UKMETAL said:
There needs to be an update asap i have found a big problem unless its my coil /software issue. Im in contact with minelab via email and telephone. Ireland office keep passing the issue on to Australia with no reply at all for last 7 emails calls and over 6 months now.
7 months w/o a good reply says something to me about Customer Service. It just doesn't say anything favorable.
I live here in the USA and I have owned and used about a dozen Minelab detectors going back to the BBS Sovereigns, 4+ FBS Explorer II's and an SE Pro, and X-Terra 30, 50, 70 and worked with a 705. No, not a NOX, but I have a few friends who have, or have-had, both the 600 and 800 versions, and I have done quite a few comparisons with them, side-by-side, on an assortment of located targets as well as some of my 'test samples' to see what they can, and can't, do.
By the way, at a Minelab Dealer Seminar in early 2012 we were told that Minelab was changing all of the detector production to Malaysia, and since that time I have heard about more quality control issues as well as complaints regarding Customer Service.
UKMETAL said:
The nox will NOT pick up good coin under iron nail ( one way only ) but will if turned 90 degrees.. In real time in field we dont do that unless we get a slight reason to investigate more like slight tone and iron together.
DIGGER27 said:
Sorry man, no.
You are talking about detecting a target in a position we call "Down the Pipe", and there are very few detectors out there that can do this well so there is nothing wrong with your Nox.
Don't believe me, look on YouTube for Monte nail board test...there are a lot there with all kinds of detectors and coils testing out exactly this problem.
Position #2, Direction #4.
You will notice some can get at least a decent signal but very few, most just can't pick up the coin nearly as well, if at all, as if you turned 90 degrees and hit the coin and nail the short way instead of the long way...exactly as you described.
I agree with Digger27,with regard to trying to 'fix' something that really isn't broken. personally, I am not a big fan of models that are promoted as being
'updateable' because they ought to be well designed in the first place to accomplish a set of desired tasks. If a detector can not perform a specific function or two when tested, then it apparently wasn't something a design engineered figured needed to be done, or it just couldn't be done easily without some trade-off with other performance behavior thy wanted to accomplish ... at least with the circuitry design they were working with.
There is no such thing as a 'perfect' detector. There are some very good detectors out there, and some of them can handle certain tasks better than others, but they will all have some trade-offs or weaknesses.
In my personal Outfit of Regular-Use Detectors I have 3 models & coils 'assigned' to my serious Relic Hunting Team:
• Nokta FORS CoRe w/
'OOR' DD
(4.7X5.2)
• FORS Relic w/5" DD
• Tesoro Bandido II microMAX w/6" Concentric
In my Urban Coin & Jewelry Hunting Team I have these 3 models and coils at-the-ready:
• Teknetics T2+ w/10" elliptical DD
• Makro Racer 2 w/7" Concentric
• Tesoro Silver Sabre microMAX w/6" Concentric
Also available in my 'Specialty-Use Team' I have the following detector & coil outfits and can pick from if I want to tote extras:
• White's IDX Pro
(modified) w/6½" Concentric
• White's XLT w/6½" Concentric
• Fisher F-44 w/7" Concentric
Note that some of the models in one 'Group' can also serve me well in another Group, yet some of them fall short on performance in another 'Group.' Some have settings or features that others lack. And in almost every case, these devices fit my desire to keep things
'Simple' yet
'Functional' and still provide
'Performance' w/o a lot of adjustment tweaking and tinkering.
My
Nail Board Performance Test came about from a ghost town site encounter the end of May in 1994. It was a US Indian Head Cent laying on top of the ground where the old school used to stand, and it was surrounded by four different size and shape Iron Nails. I checked that with the unit I was evaluating. Demonstrated it to three fellows with the other brand detectors using a large-size standard coil, and had a friend demonstrate how her low-cost, silent-search, turn-on-and-go model could perform. I then used my notebook paper and pressed the objects on it to get their exact position, then picked them up and made a duplicated layout test board.
