Nokta Impact information

[tnsharpshooter]

Alright take a look at the pic below,,US nickel along with some nails and a big chunk of iron. Iron does come above plane of nickel here.

The ruler is in pic for scale and one other reason.

With the items laying as they are in pic,,,,Impact wearing smaller coil will detect nickel.
Sweep does have to be down the same line,,,as I have the ruler laid.

Even with some higher disc Impact will detect nickel.

Using 20khz a necessity.

Now I posted this pic,,,so if users decide to buy,,,this is something interesting about this pic and this detector wearing smaller coil.

Now the ruler is in pic,,so some scale for a person looking can see how close everything is to nickel,,and the bigger piece of iron.

Remember sweeping over the nickel in a line parallel to the way ruler is layed.

Remember the smallest coil is 4x7.5",, so the coil is partially over the bigger piece of iron and a lot of the nails.

Now,,if I covered this setup up with a sheet of newspaper,,and a person swung their Impact smallest coil in a fashion I've described here,,,they likely might not hear the nickel???

Why???

I have already posted some info here,,talking about the Impact's overload on a few objects.

So if a person swept low,,they would get overload signal--- the iron piece sure ain't small.

But if a person raises coil slightly to when overload tone ceases,,,,the nickel comes through as nonferrous tone,

So when out in the field,,folks who get an overload signal,,,DON'T dismiss as nothing there nonferrous wise to detect. And again remember the Impact detector's smallest coil measures 7.5" long.

This pic shows a I think very challenging nickel to detect with any detector wearing a smaller coil.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Impact detector has overload volume adjustment.

It is accomplished using the main volume,,on/off knob.

When detector is set to max volume,,overload tone set at minimum volume level.

When volume is set approximately half way,,,overload tone is maximum volume wise.

Folks using wired headsets with vol control,,,can run the detector wide open volume wise on detector controls,,,and then adjust volume using the control on headset to detect with lower overload volume sound if they desire.

 

[bibelot]

You sure are digging a lot of junk with that machine ? or is that part of the learning process ?

 

[bibelot]

Impact detector has overload volume adjustment.


When detector is set to max volume,,overload tone set at minimum volume level.

Sunray Pro gold head phones has the same system integrated into the head phone set.

 

[bibelot]

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[tnsharpshooter]

You sure are digging a lot of junk with that machine ? or is that part of the learning process ?

This detector will allow a person to not dig much junk,,,if that is their wishes.

In sites where I can tell by using detector,,,not much modern trash,,,I will take dig more targets that typically ID wise would be junk.

A person if they are willing to pass on zincolns, will not dig screw caps.
Crown caps will be IDed with iron volume buzz.
Can slaw is quickly weeded out too.

Perons does need to be able to understand how the non normalized ID works for IDing junk targets using 5khz vs the other freqs.

This detector operates at 5khz, 14khz, and 20 kHz,,,T2 classic operates at primarily just one freq (grouping).

Impact detector also has a similar system for offsetting frequency for emi mitigation,,,just like T2.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

More data based on use(detecting).

A person choosing to hunt sites where iron and nails are present,,,little modern trash,,DI99 a good choice here.

DI99 mode also seems to be the deepest mode in my area soil wise ( to call a nonferrous target with tone).

Sites with modern trash,,smaller foil, etc,,,3 tone mode here is a good choice,,operator does get to set their tone breaks.

If a person chooses to use DI99 in sites with modern trash,,,,good higher conductors can be missed.
It is not that the detector doesn't detect the (higher conductors) -coins,,,it is just the tone provided is shorter,,and this gives the less duration for a person to pick up on higher tone.

This detector is EXTREMELY good in sites with modern trash,,and iron and nails to boot,,,ESPECIALLY with smallest coil.
I don't have the midsized coil,,so I can't rate it.

Today,,I went back to one of my sites,,,a 10ft by10ft area,,an area I have even had Impact detector in with smallest coil.

Discovered 2 additional coins,,and I think (according to landowner) the screw that held a handsaw blade to handle.

These targets today,,,I checked every one of them after detection (discovered using 20khz).

Toggling down through the other freqs,,,watching the TID,,and also WATCHING if the targets discovered using 20khz,,did they get more sweep speed critical or dissapear altogether.

Two of the targets got very bad to detect using 5khz.
This was telling me these targets heavily masked,,,I could even see a little bit of difficulty using 14khz to actually detect the targets.

It is very surprising to see these targets,,how well they come in using 20khz.

