Another Police Thread.

[allank]

I respect people who have earned it. My brother was a policeman and always told me say as little as possible and don't let them fool you into saying something that can be deemed suspicious, they know all the tricks. I have given my name before but never my drivers lic. unless I was driving. once while I was driving home from selling a car I was pulled over for speeding, when I got my wallet out and he saw all the 100$ bills the first thing he mentioned was drug money and the fact my baseball bat was in the back with my cleats and glove was enough probable cause for him to pull me out of the car.They tore my car apart all the while asking me if I had just sold my drugs and had me stand there while they destroyed my car, tossing litter and smashing the 1/2 eaten McDonalds meal into the carpet. They lkept at it until the drug dog got there and they found nothing but tried like crazy to get me to say something incriminating. almost 1 hour sitting there and I got a warning for a tailight out that never needed fixed. never any mention of the supposed speeding, which I may have been.As for the OP , I think you did the right thing, I would have asked how her kids could have gotten so close to me if she was watching them. the mother was the criminal in this case, what would have happened if it was a child molester there and not you ?

 

[Cladiator]

Agree that the culprit in this case was the mother and the police officer was informed of the issue. He had zero rights to question this man whom was on private property and had not left said property. I have no ill will towards law enforcement, but I will not be treated like a criminal either.
The police officer got the facts and took action. He left the man alone and gave this female a little "civil understanding". I doubt that she got the message and that is the sad part.

 

[choppadude]

I believe the OP did the right thing. For those that say "what is the harm" well in this day in the age of technology the minute you hand over your ID it is called in to dispatch, they then check for wants and warrants, your name is then entered in the daily call log and information data base. All of this just because some irresponsible mother did not like him enjoying his right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
Now I do not know about you but I do not want my name or info on anyone's data base unless it is something I request.
I believe the OP acted 100% correctly and within his right.

 

[Gib]

So many people are just willing let go of their rights because "I've got nothing to hide."

 

[Armistead]

I respect people who have earned it. My brother was a policeman and always told me say as little as possible and don't let them fool you into saying something that can be deemed suspicious, they know all the tricks. I have given my name before but never my drivers lic. unless I was driving. once while I was driving home from selling a car I was pulled over for speeding, when I got my wallet out and he saw all the 100$ bills the first thing he mentioned was drug money and the fact my baseball bat was in the back with my cleats and glove was enough probable cause for him to pull me out of the car.They tore my car apart all the while asking me if I had just sold my drugs and had me stand there while they destroyed my car, tossing litter and smashing the 1/2 eaten McDonalds meal into the carpet. They lkept at it until the drug dog got there and they found nothing but tried like crazy to get me to say something incriminating. almost 1 hour sitting there and I got a warning for a tailight out that never needed fixed. never any mention of the supposed speeding, which I may have been.As for the OP , I think you did the right thing, I would have asked how her kids could have gotten so close to me if she was watching them. the mother was the criminal in this case, what would have happened if it was a child molester there and not you ?

Yea, I feel you. I owned a construction company and usually carried a couple thousand petty cash out of town. I was pulling a trailer out of state, it got a flat and due to mud couldn't use my jack. I actually called the police for help, but they said they would only come if I was a traffic hazard, I told them I was...I really was.

The cop got there, called a tow truck, he was able to change tire with better jack. I paid the guy and gave him a 100 dollar tip. The cop saw my cash, started asking about it. Being out of town several states, he asked lots of questions, which I answered. I knew he thought I was running drugs. He asked to search my vehicle. I'd been driving for 10 hours, tired and told him I knew what he thought, but I was tired and wanted to go.

I also had a 12 guage exposed in the back seat, perfectly legal, he aksed what for, I told him the truth...protection. Still, he said my cash and gun were supicious, so I let him look in the front, not finding anything, he called the dogs. I was taking prescribed Methadone at the time due to back operation and told him so and showed a legal prescription to him. The dog came, got a hit....knew it was my meds. So for an hour they searched my vehicle, pulled my suitcases out, went through all my stuff, still mildly raining....all got wet and muddy.

One cop said if I didn't show them my stash, my vehicle and trailer would be towed and searched. Can't show them what you don't have. I asked for a Super and he was there, the dog hit on my meds out of the truck as well. They finally let me go, trailer trashed, truck trashed, all my stuff wet, hours wasted. Funny, it was I who called them. Had I not opened my wallet and exposed my cash, I'm sure I would've been on my way. I wasn't aware a wallet filled with cash and legal firearm is reasonable suspicion, but cops sure see it that way.

So I now always reserve my right not to be ID'ed or searched following the law.

 

[SE-5]

I was NOT joking at all - I teach my kids to RESPECT police officers

if you guys do not respect the police who do you respect?

Never said anything about not respecting the Officer or Police in general. But as I said, I'll never waive a right. If he/she has legal cause that is one thing, but agian I'll ever waive a right. Want to search, get a judge to authorize it.

 

[FallGuy]

Agree that the culprit in this case was the mother and the police officer was informed of the issue. He had zero rights to question this man whom was on private property and had not left said property. I have no ill will towards law enforcement, but I will not be treated like a criminal either.
The police officer got the facts and took action. He left the man alone and gave this female a little "civil understanding". I doubt that she got the message and that is the sad part.

You couldn't be more wrong. The cop was called there for a suspicious man talking to children and you think the cop has no right to question him? Are you serious? And the fact that he's on private property means nothing. Stop trying to be a lawyer because you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[itsaring!]

So many people are just willing let go of their rights because "I've got nothing to hide."

And somes answer to a cop saying "the lady said you were acting awkward towards her children and i'm gonna need you to put your hands behind your back!" the answer is "Sure!"

