Thoughts on the Rutus Alter 71

[wackid]

Thanks for sharing.
Rutus is quiet,,,real quiet.
I like that.
Actually,,,check this out.

Yesterday my friend had his Nokta relic detector turned on laying on the ground.
Remember 19khz Dectector.

I ran my Rutus when dialed to 18.4khz when turned on right up near My buds coil,,,,I couldn't even get any feedback in my audio until I got Rutus coil about a foot away from his coil.

Whatever shielding Rutus has employed,,,it works and works well.

That's indeed impressive. I find the Rutus noisy when using the Pinpointer.

I had a Deteknix Xpointer and it was going crazy. My mate Garrett pointer was I bit less noisy.
Been to my dealer and tested all the Pinpointers. The most silent one is the Deteknix Wader Li.

 

[NCtoad]

I like what I'm hearing about this detector and the price is right. However, if I ever upgrade from my F70 the fact that there aren't any dealers in the US is somewhat disheartening. If any warranty issue came up I guess you'd have to send it back to Poland? Maybe by the time I decide to upgrade there will be a dealer in the US, but also by then there may be better offerings from a US based company like Fisher...who knows?

 

[tnsharpshooter]

I like what I'm hearing about this detector and the price is right. However, if I ever upgrade from my F70 the fact that there aren't any dealers in the US is somewhat disheartening. If any warranty issue came up I guess you'd have to send it back to Poland? Maybe by the time I decide to upgrade there will be a dealer in the US, but also by then there may be better offerings from a US based company like Fisher...who knows?

Having a dealer in USA for Rutus,,and having repair capabilities inside USA,,2 different animals.

I guess a dealer could help with some coordination with manufacturer,,,but even now,,,dealers generally don't get involved with detector repair if a problem arises.

Now brand new units with little time on,,and a problem crops up,,,dealers may step in and remedy.
I have seen some do actually.

 

[Donsell]

I like what I'm hearing about this detector and the price is right. However, if I ever upgrade from my F70 the fact that there aren't any dealers in the US is somewhat disheartening. If any warranty issue came up I guess you'd have to send it back to Poland? Maybe by the time I decide to upgrade there will be a dealer in the US, but also by then there may be better offerings from a US based company like Fisher...who knows?

I struggled with this question before I ordered. I'd have to ship back the Detecnicks in the UK. I wouldn't have to ship the entire unit, just the upper control box or a coil.

In the end, I took the risk.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Bought my Rutus used off of sponsor here,,River Team Six detectors.

Glad I did.

Was it a gamble??
Probably,,,but you only live once so what the heck.

I wish I knew another detectorist locally by me that uses Deus.

I would like to hunt with them.
I think they would be surprised somewhat.

 

[Donsell]

Update on the wireless module. It's available now on Direcnicks Ebay store.

When I talked with Laura about it, she said that there could be a problem supplying the wireless unit to the US. Rutus says we have different radio frequency restrictions from the EU compliance which the receiver was designed for. They cannot have any liability regarding its use in the US which may interfere with airline & military frequencies.

I'm reading up on the US requirements and I think we have an out because it allows for 3 or fewer devices to be important for personal use without the intent for resale. But the purchaser would be the importer so if it was impounded by customs we would be responsible for all associated costs.

It's interesting to me that they'd be able to get the detector through which has the actual transmitter, but the receiver would have problems.

I need to figure out if I should go this way, or try a Bluetooth solution.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Update on the wireless module. It's available now on Direcnicks Ebay store.

When I talked with Laura about it, she said that there could be a problem supplying the wireless unit to the US. Rutus says we have different radio frequency restrictions from the EU compliance which the receiver was designed for. They cannot have any liability regarding its use in the US which may interfere with airline & military frequencies.

I'm reading up on the US requirements and I think we have an out because it allows for 3 or fewer devices to be important for personal use without the intent for resale. But the purchaser would be the importer so if it was impounded by customs we would be responsible for all associated costs.

It's interesting to me that they'd be able to get the detector through which has the actual transmitter, but the receiver would have problems.

I need to figure out if I should go this way, or try a Bluetooth solution.

Or maybe wait,,a used one may come up for sale that is actually inside the USA.

I will be watching.
If a smaller DD coil materializes from manufacturer,,,I may indeed buy another Rutus unit new.

 

[NCtoad]

Having a dealer in USA for Rutus,,and having repair capabilities inside USA,,2 different animals.

I guess a dealer could help with some coordination with manufacturer,,,but even now,,,dealers generally don't get involved with detector repair if a problem arises.

Now brand new units with little time on,,and a problem crops up,,,dealers may step in and remedy.
I have seen some do actually.

I'm just wondering if you get a lemon unit. The dealer could exchange it for you rather than have to send back to Poland. But I agree, the best situation would to have repair capabilities in the US also. What happens if say you have a Nokta and it needs repaired? Do they have a US based repair center?

 

[Donsell]

I'm just wondering if you get a lemon unit. The dealer could exchange it for you rather than have to send back to Poland. But I agree, the best situation would to have repair capabilities in the US also. What happens if say you have a Nokta and it needs repaired? Do they have a US based repair center?

Yes, they use Kellyco as their US repair center.

 

[wackid]

Update on the wireless module. It's available now on Direcnicks Ebay store.

When I talked with Laura about it, she said that there could be a problem supplying the wireless unit to the US. Rutus says we have different radio frequency restrictions from the EU compliance which the receiver was designed for. They cannot have any liability regarding its use in the US which may interfere with airline & military frequencies.

I'm reading up on the US requirements and I think we have an out because it allows for 3 or fewer devices to be important for personal use without the intent for resale. But the purchaser would be the importer so if it was impounded by customs we would be responsible for all associated costs.

