Test Results Data photo added

[OBN]

After watching the Vid's

Only thing I see missing is the Viper, where was the viper?

And Like the Vid GG, always good to see the surroundings and conditions

Anyway you guys did a great job, and I really like the idea of the trench. I have done one or two comparisons test vid's and you learn a lot about your own machine, the competition's..and how controversial test can be. I think one I did on you tube I have had more comments, and views then several put together..... Thanks for sharing .... And I see the used prices on GT's just jumped by 200.oo

 

[Surf Master]

Cdv

Just a thought, I just posted on your other thread ,other than to find out yet, the results were posted on another thread , I would have thought you just would have posted, or edited in the test results on the 1st thread on the same subject

 

[Crumble]

You guys were way up on the slope, that was almost a dry sand test.

Good stuff though. Looks like CZ21 for water and Sovereign for wet is the way to go at your beaches.

AT pro is the only one of those machines that can hit a gold chain easily, maybe the AT Pro does have a place at lightly mineralized beaches.

 

[Zippo]

Thanks for doing the test and posting the results, its a good read!

 

[zeemang]

It's interesting you tested in the sand and then you all hit the water after to hunt, that's where things really matter. Do this IN the water and i think you'll see different results...
Interesting test, thanks for putting the time in!

 

[RingNut]

Well done gentlemen. Cliff the pic of your chart is perfect. Saved it as a photo to my phone for reference. Thanks for taking the time to do the test. Makes me want to crank up my CZ and get back at it. I figure I've given you and Chris enough head start anyway. Thanks again

Fun today and I think all of us learned a little about the machines used today. We all had open jaws when Dew took his SOV GT with the 13" Ultimate coil over the targets.... he almost needed a step stool to swing over the targets... seriously deep but how could you dig a target that deep in the water?? Amazing setup in that machine!
CZ-21 held up pretty well and you can see the increase in depth when using Autotune and Max sensitivity.... we forgot to boost the volume which may have made its results better yet.
Both Blue Excals proved that Pinpoint is deeper, sometimes considerably.
My CTX did pretty darn good.... I know its been good to me on hunts... my 17" coil just came in today, I want a rematch with Dew's SOV sometime down the road now.....
We also quickly tested a Excal II and an AT PRO....although we didn't record depths with these detectors, the Green Excal proved to be NOT as sensitive as the Blues and the AT PRO DID hit all targets. Most of the hits were in the 1" range or right at the surface but it did indeed hit all targets. Not sure of the coil size but it looked like a 5 x 8 (or 10), Joe Groovie Guy can add input there.

Now on to the data... dummy me made it up in an Excel Spreadsheet and the Forum won't take that file extension.... so I took a picture of it with my phone and I think it came out pretty good.... lets see how it works when posted... IF it isn't readable, maybe someone can tell me how to convert it to a file the forum will take....

Cliff

 

[cdv]

It's interesting you tested in the sand and then you all hit the water after to hunt, that's where things really matter. Do this IN the water and i think you'll see different results...
Interesting test, thanks for putting the time in!

Zee, I understand what you want.... I just can't figure out how it could be done.... to many variables... should it be done at the water line, how about when 3 feet of water is over the coil.... wave actions roll in more water overtop of the coil....and lastly, I'm not taking any more chances of losing my gold!!!!

I do agree, results would be different... especially if I could get Dew and his GT out in 6 1/2' of water!

Cliff

 

[dewcon]

The weight on my Sov with battery and 13" coil is 4.8 lbs. but its not just the weight.... that coil is very well balanced.

Yes there were a lot of things we thought of after the fact. We were up high because we didnt really want to get into salt water in the hole.... but it was still damp sand. We were higher up..... that lead me to question the black sand. Im still not sure i wasnt picking it up. I was running 10 o'clock... then 12 o'clock. Tims little blue 8" is hot little coil.

Dew

 

[PI JOE]

Well done Cliff! Not surprised with the GT....I belong to many Facebook MD'ing groups and the guys in N.J. are reporting back with crazy depth #'s using 13-15" coils. As far as the ATPro, Is fair to say one can add 2-3 or 4" more depth when running it on Pro Mode with max Sens. and a good GB. Btw, Would love to see the ATX and DF PI head to head......

 

[cdv]

Well done Cliff! Not surprised with the GT....I belong to many Facebook MD'ing groups and the guys in N.J. are reporting back with crazy depth #'s using 13-15" coils. As far as the ATPro, Is fair to say one can add 2-3 or 4" more depth when running it on Pro Mode with max Sens. and a good GB. Btw, Would love to see the ATX and DF PI head to head......

Joe, it would be fun to see the DF and the ATX head to head... for sure if I could do that test I'd use my headphones. I took them off the ATX and CTX so people could hear in the video and then forgot to turn on the darn camera for those tests..... I'm glad Joe (Goovie Guy) had his camera to catch most of the CTX footage and everything else. His camera shutdown just before the ATX so that isn't on video...but I was at a loss not being able to hear the speaker well enough....I know it would have been better with both detectors with headphones....

Cliff

 

[SalemScott]

Here I am, about to order the 12X10 coil for my GT and new information comes to light! Now I'm back to being a bit undecided if I should go with the 13".

Thanks for this great info guys, it's an interesting lesson and I'd love to see more testing with different situations and conditions. I'd also love to see a side by side test of 6 or 8 of the same detectors to see if there is a difference in performance. Nice work!

