an example of a guy who fought a ticket

I'm new to the detecting world. So no. I don't know anyone that has broke sprinkler heads. I also get why one would want to hunt a sports field, I just think regardless of what you leave, or don't leave behind for a mess, that a non MDer seeing you sink a leche tool into the baseball field or soccer field where there litte Johnny or Sally are playing a game the next day, does not give a good perception. As far as being "sought after", again, doesn't that give the perception or sterotype that most MDers. worry about.......being a circling buzzard? Each to his own, but going in and digging up an athletic field just because it doesn't have sign saying no digging is dick move.... No way around it. Town and cities pay tens of thousands of dollars for upkeep per year, and tax payers know it. It's all how you look in my eyes, doens't matter if you're damaging anything.

If this is truly your perception of yourself as a metal detectorist, you really should not be engaged in a hobby that you despise so much.

I would rather you called the cops every time you see me sink my Lesche into Johnny and Sally's manicured lawn than be a part of your self-loathing club.
 
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I'm new to the detecting world. So no. I don't know anyone that has broke sprinkler heads. I also get why one would want to hunt a sports field, I just think regardless of what you leave, or don't leave behind for a mess, that a non MDer seeing you sink a leche tool into the baseball field or soccer field where there litte Johnny or Sally are playing a game the next day, does not give a good perception. As far as being "sought after", again, doesn't that give the perception or sterotype that most MDers. worry about.......being a circling buzzard? Each to his own, but going in and digging up an athletic field just because it doesn't have sign saying no digging is dick move.... No way around it. Town and cities pay tens of thousands of dollars for upkeep per year, and tax payers know it. It's all how you look in my eyes, doens't matter if you're damaging anything.

uptown, thanx for answering those questions. To answer those points:

a) all that you're saying about digging for coins in a sports turf, can also be said of picnic turf. I mean, SURE there's "varying degrees". Some turf is ratty, while others isn't, etc.... But trust me: everything you're saying can apply at any turf. And heck, people have gotten objectors even at bare dirt, or beaches, etc.... Not saying "to heck with them", just saying that if the potential for "someone to not like it" is the determiner of whether or not we/you/I can detect, then there's going to come a point where you might as well give up. I even had a lady tell me my detector bothered her dog once! (I think she thought it emitted a sound or frequency that only dogs heard?)

b) Sure "perception" is key. I agree that not everyone will know that you won't leave a trace. Anyone can mis-interpret and lay a claim that you might be about to leave a mess. This is why you pick such venues (places where someone may get their panties in a wad) at correct low traffic times, so as to avoid those persons to begin with. Why swat a hornet's nest? I agree with you on "perception", which is why I don't wear neon orange and waltz over beach blankets at archie conventions.

c) "circling buzzards" ? :) Ok, if that's the perception you're worried about that someone might have (and it can happen at ANY type ground, not just sports turf) , then perhaps you've chosen the wrong hobby. I mean, gee, I'm real sorry if someone thinks that md'rs are "opportunistic vultures" preying on little kids who lost their lunch money, or preying the poor people who lost rings. And sure, maybe that's a correct characterization of us. eh? But if that bothers someone, then at a certain point you have to ask yourself: "why then did you get into metal detecting? Didn't it occur to you that you might have to dig ? (and that another person might not like that). And didn't it occur to you that you'd be capitalizing off other's fumble-fingers misfortunes? (which other people see as "vulturish")
 
I only worry about what time I metal detect when others are using the field already for activities that would be disrupted by me metal detecting. It's akin to not starting a game of frisbee in the middle of a soccer game.

It sounds like you're in support of this position. Correct?

So you're saying that you wouldn't need to ask anyone if you could metal detect at these locations, but that you would use common courtesy to guide your judgement, correct?

So if there's no rule, you would just go ahead and use common courtesy to guide your judgement without asking the man in charge?

Then if the 'No Digging' rule does not exist, you wouldn't ask?

Sorry, I intended to direct this question specifically to Harv.

All pretty much the same question, worded differently. Strange way to join an ongoing discussion... Perhaps it's just that Tom has asked very similar question(s), literally a couple dozen times since December. Just annoying that you are just as repetitious as Tom, like a broken record, or a child, in the back seat of a car, chanting 'Are we there yet', every mile or so, on a 4 hour trip...

What sort of other activities involve a high degree of secrecy, and avoiding observation? Almost always activities no one wants to be around. A guy robbing a 7-11, is going to share his plans, out side of his little gang, involved. Certainly he would rob the 7-11, when there is a cop standing there, helping himself to some free coffee, and of course, a doughnut (sorry L.E.O.). A burglar wouldn't want the neighbor seeing him break in, or want the people living there to interrupt them. The perception of us doing something wrong, is related to not being open about we do, avoiding being seen, talking to those most concern with what we are doing. If there is person in charge of overseeing a public site, like the park attendant, school official... I'd have no problem talking to them. If they aren't comfortable with me being there, wouldn't press the issue. Maybe try again some other time. But, least I introduced myself, explained what I intended to do, gave them a chance to give specific instructions on what they expect from me. You know, like make sure my holes get fill in nice, maybe stay out of certain areas. A chance to work out a compromise. He's the guy most people are going to, if they think I'm doing something wrong, or complain. Since I already talked to him, he can smooth it out, he already knows what I'm doing, already decided it was okay. Most people don't have nasty attitudes, or on power trips. Maybe office-bound, paper-pushers, all stressed out, but still not that common from my experiences. You show the proper respect to the person responsible for the site you want to hunt, you raise his perception of you, and your hobby. He might not know much about you, or the hobby, but you are respectful, responsible, for checking with him first. Most likely to give you a chance, unless he has some bad experiences, with some messy hunters in the past.
 
