"Do I ask to many "prove-it questions"

[Pulltabby]

I simply can't believe with all the smart folks on this forum that NOBODY has seen the solution, even though it is right in front of us.

Martin, stop MDing with other people. Your detector is fine, but your ego is preventing you from enjoying this hobby in a social manner. Do it on your own before you end up hunting with a 6th grader swinging a Radio Shack detector, and he too shows you up.

Joe

 

[Stevo]

If you can't find the answers you seem to want here, try these nice folks.

http://www.whiteselectronics.com/support/service

If they can't help, then as MY Momma says "Its a poor musician that blames his instrument." Good luck! BTW, my $1500 detector finds ALL the clad and silvers at 3-4". I hope you figure it out and get your instrument playing the way that works for you, leaving nothing in its wake.

 

[Crumble]

As a V3i owner, I have to wonder how you have your machine set up... would be nice to see a detailed list of your main settings... cause something ain't right...

You should be hitting coins in the 12 inch range.

Also, unless you walk super slow and overlap by 50%, you are missing a lot of ground at depth... so anybody walking behind you could get the luck of the swing draw and find the goodies.

 

[jmorton04]

Here is your solution:

Purchase an F2 package or a Compadre with the 5" coil. Go find a place that ought to have good and bad targets, and grid the site without digging. First use the new machine and then the mighty "V". Use different colored markers to indicate which detector found what target.
Once the site is scrubbed, dig all the targets. Put the finds in 3 piles, "V", "X", and "Both".

If the results are inconclusive, send both machines back to their factory authorized repair stations and have them checked and tuned.

Repeat this test with the machines after they return.

Now you should have the answer, and it will be based on your own research, not on the opinion of a bunch of cranky people who do not appreciate your contributions to this forum. I always read your posts with great interest, since they nearly always make me think of ways to improve my own efforts.

Since you will now have a perfectly running V, please send me the F2/Compadre. PM me for the mailing address. I want to compare either of these machines to my Relco Frontiersman.

In the meantime, why don't you do a reset and then turn down the superpowers of the "V", and see if you maybe having a "kryptonite/feedback" issue?


HH,
John Morton

 

[dirtykneese]

I have a cousin with a V3i.. Now I have been at this hobby for more than 30 years.. OK.. I will walk behind my cousin. I stop to dig targets. He always says some thing to me about his detector wont find them coins or jewelry. I use a Tesoro. I had them $1500.00 detectors. I was never happy. I love going by sound. About 90% of the time I will tell my cousin what is in the ground and about how deep it is.. I don't have a meter either. Give your self some time with your detector. You have a good one.. Soon it will talk to you and you will kick every ones butt. Good luck and hang in there ... KEN

 

[DIGGER27]

I have a question.
I didn't see you talk about this in this thread or if you did I missed it.

Just HOW are you missing these targets?
Are you not getting any signal at all, are you getting one but it is not solid or too bouncy and confusing or your information on the screen said it was trash?

I use have used several detectors from bottom end to top mid level, a Pioneer EX, Compadre, F2, Vaquero, Compass Judge 2 and now an F70 and rarely if ever missed quarter targets at that depth...at least as far as I know I haven't.

I do try to get as good as I can at understanding each one and even though most targets like this have been solid and unmistakeable in the past there have been a few that were not and were totally disguised or skewed due to masking or other reasons.
I still found them because I knew my detector so well and even though those signals did not come in as any sort of a definite "dig me" kind I still saw something on the screen or heard something in the tone that clicked on something in my brain that triggered my digging instinct and in those cases I was successful.
Two that I remember well was a quarter directly under a high tone pop top and another that was surrounded by 3 very close beaver tail tabs.
Both happened while I was using the F2.

Sometimes people click with a certain detector and sometimes they don't and that might be part of the problem.

I have friends and hunting partners that use that same V3i and they don't seem to have this problem and I have found targets with one of mine and they checked that same target with theirs and found them too and I never heard anything from any of them about missing lots of easy targets.


You are sure that your detector is fine and I believe that so I guess there are just a few answers to your question that make logical sense.

You didn't get your coil over these missed targets.
You did swing over them but for some reason did not recognize them as good targets to dig.

If that detector is in good working order and you did pass your coil over them it has to be your settings are incorrect or your skill set is lacking when you use this one...results could be totally different if you pick up and click with another.
I know you might not want to hear or believe this, but that is the only thing that makes sense...to me.

Beg, borrow or steal another detector and go a few rounds with it.
Maybe use them both and check them against each other.

It is evident you just don't have a lot of confidence in yours as things stand and you are not happy.
Hobbies are all about happiness and having a good time so maybe a change of tools is in order to achieve that goal.

 

[ohiochris]

Truth be told we all miss " some" good shallow targets that are later found by someone else approaching from a slightly different angle or at a different speed. Depending on how often you hunt the amount of missed targets like shallow coins can really add up. Making sure you overlap your swings well and slow down a little can help reduce the amount of targets missed but you will still miss some. Go back over areas your friend just hunted but from a different angle and i bet you start pulling out shallow coins that they missed. Why you miss some is the same reason we all miss them.

 

[seanprodanas]

I have put this question off for way too long..."Do I ask to many "prove-it questions" concerning why my $1500 machine misses 3-4" quarters, while others with cheap machines run right behind me and ask me how I missed this quarter?