 

[Cladiator]

Sorry I am not wrong. The woman had an agenda and the cop found out about it. She was an idiot and that was not likely to change. Sorry, but she was completely out of line and the cop gave her a little update it sounded like to me. Just because a woman yells rape because she sleeps with a guy and then he wants nothing to do with her does not make him a criminal. If the OP had called the police because these unattended children had ventured onto his property he would have been looked at as an ass. It would have been to his benefit thought as he would not have been considered a "pervert" by some peoples thinking because someone "accused" him of doing something wrong.

 

[Pokeplayer101]

if a police officer asks to see your id & you refuse, he/she should be allowed to nightstick/pepper spray/tazer you

when an officer of the law asks you to do something you do it...period

No way would that be allowed in the US. They can only taze you if you run away from them or something of that sort. But you have to show them your ID only if they tell you that you are being arrested or you are being detained.

I have watched a lot of funny videos of people and police arguing on showing ID.

 

[Milhaus]

If they really wanted to see the ID they would be seeing the ID. They knew the whole situation was just another crazy person calling the police for no reason just like they get every day.

Personally I am sick and tired of the BS. I would have gladly given them my ID. Then asked for a police report detailing the complaint and the identification of involved parties and at the absolute very least file a restraining order against her. Harassment and defamation come to mind.

She knew full well you weren't doing anything wrong, and she will keep doing that !!!! over and over again until it lands her in court.

 

[Brown]

Just because a woman yells rape because she sleeps with a guy and then he wants nothing to do with her does not make him a criminal.

But when that's reported, the officer has to investigate.
If you were the accused in the rape, would you try to refuse to give your information? Would you cooperate with the investigation?

- Not at all trying to compare having a good time/metal detecting with rape....for the record.

 

[Snickers1]

if a police officer asks to see your id & you refuse, he/she should be allowed to nightstick/pepper spray/tazer you

when an officer of the law asks you to do something you do it...period

There are places in this country where the police would do that for refusing to show ID, because too many police officers believe that they are above the law.

 

[Cladiator]

But when that's reported, the officer has to investigate.
If you were the accused in the rape, would you try to refuse to give your information? Would you cooperate with the investigation?

- Not at all trying to compare having a good time/metal detecting with rape....for the record.

If I did nothing wrong, I would kindly refuse to answer anything! It would be up to them to do what ever they felt they had to do. If they arrested me then it is time for an attorney. I will not volunteer anything that they can and would use against me. Why on Earth would anyone say anything to a cop if they were accusing you of something so egregious! I want an attorney is all I would say at that point. I am not saying anything period, even though I know full well I am innocent. Others can do as they feel is right for them.

 

[FallGuy]

Sorry I am not wrong. The woman had an agenda and the cop found out about it. She was an idiot and that was not likely to change. Sorry, but she was completely out of line and the cop gave her a little update it sounded like to me. Just because a woman yells rape because she sleeps with a guy and then he wants nothing to do with her does not make him a criminal. If the OP had called the police because these unattended children had ventured onto his property he would have been looked at as an ass. It would have been to his benefit thought as he would not have been considered a "pervert" by some peoples thinking because someone "accused" him of doing something wrong.

But if that woman cries rape the police are still obligated to investigate, no matter how crazy the claim may be. No different here. Sorry but you're still wrong. The cops had every right to question the OP regardless what they said to her when they were leaving.

 

[1981Eagle]

But when that's reported, the officer has to investigate.
If you were the accused in the rape, would you try to refuse to give your information? Would you cooperate with the investigation?

- Not at all trying to compare having a good time/metal detecting with rape....for the record.

Hell NO!!!! I would tell them, "I'm sorry, I don't make any statements without first speaking with an attorney, and having them present while being interviewed. Am I free to go now?"

 

[Armistead]

You couldn't be more wrong. The cop was called there for a suspicious man talking to children and you think the cop has no right to question him? Are you serious? And the fact that he's on private property means nothing. Stop trying to be a lawyer because you don't know what you are talking about.

How was I a suspicious man? I was 100 yards away on private property minding my own business when her unsupervised children trespassed on it.
The ladies first complaint to me was it was illegal to hunt on park property. I told her I wasn't, so my guess is she came up with something else to bother me.

In the end, it worked out legally like it should have. I refused ID as was my legal right and the lady got chewed out. Not once did the cop demand my ID or detain me, he asked, I refused, nor would he state any reason for wanting them, other than to ID me, which is fine, but also legal and fine for me to refuse.

Again, laws may vary state to state, but even if he detained me, I still don't have to give ID. If a cop is simply suspicious, he can legally only do an outer pat down, not go into my pockets or wallet. Obvious if he deems I'm doing a criminal act, they can have it.

These cops actually did a legal and proper job, no complaints against them, cept the five minute back and forth on wanting my ID. Fact is, my ID was in my truck along with my pistol. I have a concealed carry, but didn't want to spend another hour in debate with them should they then ask to search my truck as well...

 

[Cladiator]

But if that woman cries rape the police are still obligated to investigate, no matter how crazy the claim may be. No different here. Sorry but you're still wrong. The cops had every right to question the OP regardless what they said to her when they were leaving.

Which they did and they got the facts and they acted upon them. He was not harassed any further and she was questioned and her ID was taken, but that was her choice to show them.

Someone accusing another of something without proof, is as empty as a bucket with a hole in the bottom. Neither holds water!

 

[FallGuy]

Which they did and they got the facts and they acted upon them. He was not harassed any further and she was questioned and her ID was taken, but that was her choice to show them.

Your point? You said the cops had no right to question him. The law says your wrong. End of argument.

 

[Cladiator]

Your point? You said the cops had no right to question him. The law says your wrong. End of argument.

They didn't have any right as there was no proof of anything out of the ordinary, but he spoke to them. They could have detained him, but had no reason to do so either, so they left him alone. There was no crime committed!