 

[MexGT]

I'd do the test with the CTX in Ground/Coin and not Ferrous/Coin since G/C is more stable than F/C.

And its tested a ton of times that air distance is not equal to ground depth ...

Add some iron in the coil area to make things interesting, keeping things like real world tests lol

HH!

Edit: Also it doesn't state in the paper if Deep was on

 

[cdv]

I'd do the test with the CTX in Ground/Coin and not Ferrous/Coin since G/C is more stable than F/C.

And its tested a ton of times that air distance is not equal to ground depth ...

Add some iron in the coil area to make things interesting, keeping things like real world tests lol

HH!

Edit: Also it doesn't state in the paper if Deep was on

These tests WERE real world.... our world, lack of mineralization! For the CTX I stated how it was set up....Deep on wasn't enabled, neither was Fast Recovery.... I use Ferrous Coin because that is what works for me....that's the beauty of this machine....if it doesn't work for you, you can change to find out what does.

Could have easily planted the targets at 18" and then the machines would not necessarily pick up the targets....then what do you do?
We got to see what we wanted to see, you WILL never please everyone...so, take some gold and go dig some holes in your sand so you can see how your machine works in your conditions..... doesn't get any more real world than that.

Good Luck
Cliff

 

[cdv]

Here I am, about to order the 12X10 coil for my GT and new information comes to light! Now I'm back to being a bit undecided if I should go with the 13".

Thanks for this great info guys, it's an interesting lesson and I'd love to see more testing with different situations and conditions. I'd also love to see a side by side test of 6 or 8 of the same detectors to see if there is a difference in performance. Nice work!

I really don't think you would lose that much depth getting the 10x12....everyone wants more depth but to be consistently hitting in the 15" range with target tone accuracy for me would be the limit I would want.....

Either one feels good on the shaft weight wise.....I don't think you can go wrong with either coil!

Cliff

 

[Cfmct]

Here I am, about to order the 12X10 coil for my GT and new information comes to light! Now I'm back to being a bit undecided if I should go with the 13".

Thanks for this great info guys, it's an interesting lesson and I'd love to see more testing with different situations and conditions. I'd also love to see a side by side test of 6 or 8 of the same detectors to see if there is a difference in performance. Nice work!

With the amount of iron up here in the NE Scott bigger is not always better.. I'm going to get a 10x12 but I don't think I would like using it in the iron infested rocky area's its hard enough using the ten inch Tornado... I think the 10x12 has plenty of depth and Frank does very well with his.. I would like the coil over area's I have already hunted to see if I missed anything.

 

[Cfmct]

The weight on my Sov with battery and 13" coil is 4.8 lbs. but its not just the weight.... that coil is very well balanced.

Yes there were a lot of things we thought of after the fact. We were up high because we didnt really want to get into salt water in the hole.... but it was still damp sand. We were higher up..... that lead me to question the black sand. Im still not sure i wasnt picking it up. I was running 10 o'clock... then 12 o'clock. Tims little blue 8" is hot little coil.

Dew

I enjoyed the video and the test.. I run my GT at 10 all the time up here but once I get near the water I turn it down to 12 or it false's on one particular type of seaweed.

 

[dewcon]

I know what you mean Craig about sea weed. Must be a lot of salt concentration or minerals in those suckers. You cant go wrong with either coil.... and i doubt there is any difference in depth. So you are looking at weight and stability. The 13" can get cranky near the wave line and like Craig says you need to turn it down a bit or be willing to live with some falsing.

Dew

 

[Irons]

Was not shocking to me about the amazing depth of the GT,,,,,I already saw it with a very deep pull tab when Dew and I hunted a couple weeks ago,,,,I still want to get one and water proof it,,,,,I think if you did, it would have the advantage over all the machines,,,just a shame ML discontinued such a great machine,,,,what really was the most shocking part of the whole thing that your 8" would not get that 14k band at 10",,,

the other shocking part was your ATpro really holds it own,,,,IF you are fresh water hunting,,,,nice meeting you today,,,,

I'm not surprised.

 

[MexGT]

These tests WERE real world.... our world, lack of mineralization! For the CTX I stated how it was set up....Deep on wasn't enabled, neither was Fast Recovery.... I use Ferrous Coin because that is what works for me....that's the beauty of this machine....if it doesn't work for you, you can change to find out what does.

Could have easily planted the targets at 18" and then the machines would not necessarily pick up the targets....then what do you do?
We got to see what we wanted to see, you WILL never please everyone...so, take some gold and go dig some holes in your sand so you can see how your machine works in your conditions..... doesn't get any more real world than that.

Good Luck
Cliff

My point is, in the moment you guys raised detectors that's when the test was wrong, sure it may be "an idea" as most will see it but it doesnt come into consideration the conditions of the soil/sand of the test which is where each detector shines differently.

There is no real world conditions since no one goes walking with a coil raised 5"-10" of the ground ... lol

Depth =/= air height.

HH !

 

[cdv]

My point is, in the moment you guys raised detectors that's when the test was wrong, sure it may be "an idea" as most will see it but it doesnt come into consideration the conditions of the soil/sand of the test which is where each detector shines differently.

There is no real world conditions since no one goes walking with a coil raised 5"-10" of the ground ... lol

Depth =/= air height.

HH !

I've been wrong most of my life, no sense in changing now!