I seem to get my closer veteran friends sometimes frustrated and quickly quieted by these repeated why questions. These are all great guys yet they seem to just feel that you dig some bad targets, you dig some good targets, you miss good targets, so just go to the next target. Really pisses me off to no end to always be beat out 2-to-1 on simple clad. Some immediate advice has been here on-line, "Sell that flagship and buy brand-x."

Do your close(r) detecting friends really care much about why your machine is always struggling on basic, simple targets, while theirs work, over the same exact signal? Do I simply have too much Missouri blood in me and need "Show-me proof?"

OK I am a retired research and design engineer and we had to ALWAYS KNOW why sh!t failed. Does this mentality fly here in this hobby at all in metal detecting, or are in the hobby most just a "pass-fail" group, and then sell off and buy brandX that others have good success with?

My dear ol' Momma, being from Missouri, would have to know why in everything.

martin

First of "cheap machines" is a poor choice of words. I run a whites M6 which was far from cheap. 1/2 the cost of yours but not "cheap"... That being said... Maybe it's the indian not the arrow?!?!?!!?

This whole my machine is better than yours !!!! is stupid.. knowing what you're listening for is the key.. I have friends that hunt with beginer machines that will out hunt most high priced machines. Its all about location, and how to run the machine correctly.

and if your not saying your machine is the best than I read the wrong way, but thats how it sounded

 

[Martin_V3i]

First of "cheap machines" is a poor choice of words. I run a whites M6 which was far from cheap. 1/2 the cost of yours but not "cheap"... That being said... Maybe it's the indian not the arrow?!?!?!!?

This whole my machine is better than yours !!!! is stupid.. knowing what you're listening for is the key.. I have friends that hunt with beginer machines that will out hunt most high priced machines. Its all about location, and how to run the machine correctly.

and if your not saying your machine is the best than I read the wrong way, but thats how it sounded

You "read it wrong." I meant to find out why say, Minelabs or any detector model with varying frequency systems differing from my Whites machine using 3distinct frequencies, sort through the ground matrix and associated peripheral targets near-by, and yank up a simple 4" clad quarter.

My formal charge isn't my touting "mine is better that yours", it is "asking stupid questions", or questions most folks don't care to disect and digest.

Each "family" of different detector's designs likely just want to say, "Buy XYZ." I was just asking why, technologically speaking. Missing 4" quarters along the short end of a basketball court to only watch someone trot directly across that spot minutes later, in the same line of travel...very minimal differences from mine, EXCEPT for a machine design difference, and the individual swinging...grabs that shallow quarter at 4 inches.

The last thing I am doing here is to make what I am hunting with as best. More the opposite.

 

[seanprodanas]

Gotcha, you may be moving to quick or just nicking the target, may be a settings issue

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[itsaring!]

Could be a coil or detector issue? My V3i will hit quarters with no problem. My DFX will whip an AT pro's butt cherry picking quarters Maybe your soil? Dunno? I make it out that way to see my sister i'll bring my V3i
Edit. And a truckload of V3i coils. We'll get it figured out before I leave

 

[Martin_V3i]

Gotcha, you may be moving to quick or just nicking the target, may be a settings issue

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Very likely. I really need to leave the V at home for a while and just hunt with the M6(I own one as a backup) for a while. A compounding issue today though is that I have only so many "digs" in me in a given hunt due to a recent health issue, and the V3i is great for basically telling me that the target is not worth it. I am just not happy not understanding why a simple clad quarter this shallow is labeled as bad.

Thanks EVERYBODY! for your replies. I am going to close this thread if I can and move on. Your patience has been appreciated. You guys and gals are a fun bunch! martin

 

[Surfchunker]

your last reply I believe is the first time I heard you say You did get a hit there but your machine was saying it was something else besides a quarter. So to me that says it's either your machine or your settings. leaning more towards either a software glitch or settings

 

[itsaring!]

your last reply I believe is the first time I heard you say You did get a hit there but your machine was saying it was something else besides a quarter. So to me that says it's either your machine or your settings. leaning more towards either a software glitch or settings

I own 2 DFX's. It's how I figured out one had a problem real quick. Still sounding like a machine problem to me. But what do I know? I'd always recommend having one checked when in doubt. Some people get nervous sending a machine in. But you may be using one with issues. All you got to do is leave one in a car and let humid air or heat get to it.
Just trying to help Martin.

 

[rizar33]

It's quite simple....you never got your coil over the stupid quarter. How hard is that to understand? Even if you had your RX gain at 15 you can't be a foot away from the quarter and get a hit. As for your question....yes you ask too many questions that you refuse to accept any answer to except the one you want.

Sorry to be so blunt, but WOW!!! Folks actually took the time to respond with possible reasons/solutions to your question and you just shot them down.

 

[SeabeeRon]

Very likely. I really need to leave the V at home for a while and just hunt with the M6(I own one as a backup) for a while. A compounding issue today though is that I have only so many "digs" in me in a given hunt due to a recent health issue, and the V3i is great for basically telling me that the target is not worth it. I am just not happy not understanding why a simple clad quarter this shallow is labeled as bad.

Thanks EVERYBODY! for your replies. I am going to close this thread if I can and move on. Your patience has been appreciated. You guys and gals are a fun bunch! martin

Closed at your request.