For over 25 years now I have relied on the
NBPT to start an initial evaluation performance test on any make or model detector and coil I get in my hands. I make a complete sweep across the entire board of nails with a 1¢ coin in the center or #1 position. A slow and methodical sweep because I'm engaging a tough iron nail challenge. The initial approach is a full-length search sweep and not a little "Minelab wiggle."
Sweeping from the left and the right, following the 4 marked routes, there are 8 hits possible. I consider 6-out-of-8 as barely passing the test, and I won't use anything that can't give me 7-out-of-8 or 8-out-of-8 for dedicated Relic Hunting in a heavily iron littered site. I have some Coin Hunting models that handle it, but most of my casual urban Coin Hunting detectors usually don't confront that type of challenge. I just like to know what they can do.
Diggger27 referred you to the #2 coin position which is close but just to the side of an iron nail about half-way down its length. That's another challenging test that most detector/coil combinations do not handle very well. I have one other in my set of Test Samples I use that is even more challenging.
I have a brass button-front I found in a ghost town. It is just about the thickness of a US 1¢ coin at the rounded edges, but it is very thin because it is missing the back-piece and loop attachment. It is almost exactly the same diameter of a US 1¢ coin. I also have a 3½" long Iron Nail. It is not a thicker or larger size button front or larger than a US 1¢ coin, as that would make it easier to be detected. It is simply a tougher test for comparison.
I can lay the Button Front
(no back piece or attachment loop) on the ground. Then place the 3½"-4" Iron Nail on top of the button front and exactly under the center length of the Nail.
I then sweep across this set-up crosswise and then lengthwise, making a complete coil pass from off to the side across to the other side. Two passes from two directions for a possible of 4 hits. Most detectors I have tested or watched as others tested their detectors and coils and settings, set up the way they would normally search a site, will only produce 2-out-of-4 hits.
Some makes and models will get 2 hits sweeping lengthwise
only, while a couple of models will give 2 hits when sweeping
crosswise only. And I ask for this sample to be tested using three Discriminate settings:
• With the Discrimination
just barely low enough to give an audio response on the Iron Nail.
• Increased Discrimination to the point that the Iron Nail is
just barely rejected.
• Then increase the Discrimination to the Ferrous / Non-Ferrous break-point.
So far, using just normal adjustment for day-to-day hunting, and checking out all three of the above Discrimination settings, there are only TWO detector models I have witnessed so far that can sweep the Nail & Button Front both lengthwise and crosswise and produce 4-out-of-4 hits. Those are the Nokta FORS CoRe and Nokta FORS Relic.
No detector I currently own, nor have owned in the past three years, to include an XP ORX and many others, and no one using a Deus, Equinox or other major brand has accomplished 4-out-of-4 when we've done these side-by-side comparisons. The only exception was when an EQ-800 w/6" DD coil and an ORX w/5X9½ DD were tinkered with a bunch and used a single frequency of about 45 kHz to 71 kHz with other adjustments just to pass this one test. Not a practical thing to do for general searches.
UKMETAL said:
I think its a software or coil signal issue tbh and im guessing minelab dont want to admit this what being there Nox sales.. even tho they will be concentrating in the Garret/Vanquish release
I don't believe it is a software issue nor a coil signal issue.
On the other-hand, if we buy into a manufacturer's marketing, we should ALL dump our current detectors from what they claim about the Vanquish. Here's a cut-and-paste:
MINELAB said:
with my Bold and Underline emphasis.
"No matter what you seek, VANQUISH has you covered. Simply select one of the four Find Modes — Coin, Relic, Jewellery, or All Metal — then start swinging. Each mode is pre-programmed and optimised to give you the best performance, anytime and anywhere: park, field or beach. You can even save your favourite settings to a custom Find Mode.
VANQUISH welcomes tough terrain. It dominates at the beach in wet sand and salt water, outperforming other detectors that can’t compete. 25 discrimination segments deliver ultimate control over what metals you want to accept or reject."
Monte