Also,,this site,,I noticed while running 3 tone,,the detector was reporting with a disc of level of 3,,,20khz a lot of lower tone,,,very short sound hits.

I thought to myself,,why in the world is the detector hitting on so much,,with this disc level,,it should 't be iron,,and I could hear no iron buzz happening.

So I upped the disc to 5 then 6 while sweeping,,,I was still getting hits,,,very low reading 17-20 TID,,,,so after farther investigation,,all this was was small bits of foil.
Now this what the detector was doing here on the foil,,not a nuisance by no means,,,just I was double checking,,,to ensure what the site had at this particualr place.

Also forgot to say,,,3 tone a tad more emi resilant vs DI99 mode.
And this makes sense since DI99 a bit deeper.

Also should note,,my. 3 tone program was in factory default settings upon arrival to site,,,it don't take long to configure mode for hunting,,,with settings changes.

Something else to say about this detector while wearing smallest coil,,,it even sees junk targets that many other detectors can't even see,,and iron and nails too.
Some folks may find this statement strange sounding, like why would you want a detector that sees junk targets and iron and nails that other detectors can't??

This is part of the magic ( sauce) with this detector (along with this smallest coil),,and remember a detector even it can't see some junk targets,,iron and nails it may not be able can't pick out the good stuff (separating it out).

 

[Donsell]

Thanks for taking the time to provide your thoughts TSS.

I'll be looking to purchase in May and had been considering the Deus, but it seems from your comments that the Impact competes pretty well with it. It seems like the Deus offers a weight advantage and the ability to store your own programs. The Impact is less expensive, especially in the cost of additional coils.

How else would you contrast the two? Is the recovery speed of the Impact similar to the Deus?

If you were to guide an ATP user that loves both coin and relic hunting but wants to make a step up and has a $1500 budget to the Impact, or would you suggest the Deus or E Trac?

I wish I had the opportunity to try the three before I purchased, but I don't see that happening.

Thanks, I appreciate your thoughts.

 

[5 mile]

Good thorough testing and reports tns, keeping my eye on the Impact, but also had an eye for the Relic too.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Thanks for taking the time to provide your thoughts TSS.

I'll be looking to purchase in May and had been considering the Deus, but it seems from your comments that the Impact competes pretty well with it. It seems like the Deus offers a weight advantage and the ability to store your own programs. The Impact is less expensive, especially in the cost of additional coils.

How else would you contrast the two? Is the recovery speed of the Impact similar to the Deus?

If you were to guide an ATP user that loves both coin and relic hunting but wants to make a step up and has a $1500 budget to the Impact, or would you suggest the Deus or E Trac?

I wish I had the opportunity to try the three before I purchased, but I don't see that happening.

Thanks, I appreciate your thoughts.

I am going to try an answer here,,,without hopefully starting a detector war.

I like all the detectors you have mentioned above.

Price,,you notice it is cheaper than Etrac with stock coil,,and Deus with a one coil setup.

The Impact detector will find nonferrous finds if a person buys the propack package (stock and smalles coil) the other 2 detectors with their respective coils won't.

Now the Etrac is deeper and has better ID for the targets it finds. (Key word here is "finds".

Deus depth is similar to Impact,,,but in milder to slightly more minerlized soil only.

You up the minerals to past medium,,,Deus is deeper. (Gives nonferrous tone on nonferrous target).

Actually in the higher mineral soils,,Deus is even a tad deeper than Etrac
(giving nonferrous tone on nonferrous target)

Impact offers a faster toggle between settings vs Deus,,especially changing frequency,,unless a person using Deus sets up an adjacent program with different settings,,,,then really no advantage.

Emi
Etrac the clear winner here I think site to site.
Deus I rate number 2 overall.
Impact would get a tied rating here with Deus,,,but the 20kh on Impact,,it is more emi subceptible here,,and if it from an emi standpoint was as good in 20khz as it was in 14khz,,it would rate as good as Deus.

The weight factor,,Deus clear winner,,followed by Impact then Etrac.

For controlled digging chasing coins,,,Etrac clear winner,,followed by Impact,then Deus.

A lot of a person's decision will have to do with::
What kinds of sites,,how trashy,,how many nails and iron,,and their target intent??

Lower conductors,,,Impact the winner here,,mainly because it will see some smaller lower conductors slightly Better thsan Deus.

Deus would fall in second place here.

Etrac last.

As far as what are the enemies moreso using each of these detectors,,,what hinders their abilities to find worthy targets??

Etrac it is iron and nails,,NOT smaller modern trash (lower condcutive)

Deus it is modern trash (small lower conductive),,NOT iron or nails.

