Harley-Dog
Senior Member
I carry a .22 Beretta everywhere I go, including md'ing...except if I'm detecting schoolgrounds. Every town has idiots, so I carry 24-7.
Harley-Dog
Harley-Dog
Do you "carry" while detecting?
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.22s are great. For squirrels. They don't carry enough stopping power for a human. I wouldn't carry anything smaller than a 9mm personally, even a .380 is on the iffy side.
tabdog
Elite Member
I have been attacked while metal detecting.
I decided to start carrying when I feel unsure
of my surroundings,
For the most in comfort and concealability, I
carry this 5 shot 22 Mag,
or I may carry this light weight 32 auto,
If I go out in the woods, I may carry my Colt
38 Spl in a holster,
Happy Huntin,
I decided to start carrying when I feel unsure
of my surroundings,
For the most in comfort and concealability, I
carry this 5 shot 22 Mag,
or I may carry this light weight 32 auto,
If I go out in the woods, I may carry my Colt
38 Spl in a holster,
Happy Huntin,
digdug1968
Elite Member
I've heard that a lot. But I'll take even a .22 over a digging tool, knife, etc. anyday.
I prefer the 9mm for carry, due to size and concealability vs. larger calibers / guns.
Rule #1 to winning a gunfight - bring your gun.
tabdog
Elite Member
I would not like to see the man who could take 5 shots
from a 22 Mag and keep coming. That would have a beading
womb similar to a shotgun blast.
A 22 cal will stop 99 percent of attackers, unless you miss.
22 cal was the choice for gangster assignations for decades.
Before the 60's, more people died of 22 cal wombs than any
type of gun in the USA.
General George C Patton carried a 32 auto and shot it at an
enemy airplane in battle.
If you want stopping power, the 380 is no better than a 32
auto.
A 9mm will not do it. You need about 230 grains of weight
and more diameter in your bullet.
The Colt 45 SAA was the first small hand gun with stopping
power and the repeating reliability of the 45 Long Colt round.
They later discovered the same thing in the early 20th century.
That is when they developed the 1911, 45 auto. Both these
rounds are bigger and heavier than a puny 380 at measly 70
grains of lead.
Happy Huntin,
burlbark
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That incident did not require shooting the bear. It was a mother with cubs. I was walking the power lines running through the land when I looked up and saw a female black bear come out of the brush in front of me, around 30 yards. I crouched to one knee and pulled my Desert Eagle .44. 220 grain JHP with 14 grains of Hogdgon Universal... this equals a pretty good +p load.
I got up from my crouch and was astonished to see the bear had lost 200 lbs and was 5 yards closer to me..
It didnt take long to realize a cub was following her. I started making noise slapping my magazine into the bottom of my gun. I didnt want to start yelling bear. I just wanted her to get uncomfortable and move on. You dont want to scare a mother bear into defending her cub. She was oblivious to me and began eating huckleberries in front of me. She would not leave!!!! She was standing her ground. When she started to look like she was questioning me for food I put a shot in the ground between us from about 20 yards or less. She ran about 40 yards and stopped with cub. I would have liked to have seen her cover more ground.I returned to the area 2 days later and was waking with my wife and the owner of the land and the bear charged. It was a bluff but my wife and I had both drawn our guns before it got with in 10 yards and then it turned. I guess maybe it remembered the blast from 2 days earlier.
The 9mm would be hard pressed to stop a bear but I would give it my best.
I had a meth head running over his friend in the road in front of my house, all it took was making myself a bigger target for him and then drawing down. He put his hands up and surrendered. Or the time I got a knock on the door at 5am and a guy was being chased by people trying to kill him. I put one in the ground and it stopped that madness instantly.
Guns certainly have a place in todays society. The problems lie with the irresponsible behavior of the few and the blatant demonizing done by the movies and media.
burlbark
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First you endorse .22 caliber..... And then say the 9mm wont do it, which is entirely not true. And now you recommend .45. Hmm... there is some confusion going on here.
If I dont have to go carry gun, I carry .357 sig in my Glock and my Sig.
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tabdog
Elite Member
There is no confusion for me.
Any hand gun will stop almost anyone, usually without
even firing a shot.
"knock down power" is something else.
If you read closely, you will see that I did not recommend anything.
I can see your confusion, but I am not the source.
Happy Huntin,
mike_3720
Junior Member
I always carry my Kel-Tec, lightweight and easy to carry...
Old Town
moved on...
burlbank, I was having fun with you. I've read of a full size Brown being killed by a blueberry picker with a .22 rimfire. This was years ago in Alaska. There are many authentic cases of men shooting and stopping bears with 9mm and .38 Special. In New York City the old .38 Special used to be called the Polar Bear Gun after a cop was forced to shoot a white bear at a zoo who was busy mauling a person. Several mere .38s got into the lungs and the bear expired in minutes. More importantly he stopped ripping up the idiot who got into his area.
Two other polar bears were killed by Italian balloonists who crashed in the Arctic during the 30s. They only had a .38 Colt DA gun but still killed 2 bears at 50 feet with shots through the lungs. The bears were circling and seemed threatening. Both bears were eaten on the spot.
In a handgun I'd actually rather have a gun I could control quickly, like a 1911 in .45 acp or .38 Super, than one of the magnum rounds. No handgun has rifle power and so one benefits from multiple shots and adequate penetration. Any good solid in 9mm and above will go through a lot of meat. Bone is a problem in the big bears but with 8 or 10 shots, you'll miss most bones.
