Metal Detecting Banned

Falafal is right the bill is dead in committee. It seems that you would be penalizing a farmer who wanted to put up a fence. I know some people try to use the state law against detecting in state parks to keep people out of city parks. Some are saying that we need to mimic what the state does. We need to stop them now before it is illegal. The problem is that there are people out there running us out of parks where it is legal to detect and we need to stop it now. Ice
 
It wouldn't hurt if individuals, or clubs, joined the FMDAC.
http://www.fmdac.org/
That site no-worky, asks for a name and pass before you can proceed.

So sorry you're having trouble with MD'ing rules. Wish I could help. I do have one thing to add to what you take with you to your meeting, though. Sometimes pictures work more than words, since they don't take the time to read things like the code of ethics that we all abide by. You might take pictures of the dangerous items that you find and get rid of, like 6 inch nails, needles, sharp objects, etc., PLUS pic's of the hole's you dig, before and after, so that the "non-believer's" can see the neatness in our hobby, instead of them having a mindset of overall negativity about us. You might even point out that you could be saving the city liability suits on someone that could step on the trash that is left underground, and that we are helping them clean the parks, one pulltab at a time. :yes:
Good luck with your venture, and please keep us posted.
GiGi
Part of the problem is going to be that they won't care or take the time listen unless you give them a really good reason too. Hence the reason I suggested a MDing fee, "they" are always looking for money.
 
Its always about money, if not there should be a governor from Illinois that will be looking for a job soon :D . Is there a link to the actual bill, I didn't see one on that page. From the way it sounds though, that bill would make it illegal to even plant a tree (hint, hint). Always look for a way to put them on the defense.
 
Update on Mayor Townhall Meeting

I checked metro Louisville's web site 2 days before the scheduled meeting only to find that the meeting had been canceled. No update on when it would be rescheduled. I guess it was canceled due to too close to Christmas. Saw on the Mayor's web site that he was meeting with Obama's transition team. This was probably the reason. I am tracking bills BR 251 An Act relating to human remains and burial objects and BR 252 An Act relating to historic preservation.
 
Here's an update. The Mayor had a meeting Monday 1/26/09 and some from the detecting club Bluegrass Loop and Coil brought up mding in parks. The Mayor shut them down and didn't want to hear any discussion on the subject. He said it was already done. I wasn't there, just got the info from a md buddy of mine who heard what went on. There's a petition from them going around I'll post.
 
Update on Metal Detecting Law Louisville Ky

[FONT=&quot]Hello,
I am the acting president of Bluegrass Loop & Coil Club. ( www.bglacc.home.insightbb.com )
We are a group of local metal detecting enthusiasts that promote the hobby by sharing knowledge and teaching proper target recovery techniques to new detector owners. Some members of our club have been detecting in the local parks for 30+ years and until last year have had no problems with the city.
There are no laws on the books against metal detecting and no mention of it being a prohibited activity in the published Metro Parks Rules and Regulations.
Last year, members of our club were being threatened with arrest and physical assault by parks employees. After many attempts to resolve this went unanswered by the Parks Department, our members started contacting our Council Members and State Senators for support.
On Monday, 2/9, Mr. Mike Hietz of the Parks Department told our member Eddie Black, that it was his attempts to get Frankfort involved that sealed the fate of all detecting in all 122 Metro Parks.
We think this would make a good human interest story for your station and with your support and that of the community, we hope to get this ridiculous and unfair ban repealed. This ban obviously discriminates against the senior sector of our population since they make up the majority participating in this hobby.
I hope to hear from you soon about this subject.

Thanks you for your time,
Don Forrest[/FONT]<o>:p></o>:p>

February 17, 2009 the local news media WLKY Channel 32 did a short news story on the ban and interview Mike Heitz Metro Parks Director about the ban. He said that the ban is consistent with the ban on metal detecting in State and Federal Parks and pertains to artifact collecting which is prohibited. They are crafting an ordinance as we speak to give police arrest powers to arrest anyone caught violating the new ban in 122 local parks. Below is the link to the news story.

http://www.wlky.com/news/18727654/detail.html
 
So what if you find a 2007 penny in the sand box, is that artifact collecting?:?::D:?:

That cop guy sounds like a pain in the neck
 
If you found it with a metal detector then yes, in Louisville Metro Government's wisdom it would be considered an "artifact" and you would be subject for arrest by one of Louisville's finest and would be spending the night in the gray bar hotel being fed a bologna sandwich by a "real" criminal paid for by your's truely's tax dollars!:mad:
 
I suggest contacting the Mayor AND signing the petition

I would suggest everyone talk about this to anyone that will listen! I am just considering this hobby, but am outraged by Louisville's decision to ban it in their parks. The idea of wasting my tax money for this... grrrrrrrrr...... let me quit ranting.

I decided to send a letter to the Mayor of Louisville, Mayor Jerry Abramson. I also intend on sending this letter to every other city and state official I can find and talking to everyone I know about the misuse of our tax dollars! If they have so much money to waste, I'll take a tax break!

Here is a copy of the email I sent to Mayor Abramson:

I have just learned that Louisville has passed an ordinance which prohibits the use of metal detectors in/on any public grounds. I am writing you today to express my concerns and voice my strong disagreement with such a decision. Further, I would like some clarification from your office as to the intent of this ordinance.

Mr. Abramson, I realize that there is a certain level of disruption that comes with a hobby such as this; however, there are far more prudent ways to deal with the destruction of public property if needed. If such an ordinance was enacted, I am certain that the overwhelming majority of enthusiasts would support your decision. This being the case, I am appauled at the City’s decision to outright ban this hobby in Louisville’s 122 city and county parks.