Impact falls in line with Deus as far as nails and iron NOT being a hindrance,,,smaller modern trash can be,,,but here is the twist,,,,impact gives operator 2 choices of smaller coils vs Deus,,,the smallest coil for Impact is one tight rascal and offers a person some real ability to squeeze out finds from both modern trash and iron and nails.
The medium sized coil,,I don't have and can't rate.
Could it separate better in places than what Deus can do with current produced/released 9" coil?? Very possible and if I were going to make an educated guess based on what Inhave witnessed with the stock and smallest coil on Impact,,I say Yes,,,but remember Xp has a new smaller width coil a coming,,,how will it separate vs the older 9" coil??? I don't know yet,,anyway.

Maybe here is a good way to answer and put things into perspective.

I would feel very comfortable detecting in most places in USA where soil minerals levels are medium and lower,,,if I had an Etrac,,or even one of the older explorer models and an Impact detector,,a person does need the smaller coil though. And having the medium sized coil maybe too.

I could say the same thing about having a Etrac or one of the older explorers and a Deus with 9" coil,,,but there will be some worthy finds that will not be discovered with either of these detectors since Deus doesn't have a smaller coil like Impact.

A FBS/FBS2 detector like Etrac and CTX cannot in some instances even wearing a 5" or 6" coil,,,keep up with Impact wearing smallest coil.

Deus wearing 9" coil can see things Etrac and CTX wearing smaller coils won't see,,,and vice versa--- depends on the exact detecting scenario with any one target.

For a one detector setup,,Impact is a good choice.
A good choice too to back up and complement a FBS/fbs2 detector.

An already Deus owner,,most of what they will see,,if they purchased Impact would be the differences noted by using smallest coil on Impact,,,and possible some using the midsized coil on Impact.

I do think when folks who get the Impact,,,reports when they start coming in will support a lot of what I talk about here.

I hope this helps you and others here.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Good thorough testing and reports tns, keeping my eye on the Impact, but also had an eye for the Relic too.

I will compare the Nokta relic detector here with Impact.

First the Relic detector is very good on lower conductors even round and odd shaped,,,even better on odd shaped vs Deus.

A top machine in and around ferrous materials.

It only operates on one frequency group 19khz.

It cost less than impact and Deus.

It doesn't offer all the settings changes Impact gives user.

It is not as good a modern trash Hunter as Impact,,as far as identification goes.

Relic detector to get similar/close performance to Impact is sparkier.

And with sparks can come with some missed targets.

Impact audio more intelligent here with less sparks off the iron and nails.

Nokta Relic wearing smallest coil top notch performer,,,best I've seen for a small coil detector,,,,until arrival of Impact.

Impact smallest coil is narrower,,this does give it some additional separation capabilities,,,as well as a 1khz higher operating frequency.

The one advantage,,both detectors wearing smallest coils,,,since Impact smallest coil is football shaped,,,vs round for the Impact,,,Relic detector's coil can be placed Up closer to obstacles vs Impact. So some additional finds could be had.

But ground coverage of the Impact's smallest coil is bigger,,so some additional finds could be had here as well.

Impact's smallest coil,,,this coil very hard to saturate,,,don't let its overall size fool you,,,,a top performer in iron and nails,,and modern trash.

Relic detector can squeeze out coins and other things out of polluted sites,,and Impact as well.

The overall styles of the detector different.
If I had to swing a stock coil on both for days on end,,advantage Relic detector for balance and handling.

Both deadly units,,,both have my utmost respect. If a person gets to hunt with someone who knows how to run either,,,watch out.

Both of these detectors wearing stock coils do give performance overall that reminds me of Deus performance.
I have 2 of these detectors,,and was supplied the third for testing.

Interesting lot here.

Hope this info helps you.
If you have any other questions I will try an answer.

 

[Donsell]

It does help a lot. Thank you. It sounds like Nokta designed a good machine.

I'm still a couple of months out. I've been going back and forth about getting the E Trac or Deus, but now I look forward to more reviews of the Impact.

 

[5 mile]

Impact sounds very competitive with deus, could pull potential buyers that way.

 

[Cordo]

TN, how do you compare the Impact and the Racer 2? I am down to these two.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

TN, how do you compare the Impact and the Racer 2? I am down to these two.

Alright,
Impact cost more obviously.

Comparing the 2 while hunting.

Stock coil
Hunting in nails and iron,,,Racer 2 not as smooth,,will be sparkier as the coil passes over the nail points.

