other detector can find.
But Nox can find some higher conducive coins that the same detectors related to above can't find.

Detecting is pot luck.
Different scenarios will yield different results depending.
All detectors have weaknesses , Nox does too.

There is still not the one detector that does all things well !!

Will we ever see?
I doubt it.
Can the gap be closed somewhat?
Yes, I truly think Nox is one example.
We may see an even better gap closer than Nox. And this model may come from Minelab or some other manufacturer.
It will happen, count on it.
When I don't know.
If I were a betting person.
Manufacturers to watch.
Xp
Makro/Nokta
First Texas
Minelab

I want to clarify something.My above post wasn't directed at any one person and definitely wasn't directed at tnsharpshooter.Tn enjoys the hobbies and likes to give his experience with a machine...no one has to agree with his opinions,but I respect him as a member.