From what I have read, this ban is based on the premise that people are taking items that would be considered as protected under the Kentucky Antiquities Act. However, surely you, your cabinet, and your voters realize that this is not the case. The fact of the matter is that 99% of the items removed by hobbyists are regarded as trash – pull tabs from soda cans, old coke bottle caps, and pieces of scrap metal, etc… In addition to these items, they find some change (typically less than 20 years old), some jewelry, and occasionally (depending largely on the history of the location) some sort of odd civil war remnants (buttons, badge, belt buckle, etc…). If someone were to stretch, they could claim that the civil war items were antiquities; however, since these items are almost always deteriorated to the point where they are unrecognizable, I doubt that stretch could be made. Further, if the aim of this ordinance was to protect such items, it should have been written as such and policed as such. If the aim was to protect truly historical sites, it should be written and enforced as such.

What this ordinance does do Mr. Abramson, is prevent people from discovering the history of an area, of discovering how an area was used, whom might have populated it previously, etc… Further, it hurts the economy, both locally and nationally. People buy metal detectors from stores here in Louisville. Then they head to a local park, school ground, etc… and search for a while where if they are lucky, they pick up a dollar or two in loose change, with little to no numismatic value, and a bag full of trash. Either before they arrive, or after they leave, they then stop at a local convenience store and purchase a drink and a snack and depending on where they drove from, they purchase gasoline.

So, Mr. Abramson, this ordinance, which required countless hours to get passed (in multiple attempts counting the state and local levels), the parks and recreation’s personnel time to enforce it and perhaps police intervention (which takes away from their primary role (to serve and PROTECT))… for what? To prevent people from bettering the local economy or cleaning up our parks?

From my perspective Mr. Abramson, this type of ordinance perfectly illustrates the misuse of our tax dollars. There is no inkling of public service in this ordinance. Moreover, it creates an additional public burden by its institution. I for one do not want to bear this burden! These times are trying enough and we could all, including the City of Louisville, use this money for much better purposes!

Mr. Abramson, in addition to hearing your perspective on this matter and the reasoning behind the decision to enact this ordinance, I am imploring you to repeal this decision. I am sure your constituents would appreciate your use of sound judgment on how Louisville spends their hard earned tax dollars come reelection time.
 
I have read this thread and really feel terrible for you all that have detecting banned in your parks. I think this is so unfair to those that follow the code of ethics. I can tell you that I am the Chairman of Parks and Recreation in my town (it is a voluntary board). The topic of MD'ing had come up in earlier meetings when I first joined the board and I explained to the other members the do's and do not's as far as MD'ing is concerned and showed them a copy of the code of ethics. I am also a police officer in my town so it was easy to put the other board members at ease that the police department would monitor those dectecting and if they were found to be damaging property (not filling in holes), leaving trash or interfering with recreation activities then the police would first educate the individual. If that individual was again found to be in violation than issue that particular person a "no trespass order" banning them from MD'ing at the park (not everyone). I can tell you, we have been lucky. We are a small town and besides myself I only have met two other detectorists and they both also follow the code of ethics, so there have been no problems.
So I guess what I am trying to say is. If you can't pursuade them to change the law, then get enough of people to either challenge or join the governing party that is making these rules and out vote them. They should paying more attention to things such as graffiti and tagging on parks and recreation buildings as well as youth drinking and drug use in the parks like we do here rather than picking on respectful hobbyists.
Good luck with the fight and stay persistent.
 
I say get 300 or so of the oldest detectorists you can find, gather in a central park with high visibility and start detecting in protest. Call the local TV news and pour all the trash collected in one pile for the cameras.
The police are unlikely to round up senior citizens and put them in paddy wagons, especially with the news cameras around.
 
The police are unlikely to round up senior citizens and put them in paddy wagons, especially with the news cameras around.

watch this and see if your mind changes with how cops handle senior citizens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpfO-ItzOq8


I wouldn't put it passed a cop. I no longer trust cops, politicians or any one from the government. I dont have any ill will towards them, I wouldnt even say I dislike them.. I just dont trust them. Any of them. Cops are going to do whatever they want to do because they think they are above the law. Politicians are a bunch of liars who sell out to the highest bidder.

Good luck.
 
(2) "Object of antiquity" means a ruin, monument, relic, bone deposit, artifact or any product of human workmanship of Indians or any aboriginal race or pioneers. "Department" means the Department of Anthropology of the University of Kentucky.

So this law indicates you should be fine coinhunting etc, so long as you do not dig indian relics or pioneer relics or goods.
 
Keep it going....

falafal, It sounds like you have a good start on getting things turned around, and I thank you for your efforts! It is through this type of "grassroots" action that we in the hobby can keep our hobby alive. The sad truth is that there are some "power-hungry" people that do have the gumption to do any thing physical so they view us that do as bad.... We need to stand up for ourselves!

Thank you for all that you are doing!

HH, Dave...........
 
Im not from the area but I say we do a flashmob. All of a sudden a few hundred people show up in one park with metal detectors. Id be there.
 
it always something

You see this with everything, skateboarding, rollerblades, swimming in streams , now metal detectors as well. The list is endless. Once upon a time America was as dream country for ppl who didnt follow the grain and wanted to explore and stake claims to what they found. Now its illegal to be different. Free thinking healthy individuals are more or less banned because they could possible threaten the stability of all the pompous bloated bags in governmental roles. MONEY MONEY MONEY GREED GREED GREED. . . . i love america, just not whats its become.

This is probably a rant to many but its a creed to live by for me. :lol:

*advice* buy a md and go find a gun, , :lol:
 
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