A hiker in Alaska recently made the news for killing a Grizz with a .45 acp. It can be done. It's all about staying calm in the center and hitting a good spot.
That said, make mine a big centerfire rifle of African caliber. I miss a lot and want to make the most of my accidental hits. (it's tough to shoot when you're crying for your momma)
Old Town
Two other polar bears were killed by Italian balloonists who crashed in the Arctic during the 30s. They only had a .38 Colt DA gun but still killed 2 bears at 50 feet with shots through the lungs. The bears were circling and seemed threatening. Both bears were eaten on the spot.
In a handgun I'd actually rather have a gun I could control quickly, like a 1911 in .45 acp or .38 Super, than one of the magnum rounds. No handgun has rifle power and so one benefits from multiple shots and adequate penetration. Any good solid in 9mm and above will go through a lot of meat. Bone is a problem in the big bears but with 8 or 10 shots, you'll miss most bones.
A hiker in Alaska recently made the news for killing a Grizz with a .45 acp. It can be done. It's all about staying calm in the center and hitting a good spot.
That said, make mine a big centerfire rifle of African caliber. I miss a lot and want to make the most of my accidental hits. (it's tough to shoot when you're crying for your momma)
Old Town
PaJohn
New Member
What's wrong with feeling safe? Carrying a gun is the same as using your seatbelt or having a fire extingusher. You don't expect to ever use them but they are nice to have if you need them.
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Old Town
moved on...
I agree, PaJohn. I do not carry a gun on land, but always have something when out on the water. I keep a stainless S&W 1911 in .45acp in my flats boat and that same .45 along with my father's old M1 Garand on my larger sailboat.
I'm 52 and grew up during the drug wars down here in the Keys. Many, many boats and their crews went missing in the 70s and 80s. I've heard and read all kinds of stories of people being murdered and dumped at sea just for their boats. Drug runners kill the crew and use the boat for one run. That kind of thing rarely happens today but it still happens often enough you have to be aware and take precautions. Most experienced boaters I know carry rifles or shotguns of some kind.
Old Town
Crooklynways
Banned
time too move people..lol..J/k.. i live in NY and me not being so lucky I never had trouble like most(Knocking on wood) who posted to this thread..its scary and dangerous to live in these time's.. To carry a gun too me would be extreme i think it would get me more in trouble then just kicking some old fashion @ss .. Biggest fear for me would be coyotes, peoples unleashed dogs, or Rabbi Animals for them i carry my Garrett retriever it's strong, sharp and will hurt..loljust a thought : http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/10/carry_a_gun_you_get_shot_more.php
Houndless
Junior Member
Sorry but I have to jump in here. I'm going to guess that you've never heard of crack heads that can take multiple shots and keep on coming!
Now granted a .22 probably has more potential to kill you due to how light weight the lead is and the fact that it can bounce off bone. However, if I can carry more power I will.
Also depending on what type of round you carry is going to greatly very the end result.
Granted a 380 or 32 doesn't have the stopping power of a 9mm, 40 or 45 but it does have a pretty good "get the he** off me effect"
I don't know about you but having to dress for work and play I'm not able to conceal a 1911 .45 cal. Not to mention how blasted heavy the thing is.
Houndless
Junior Member
AMEN to that!!! I'd rather have a chance at NOT becoming a statistic. Sad to say but at our local Wally World parking lot at least 2 people have been held up at gun point and robbed.
I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6!!
Old Town
moved on...
Cooper and Browning
Ask Bobby Kennedy if a .22 out of a snubby revolver is not gun enough. No handgun has real stopping power. Only rifles of high velocity disrupt enough flesh to honestly "stop" a person reliably. Placement is everything. Most handgunners if they do not practice much would be better off with a .22 Colt Woodsman and aim for the face than shoot a heavily recoiling gun they cannot control.
I would not feel sorry for myself if all I had was a large .22 target pistol. But since I shoot handguns a good deal and have a choice, I much prefer the 1911 platform in .45acp. Jeff Cooper knew what he was taking about.
Old Town
Ask Bobby Kennedy if a .22 out of a snubby revolver is not gun enough. No handgun has real stopping power. Only rifles of high velocity disrupt enough flesh to honestly "stop" a person reliably. Placement is everything. Most handgunners if they do not practice much would be better off with a .22 Colt Woodsman and aim for the face than shoot a heavily recoiling gun they cannot control.
I would not feel sorry for myself if all I had was a large .22 target pistol. But since I shoot handguns a good deal and have a choice, I much prefer the 1911 platform in .45acp. Jeff Cooper knew what he was taking about.
Old Town
yeah I just carry my lesche...matter a fact I've come outta the woods next to a city park and guess who happened to be driving by???? The po-po....and of course they stop and look to make sure its not some Rambo survival knife...I think it's hilarious. Once they see what I have in my other hand they figure out what it's for...
I carry a Keltec PF9 while detecting. Actually I don't wear headphones due to the fact you lose one of your senses. Last night at a totlot a gaggle of 10 gangbangers started walking towards me. some were mouthing a few choice words as they walked towards me. I decided it was best to walk back to the truck and come back another time BUT it did feel reassuring that I did have something in case the SHTF.
Houndless
Junior Member
This is my point exactly. While it doesn't make me feel like Superwoman it at least gives me piece of mind that if the s**t does hit the fan I have a fighting chance. I don't look for a gun fight but I'd still like to be prepared.