Separation wise,,,,close at 14khz,,using 20khz gives Impact the edge.

Depth wise advantage to Impact,,,as soil mineral levels rise,,this advantage closes,,,but using 5khz in higher mineral soil still slight edge to Impact using certain modes and 5khz on higher conductive targets.

Target Identification,,advantage to Impact,,,user will dig less junk vs Racer 2 user on average.

Bottle caps,,,advantage goes to Impact,,both detectors will give users clues as far coil position be it raised or moved forward or backwards,,,Impact will sniff these things out with iron volume,,plus using 5khz on Impact,,,user will notice when compared to sweeping caps with 14and 20khz,,,impact seems not to like bottlecaps,,tone provided can be splotchy on caps.

The DI99 mode that Impact possesses vs Racer2,, this mode really exposes the separation and unmasking capabilities of the Impact detector when in areas heavily loaded with iron and. Nails,,,where a users goal is mostly to find any nonferrous target period.

Audio overall,,in cleaner ground,,(some of the modes) they sound similar,,,but as the trash and ferrous materials build in density,,,advantage Impact.

Smaller coil use.

Depth
Similar,,,but I give edge to Impact.
In my soil hunting in some "bad" sites I have been pulling finds at 6.5" deep using DI99 mode gain set to 95,, id. Mask and isat at 0 settings.
Some smaller nonferrous too.
Remember my soil is pegging 2 bars on Impact mineralization meter.in lower elevations here where I do most of my hunting.
In cleaner ground I have in 2bars soil achieved a few 7" deep finds(coins).
Separation
Bigger difference here noted vs stock coil usage.
Using 14khz small advantage to Impact
Using 20khz,, a larger advantage to Impact.
Using 5khz on Impact,,has disadvantage here to Racer 2 (moreso in iron and nails vs modern nonferrous trash)

Impact detector can by way of disc setting (and it seems internal engineering)be a quieter detector yet find things iron and trash Racer 2 can't/won't.

Users of Impact by way of toggling to 5khz,,have advantage over Racer2 for weeding out junk targets (by way of ID reporting using non normalized vdi settings).

All of the data above,,,reflective of using Impact and Racer 2 in indicated 2 bars soil on Impact's minerlization meter.

Milder soil,,,could bring different results,,,and higher mineralized soil than 2 bars indicated on Impact could bring different results.

I have had Impact and Racer 2 in a few sites indicating 3bars soil on Impact,,but I don't have enough info currently on which to give comparison results.

Folks should remember,,,the meter for indicating mineralization on Impact for Impact detector ONLY,,,these bar readings NOT congruent,,,they don't carry over to Makro Racer series detectors,,even Fisher F75 series,,or Xp Deus,,and other detectors.

 

[pigEye]

I've been trying to keep up with this post, very good information. Tnss, you have done everyone here a great service by taking the time to create this wealth of knowledge, and I thank you for this, as I'm sure everyone else does too!

I apologize in advance if this was covered already, but my question is, "would you purchase the Impact with your own money?"

Thanks!

 

[tnsharpshooter]

I've been trying to keep up with this post, very good information. Tnss, you have done everyone here a great service by taking the time to create this wealth of knowledge, and I thank you for this, as I'm sure everyone else does too!

I apologize in advance if this was covered already, but my question is, "would you purchase the Impact with your own money?"

Thanks!

A good question.
Even having a Nokta Relic detector,,,and just selling my Racer 2 detector,,,the answer is YES.
And having 2 Deus units.

For my style of hunting,,and my sites,,,would be a very welcomed purchase.

Now if I hadn't been able to see what I have so far with this detector,,I might have to wait for some other purchasers and see what they think before I would leap.

Hopefully when folks if they purchase their units,,,they can read this before,, and after they purchase,,,and even after they run their units for a while,,,can come back here and reread.
I think they will see some things I've said,,,and the lightbulb may turn on faster.

And my posting this thread,,,,does by no means mean a purchaser shouldn't start their own thread and make their comments.

I claim no monopoly here period as far as this detector or any other detector.

Also,,there will be some newer members who may ask a question showing interest towards the detector. Just by linking this thread,,,,should hold them for a while as far as information.

 

[Cordo]

Thank you TN for your knowledge and insight!

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Thank you TN for your knowledge and insight!

You are welcome.

 

[Donsell]

Hi TNSS -

I just read Thomas Dankowski's thread on the Impact. He talks a lot about EMI and how Nokta worked during the beta to mitigate it.

What was your experience with it? Was it more susceptible to EMI than the ETrac and Deus?