"Do I ask to many "prove-it questions"

[pescadore]

The solution to your concerns is simple to me. Put the dang V3i in the closet for a month or two and strictly use the M6 for every hunt. If you are more sucessful with the M6 then you will know that even though you have been using the V3i for years it's not for you. I think you have lost confidence in your machine and that's a bad thing, especially when you are worried about things that happened so long ago with the 4" quarter. I really think that you are probably just overanalyzing things and that your machine is fine but there is only one way to know. Put that sucker in the closet and don't get it out. If you are still getting beat 3 to 1 then you know it's you not the machine. I totally don't agree with the wrong machine for the job post. Your V3i should shine in a clad hunt as well as in a deep silver quest. You dont have to have a $100 machine to find clad and then pull out your V3i when you think there may be silver around. Nothing wrong with going to a park or school and using the V3i to pick up some gas or battery money. Fact is you have been struggling with a detector that anyone else that has had your experiences with would have sold it long ago. Take my advice and see what happens.

Pesc

 

[scorpio264]

Some machines have a glitch. Plenty of people get machines right from the factory that are not perfect. I would find a MD store and do a test. You seem to be paying enough attention to indicate that there must be a problem. You may have a legitimate issue that cannot be explained.
You may have a winding issue in the coil. You may have a voltage spike that only occurs on the type of signal a quarter gives. You might even have a demon living in your detector. Who am I to say?

If you can't take it apart and find a flaw then just confirm that it differs from the norm. Then you can chalk it up to an unknowable issue with an otherwise functional machine. Not a solution but a remedy.

 

[Martin_V3i]

U still miss what I asked.

 

[Robo99]

All questions can be answered. It just seems to me that there are either no tech/eng minded detectors in this hobby on these MD boards for answers about why, wants to ventre into showing 'their balls' with techy type questions. You are a mechanical tech, I was into much deeper stuff. Roy, I am not a general plug-and-play player as you seem to be. I need to know the reasons, and most times...the manufacturer(mine is Whites)...brainwashes.

It just frustrates me to no end why so dam many responders on detecting sites goes submissive and/or dumb with simple questions, so they just get superficial. You are like that sometimes.

Sorry I couldn't help you Martin. Best of luck on finding your answer.

 

[tonym]

All questions can be answered. It just seems to me that there are either no tech/eng minded detectors in this hobby on these MD boards for answers about why, wants to ventre into showing 'their balls' with techy type questions. You are a mechanical tech, I was into much deeper stuff. Roy, I am not a general plug-and-play player as you seem to be. I need to know the reasons, and most times...the manufacturer(mine is Whites)...brainwashes.

It just frustrates me to no end why so dam many responders on detecting sites goes submissive and/or dumb with simple questions, so they just get superficial. You are like that sometimes.

I am starting to see why your friends tell you to "sell the damn thing". Sorry I even responded to this thread. My apologies for wasting everyones time with seemingly logical suggestions. Martin is convinced it is the machine and nothing is going to persuade him to think otherwise.

Good luck Robo99 I'd have my headphones on ALL the time if you get my drift

Now it is time to sit back and

Isn't winter time fun on the forum

 

[GroundSweeper]

Simple. The beans are the problem. Less beans means less shockwaves interfering with your audio.

Seriously... Some good thoughts have been provided here but none seem even remotely acceptable to you.

I think THAT illustrates the issue better than anything else.

Oh, make sure you check for black vans and helicopters outside your place soon

 

[Jason in Enid]

All questions can be answered. It just seems to me that there are either no tech/eng minded detectors in this hobby on these MD boards for answers about why, wants to ventre into showing 'their balls' with techy type questions. You are a mechanical tech, I was into much deeper stuff. Roy, I am not a general plug-and-play player as you seem to be. I need to know the reasons, and most times...the manufacturer(mine is Whites)...brainwashes.

It just frustrates me to no end why so dam many responders on detecting sites goes submissive and/or dumb with simple questions, so they just get superficial. You are like that sometimes.

I think you are using selective reading in the responses here. You seem to be attacking those trying to help just because you don't like the answer.

 

[DoctorTecter]

Here is a good example of what happened at productive park.

I used Tony's explorer SE and my Ace 250 about the same amount of time at this park,
Signal were very weird. Silver bounced to iron on the 250 but I adapted to this. On the explorer silver rang low like clad. We all scanned each others targets and rarely did anyone guess the find right. So I dug based on depth. I was the silver champ at this park...

What I am saying is no matter what you think you know or what you think your detected should do, most times you have to adapt to where you are hunting. Are you swinging fast?
Are your settings set to what you think would find you stuff ?

Try to go stock mode, slow down and scan each others hits . If you are afraid its bothersome bury some clad there and scan it. Could be the soil is making your detected miss on targets, if my our swinging fast you could be not allowing your machine to process everything.

In that park everything I learned about detecting went out the window. If I had done what I do 90% of the time In wouldn't have scored one silver dime.

 

[DoctorTecter]

This predictive typing on this tablet stinks! Sorry for the typos

 

[Milhaus]

I've gone over specific spots with a Tesoro just thoroughly hunted with my E-Trac and pulled Wheats, nickels, and other clad.
This is why I tell people not to worry about having a high end machine unless they need it for a specific reason, like E-Trac's ability to pull silver out of iron infested sites. Truth be told I still dig a !!!! ton of iron trying to do this, and often wonder if I wouldn't be just as well off with a Vaq and good strategy.

