Big Boys Hobbies has the The Nokta Accupoint

[markinmichigan]

Ordered one this morning, get it while you can.

Mark in Michigan

 

[cellrdwellr]

Let us know how it works for you please, Nokta makes good products! If it can hang with the higher end pinpointers I'd probably scoop one up myself.

 

[bowwinkles]

Please let us know if it is sensing up the shaft or tip only like the great TRX.

 

[Xxray]

Guess time will tell if a little color screen on a waterproof pinpointer is a good idea

 

[randy]

Tried to order one this morning, and they are sold out. I always order from Bart, but not his fault they are gone. Ordered from another dealer; we'll see how it goes.

What I don't care about: The video screen. Seems completely unnecessary.

What I am concerned about: The range. Not good range on the videos I've seen, and the the influencer presenting it is incentivized to get commissions, not give an honest review, so they almost literally dance around the issue of the weak range that you can see in the videos. Since I am saying something negative about these videos, I will not post links, as that is not what I do, but you can look it up and judge for yourself if you want to.

What I am optimistic about: The ferrous discrimination. If this works as described, this is a big deal for silver coin shooters in terms of efficiency. If we can go for more of these deep maybe ferrous maybe silver signals, and bail on the pinpoint (sort of like how the old Sunray probe was used), this is a huge win, and worth it, IMHO.

What I also think: The Garrett Carrot is a lemon, IMHO. Pretty much anything would be better. But, best house in a bad neighborhood. Mine sometimes has zero range. Test it on my digger then have to power cycle it to get it to work. Sent it back to Garrett and they supposedly "fixed it", but still works that way, just less often and more erratically. Every time I power cycle it, I get a different result. It works, more or less, but it is inefficient that I have to keep doing this. No target -> power cycle -> target. Not efficient, but it does work.

I think Garrett blew it here. They could have come out with something like this, without the unnecessary cruft. They just didn't. As much as I'd love a tip pinpointer, and I could not determine from the videos if this unit is or is not, if it works better than the Carrot and the ferrous discrimination works, I'll be happy.

But, in all honesty, I'm dubious of the discrimination. We'll see.

 

[Diga]

Randy,

I've seen 2 videos and read a few unbiased and trusted reviews. It seems the Accupoint has about the same depth as any other name brand pinpointer. I'm fairly certain, Nokta wouldn't introduce a pinpointer that has poor depth . In addition, there's only so much that can be done for depth on a VLF pinpointer. PI pinpointers are another story though. Those things are depth monsters! lol

Are you referring to one of the videos in which the nomad quickly and haphazardly tested it on the ring that was on his finger? If so, that ring was on edge, and everyone seems to tests pinpointers with the object facing flat. Rings and coins that aren't on edge, will be detected about 2x to 3x deeper.

Of all the reports I've read from the initial run, almost no one complained about depth. I say "almost", because I did come across one person who claimed poor depth and massive falsing, but given the evidence, it seems that they may have a defective unit. For an initial run of a new product, I wouldn't be surprised if a handful had a glitch.

As far as the screen goes? From what I've read, the consensus is that it makes it much easier to change the settings, and to be able to see the settings, such as the sensitivity level and battery level.

 

[markinmichigan]

Tried to order one this morning, and they are sold out. I always order from Bart, but not his fault they are gone. Ordered from another dealer; we'll see how it goes.

What I don't care about: The video screen. Seems completely unnecessary.

What I am concerned about: The range. Not good range on the videos I've seen, and the the influencer presenting it is incentivized to get commissions, not give an honest review, so they almost literally dance around the issue of the weak range that you can see in the videos. Since I am saying something negative about these videos, I will not post links, as that is not what I do, but you can look it up and judge for yourself if you want to.

What I am optimistic about: The ferrous discrimination. If this works as described, this is a big deal for silver coin shooters in terms of efficiency. If we can go for more of these deep maybe ferrous maybe silver signals, and bail on the pinpoint (sort of like how the old Sunray probe was used), this is a huge win, and worth it, IMHO.

What I also think: The Garrett Carrot is a lemon, IMHO. Pretty much anything would be better. But, best house in a bad neighborhood. Mine sometimes has zero range. Test it on my digger then have to power cycle it to get it to work. Sent it back to Garrett and they supposedly "fixed it", but still works that way, just less often and more erratically. Every time I power cycle it, I get a different result. It works, more or less, but it is inefficient that I have to keep doing this. No target -> power cycle -> target. Not efficient, but it does work.

I think Garrett blew it here. They could have come out with something like this, without the unnecessary cruft. They just didn't. As much as I'd love a tip pinpointer, and I could not determine from the videos if this unit is or is not, if it works better than the Carrot and the ferrous discrimination works, I'll be happy.

But, in all honesty, I'm dubious of the discrimination. We'll see.

I have a carrot and have had ZERO issues with it. The only issue is the sensing body, I turn down the sensitivity in order to fine find my target.

Mark in Michigan

 

[hoser]

If I was to get another PP, one of ya'll better have a spare bedroom for me. Looking forward to hear how it performs for you bud. Good going.

 

[thefabulousnip]

I have an Accupoint, Carrot and a White's TRX. The ferrous detection on the Accupoint does work really well. I have used it on those deep could be ferrous/could be silver signals, and the ferrous detection does help in that scenario as Randy suggested.

My current set up when I go detecting includes the Accupoint and the TRX. I love that I can hear the Accupoint in my headphones and the ferrous detection. That said, sometimes when I'm working in a deep hole, and the target is in the sidewall, it frustrates the hell out of me. I've quickly learned that when I can't find the target in about 5 seconds, just grab the TRX, and I pretty immediately find it thanks to the tip only detection.