It's interesting to me that they'd be able to get the detector through which has the actual transmitter, but the receiver would have problems.

I need to figure out if I should go this way, or try a Bluetooth solution.

Do you really think they will open up each package at customs.
I think it's worth the risk. And Bluetooth is not recommended because of the audio delay.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Just so folks understand, Rutus reactive setting can be shifted on the fly.
If a user has the engine menu last selected along with reactive setting,,,all a user has to do hit hit menu button,,and reactive setting will be highlighted,,and user can adjust,,,,no additional GB required either.

I find this useful to use,,,based on how free or how tight a site gets in areas ferrous density wise.

A Deus user,,,if you have used one as much as I have,,you'll basically in your head think Deus plus 1 on the reactive setting to get similar performance in the separation and unmasking departments.

Now Rtus does go up to 8 on the reactive setting vs Deus with five levels.
I am still playing with higher reactive settings on Rutus,,but not enough use/info to comment.

 

[ghound]

I'll have my module tomorrow, i'll let you know if it's worth it.

Update on the wireless module. It's available now on Direcnicks Ebay store.

When I talked with Laura about it, she said that there could be a problem supplying the wireless unit to the US. Rutus says we have different radio frequency restrictions from the EU compliance which the receiver was designed for. They cannot have any liability regarding its use in the US which may interfere with airline & military frequencies.

I'm reading up on the US requirements and I think we have an out because it allows for 3 or fewer devices to be important for personal use without the intent for resale. But the purchaser would be the importer so if it was impounded by customs we would be responsible for all associated costs.

It's interesting to me that they'd be able to get the detector through which has the actual transmitter, but the receiver would have problems.

I need to figure out if I should go this way, or try a Bluetooth solution.

 

[ghound]

My makro pointer interferes when i'm at 12khz

That's indeed impressive. I find the Rutus noisy when using the Pinpointer.

I had a Deteknix Xpointer and it was going crazy. My mate Garrett pointer was I bit less noisy.
Been to my dealer and tested all the Pinpointers. The most silent one is the Deteknix Wader Li.

 

[NCtoad]

Is reactive setting how quickly the machine responds? Does increasing it let you use a faster swing speed? Sorry for my ignorance, I keep seeing reactivity settings mentioned and the only thing I can compare to that on my F70 would be DE and Slow speed, but in this case slow not only slows the processing speed, but also gives more depth, sort of like a boost.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Is reactive setting how quickly the machine responds? Does increasing it let you use a faster swing speed? Sorry for my ignorance, I keep seeing reactivity settings mentioned and the only thing I can compare to that on my F70 would be DE and Slow speed, but in this case slow not only slows the processing speed, but also gives more depth, sort of like a boost.

I have not used a F70 detector.
Have used F75 units both DST and non DST.

From a recovery standpoint,,Rutus is brutal here,,it kills F75 any series.

Lower reactive settings a user will need to slow sweep speed especially to detect deeper finds,,,higher reactive like levels 3 and 4 a faster sweep is allowed,,,but in sites loaded with iron and nails,,slow sweep even using these faster reactive settings is needed.
Gotta give this slicer and dicer Rutus some time.
But remember,,some targets discovered with Rutus in these iron sites,,even with 11" coil,,,try to detect some of these with some other model detectors and watch what happens.

 

[Donsell]

Do you really think they will open up each package at customs.
I think it's worth the risk. And Bluetooth is not recommended because of the audio delay.

Probably not. Like I said, if they didn't open the Rutus that has the actual transmitter, I doubt they'll worry about the receiver.

It operates at 433.3 and 433.8 MHz. That's a pretty common frequency for things like garage door openers and such. I hope it doesn't get interference.

 

[Donsell]

I'll have my module tomorrow, i'll let you know if it's worth it.

That would be great ghound, thank you!

 

[tnsharpshooter]

I'll have my module tomorrow, i'll let you know if it's worth it.

I am interested in your take as well.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

NC Toad,

A detector that has it seems better 2 dimensional separation as well as 3 D,,,this here is not all tied to actual recovery speed either.

Something else is involved.

Now,,I said Rutus kills F75 series in these departments,,,but the actual recovery speed not all that makes the Rutus,,or even Deus for that matter great in these departments.

Rutus and Deus for example can have a lot of coil's area hanging out over ferrous,,yet they seem to not saturate,,or allow say a nonferrous targets signal to be degraded/not picked up.

This is not to say,,a Rutus or a Deus can pick up every single nonferrous hidden under nails and iron.

Just this window seems for unmasking is opened up a bit with say Rutus and Deus.
Part of this here is frequency driven too,,not all.

A combo of things actually.

 

[ghound]

Here you go, both detectors set to just tone break on 3" nails, Rutus not running hot, reactivity 3, mask 4, 18.4khz, 70sens, 20 audio gain.
https://youtu.be/UBze7ZueJnQ
Rutus 11" round coil 18.4khz
F19 12.5"x8.5" coil 19khz
People can try this easily at home with differing machines, be interesting to hear results, 3" nails and a dime. I would have tried a few more nails but had none handy.
It's even more impressive on low conductors!

I have not used a F70 detector.
Have used F75 units both DST and non DST.

From a recovery standpoint,,Rutus is brutal here,,it kills F75 any series.

Lower reactive settings a user will need to slow sweep speed especially to detect deeper finds,,,higher reactive like levels 3 and 4 a faster sweep is allowed,,,but in sites loaded with iron and nails,,slow sweep even using these faster reactive settings is needed.
Gotta give this slicer and dicer Rutus some time.
But remember,,some targets discovered with Rutus in these iron sites,,even with 11" coil,,,try to detect some of these with some other model detectors and watch what happens.