 

[The Rebel]

Have you had the coil checked? Have you done any of this:

V3 Loops, and Recommended Gains

In the Sensitivity screen V3 reports a recommended gain setting for the preamp. Someone recently asked if holding the loop in the air should result in a recommended gain of 15. My initial answer was 'yes', but after discussing this with the engineering team it is not so simple.

V3 looks at the "residual" receive signal to come up with the recommended preamp gain. Residual signal can either be loop null, ground signal, or both. Sometimes the addition of ground can cancel loop null for a lower overall residual signal. Sometimes it adds for an overall worse residual signal. EMI can also affect the residual signal.

V3 wants to keep the total residual signal level below 10% so it recommends a preamp gain to do that. However, 10% is a rather arbitrary level. We could have made it 20%, or 30%. I almost always run my V3 at several notches above the recommended preamp gain, because there is no real harm in doing so as long as there is sufficient headroom left to detect. What is sufficient? Realistically, you could probably go as high as 50%, but I would back off to no more than 30-40%.

Quite often EMI will be the limiting factor. When testing in my noisy office, I can get a recommended gain of 11 but can only run at about 3 to keep it stable. So in cases where EMI is the limiting factor, run the preamp gain as high as you can. Keep in mind that EMI-induced falsing can also be reduced by lowering the DISC sensitivity, and often this is a better way to reduce EMI falsing than lowering the preamp gain. Also, when EMI limits the max gain TX boost becomes an effective way to get some extra depth.

So there is still the question of what a good loop should look like. Ideally, a perfect loop will give a recommended gain of 15 in the air, but that is not a necessary condition to call a loop "good". The D2 loops are coming out of the factory with extremely good nulls, but over time they can shift slightly, resulting in a null that may give a recommended gain of less than 15. The Eclipse 5.3 are being manufactured to exactly the same specifications of the D2, but on a V3 they pretty consistently give a recommended gain of 10 or so.

As I've explained, this is based on a target residual of 10% and there is no real need to run this low. You can easily run a loop that has a recommended gain of 8 all the way to 15 with no problem. Replacing such a loop with a more perfect loop would not offer any performance difference. As long as the loop does not overload at a gain of 15, it should perform just fine. Therefore, White's will consider any loop that does not overload at a gain of 15 (with TX Boost off) in an air test to be a good loop.

- Carl@White's

 

[popatop]

It could be you overlap. Here is a great read that i borrowed from DIGGER27.

Digger also posted a wonderful and very detailed piece on overlap not to long ago and if i remember correctly he reposted it from another source. I will try and find it or better yet hopefully he will read this and repost the artical.

http://metaldetectingforum.com/showthread.php?t=155196&highlight=importance+coil+overlap

Finally you have to go back to these sites, go very slow to acquire every target you can, overlap heavily to find every target humanly possible and then do it all again from different angles.
Many times I will hit these court sites the first time running around the perimeters digging every solid signal I come across but when I return and change directions 90 degrees going straight out away from the court instead I have found a bunch more coins and targets I missed even though I tried to be as thorough as possible that first time through.
Again, I have been shocked at how much more you can find by simply changing your angle of attack at most sites.
That pic you see below I just put together of some of the best targets I have found around basketball courts has a good example of this.
That large Eisenhower dollar you see was near a court and I scanned that area with a larger 10" coil on the F2 and sniper coil another time and missed it both times which might be due to the fact that it was standing straight up on edge in the soil.
When I returned a third time and went over the same area from a different angle then the first two, this thing rang out loud and clear and I was amazed that I missed it and that others did too.
North, south, east, west and at least two different directions diagonally is the correct way to eventually do sites like this, or any site for that matter.
Sure it's work, and so is digging all that trash, but even though I don't think it is humanly possible to hit every square inch of any site and there are absolutely no sites on this planet that can be truly be called "hunted out", you sure can give it the old college try and try to do it to the best of your ability as possible.

 

[coin whisperer]

Get a minelab:sly:

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[Captain Silver]

Some take to detecting like a fish to water...and can find what they're seeking pretty much anytime, anywhere with any machine...Others, no matter how much money or how many different detectors they burn through...just...will never be very good at detecting. You need skills more than you need $ to be successful...

 

[Surfchunker]

yes you do ask to many "prove it's"

 

[tonym]

yes you do ask to many "prove it's"

You may have actually answered the original question Surf Congrats

OOPS, I meant

 

[S.S.Tupperware]

10-4!!!

 

[Chris R]

How many people have hunted the Y Martin? Good targets are still being found on a regular basis are they not. Nobody can maintain optimum technique and concentration for long periods of time.

That place has been hunted to death and Steven pulled a seated within 20 feet of where we park. I watched robo pull a falf dollar from the other side of where we park. This is a crazy hobby that sometimes seems like pure luck, like you swung over that target in just the right way with the right settings and ground conditions.

Just try and have fun man.

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[JoeR]

I simply can't believe with all the smart folks on this forum that NOBODY has seen the solution, even though it is right in front of us.

Martin, stop MDing with other people. Your detector is fine, but your ego is preventing you from enjoying this hobby in a social manner. Do it on your own before you end up hunting with a 6th grader swinging a Radio Shack detector, and he too shows you up.

Joe

 

[LordOfTheZincs]

Surf took my answer! LOL...............Martin, do you drink a lot of coffee maybe?