 

[markinmichigan]

The only reason I purchased the Accupoint (please don't disappoint me) is the parring to the headphones. Don't care about a screen, just want it to be as durable as the carrot. I'll let everyone know once I get a few hours on it.

Mark in Michigan

 

[Diga]

That said, sometimes when I'm working in a deep hole, and the target is in the sidewall, it frustrates the hell out of me. I've quickly learned that when I can't find the target in about 5 seconds, just grab the TRX, and I pretty immediately find it thanks to the tip only detection.

I could see that happening if my holes were only 2" in diameter

My holes, like I think just about everyone elses, are a few inches across. If the target is in the sidewall, I just slightly angle the tip of pinpointer toward the beeps on the sidewall, so that the pinpointer effectively becomes a tip only pinpointer.

I'm thinking it would be harder for me to find my target with a tip only pinpointer, mainly because the detection area is small.


Are tip only pinpointers even made anymore?

 

[Xxray]

What I also think: The Garrett Carrot is a lemon, IMHO. Pretty much anything would be better. But, best house in a bad neighborhood. Mine sometimes has zero range. Test it on my digger then have to power cycle it to get it to work. Sent it back to Garrett and they supposedly "fixed it", but still works that way, just less often and more erratically. Every time I power cycle it, I get a different result. It works, more or less, but it is inefficient that I have to keep doing this. No target -> power cycle -> target. Not efficient, but it does work.

I think Garrett blew it here. They could have come out with something like this, without the unnecessary cruft. They just didn't. As much as I'd love a tip pinpointer, and I could not determine from the videos if this unit is or is not, if it works better than the Carrot and the ferrous discrimination works, I'll be happy.

But, in all honesty, I'm dubious of the discrimination. We'll see.

Sorry to hear of your problems but, YOUR carrot may be a lemon, mine isn't, it is the most popular pinpointer for a reason. Don't even see why Garrett would attempt a repair instead of just sending a new one, it is a simple pretty device with a little circuit board, wires, speaker and a button.

I personally would not want a discriminating pinpointer, I can see me searching and searching a hole wondering why I can't get a signal and its a rusty nail or something. Might be great for that 1 in 1,000 scenario where you have a silver quarter next to a rusty can lid, but I can foresee that doing more harm than good, especially for novices.

 

[Diga]

I was surprised at how many people wanted an iron discriminating pinpointer. Anyway, it's not like it has to be used. There is an option to turn it on and off.

 

[markinmichigan]

I could see that happening if my holes were only 2" in diameter

My holes, like I think just about everyone elses, are a few inches across. If the target is in the sidewall, I just slightly angle the tip of pinpointer toward the beeps on the sidewall, so that the pinpointer effectively becomes a tip only pinpointer.

I'm thinking it would be harder for me to find my target with a tip only pinpointer, mainly because the detection area is small.


Are tip only pinpointers even made anymore?

My carrot has served me well, if I could just get over some amazing targets like you guys!!!

Mark in Michigan

 

[bowwinkles]

I could see that happening if my holes were only 2" in diameter

My holes, like I think just about everyone elses, are a few inches across. If the target is in the sidewall, I just slightly angle the tip of pinpointer toward the beeps on the sidewall, so that the pinpointer effectively becomes a tip only pinpointer.

I'm thinking it would be harder for me to find my target with a tip only pinpointer, mainly because the detection area is small.


Are tip only pinpointers even made anymore?

If u have a very small hole and are using a tip only pin pointer then just start at the top of the hole and with a circular motion just go deeper into the hole until u hear the beep. Those up the shaft are area pointers and not pin pointers.

 

[Diga]

If u have a very small hole and are using a tip only pin pointer then just start at the top of the hole and with a circular motion just go deeper into the hole until u hear the beep. Those up the shaft are area pointers and not pin pointers.

My point is, since the detection area is larger on the shaft pointers, I can find and hone in on the target (either in the hole or in the plug), quicker than I could with a tip pointer that has a smaller detection area. A shaft pinpointer can be used as a tip pointer, just by angling the pointer toward the dirt.

 

[Xxray]

If u have a very small hole and are using a tip only pin pointer then just start at the top of the hole and with a circular motion just go deeper into the hole until u hear the beep. Those up the shaft are area pointers and not pin pointers.

Seems to be some confusion here, if you want to just be alerted to the tip with a shaft pinpointer, then just use the tip - Its not like the shaft is going to start alerting 4 inches away from any metal. It can be an area pointer if you lay it on its side and roll it on the ground, which I occasionally do at the beach and tot lots where I found a coin spill and want to quickly retrieve targets. Other than that its tip only, hardly think about or use the side ,, Only inconvenience for me is I wear rings and those set if off if I'm not careful how I grip it.

 

[bowwinkles]

If you sense just on the tip the area of sensing becomes more definite (thus the word "pin-pointer) If you sense with the shaft and the tip then it becomes a much larger area thus the tool becomes an area pointer. To each his own, I prefer to pinpoint.

 

[Xxray]

If you sense just on the tip the area of sensing becomes more definite (thus the word "pin-pointer) If you sense with the shaft and the tip then it becomes a much larger area thus the tool becomes an area pointer. To each his own, I prefer to pinpoint.

You are trapped by flawed logic, as you say, to each their own.

 

[bowwinkles]

You are trapped by flawed logic, as you say, to each their own.

Chew got it right ya all. from the name u used to be a ray what r u now?