I'm getting into this late, but why would you take a chance digging on a sports field without permission? Wouldn't you want to know where sprinkler heads were, or possible lines? Better yet, in all the sneaking around, would you come forward and fess up if you cracked a sprinkler head you didn't see? We have two baseball/soccer fields in my town, along with a couple private school fields. I've asked and recieved permission on the playground at the elem. school, and the greens that are non sporting fields at the private school, but wouldn't even think of asking to dig on the sporting fields. I think digging on a baseball/soccer field makes us all look like a bunch of dopes regardless of permission or not............

I felt like a big dope last weekend when I found a nice gold ring at the corner of a ball field. Yup, I felt so stupid, I didn't know what to do with myself as I admired the beautiful ring I had just found that would otherwise still be in the ground for who knows how long.

If it's a private school, I'm with you 100% on obtaining permission b/c if you don't, you are trespassing. If it's a public school, you have every right to detect there if not posted that you cannot. If a team is on the field, I won't go near it and likewise if I'm detecting a field and a team shows up, I leave.

To say we look like dopes is pretty stupid. In fact I cannot tell you how many parents have come up to me to ask what I'm doing or to show their kids the cool stuff I've found. If a kid comes up to me while detecting and asks what I found, i'll usually give them all my clad and it makes their day, maybe even makes them consider detecting themselves.

You're focusing way too much on the bad points, which really are not bad points to begin with.
 
:D buzzard's

Yup. Pemission every where I go. I'm a taxpayer to, along with a baseball coach who puts a ton of time into making the field look good. I'd be pissed if someone was stuffing a lesche tool into the grass I've been taking care of because he thinks it's his "right". What next? Maybe cut down a couple trees for some firewood? I mean, if there's no sign, why not?

Nice glad you are taking the time to get permission for sites that Require it. Not a coach or anything but lets just say your not the only person that takes trash out of the ball fields when using them, do you personally take a mower to them or something? Also you are comparing something that has a rule written against it CLEARLY in most city townships around the country to again mding? Any way ill leave the experience explaining and what not to tom he does a better job. GO TOM WOOT! WOOT!
 
Yup. Pemission every where I go. I'm a taxpayer to, along with a baseball coach who puts a ton of time into making the field look good. I'd be pissed if someone was stuffing a lesche tool into the grass I've been taking care of because he thinks it's his "right". What next? Maybe cut down a couple trees for some firewood? I mean, if there's no sign, why not?

I have detected numerous properties owned by landscapers who are the most OCD about their lawns being pristine and every single one of them told me they couldn't even tell I was there.

If you're a putz and dig huge craters, sure you'll piss people off. If you take your time and do it right, nobody can tell you were there.

Riddle me this....you seem to think b/c the baseball coach puts in time taking care of the fields, that they belong to him and only he dictates who can use them. It doesn't work that way my friend. Now if this is his private property, absolutely. Public park, no way.
 
I even had a lady tell me my detector bothered her dog once! (I think she thought it emitted a sound or frequency that only dogs heard?)

Recently reported incidents and my own dog's curiosity of my coil while machine is on have got me thinking there may be something to what that lady claimed.

Certainly, operating in the 15khz to 20 khz range would be perceived by canines. And 3.5 to 7.5khz etc. is even within our own hearing range. Maybe dogs can perceive the ground vibrations much like deaf people can often do with percussive musical sounds.

Just a thought...

Papa
 
....... Digging up holes in an area that someone is making look good for a reason....

wait ....hold on just a moment: what is the clear implication of what you've just said uptown ? Did anyone else catch it? : HOLES. Of course .

Do *you* leave holes uptown ? If so, I would suggest you repeat target-recovery 101 class .
 
No I don't mow them, but I'm down there lining field, raking infields so that the kids get a true hop, and have a good place to play. I would come unglued it I spent a couple nights down there one week, and a guy is sinking a tool into the grass next to the mound. I certainly would think he was a dope when I asked him who told him it was alright to do that, and have him tell me "there wasn't a sign, and I pay taxes here so I just felt like it".

At the very least it's just down right inconciderate.....

For the record, we don't let little Johnny or Sally sit there dragging their cleats back and forth messing up the field. Their folks pay taxes in town also, along with a registration fee to play, so does that give them the right to deface the field? With your logic, I guess I might be in a court room this year for making them knock it off, along with the other 6 coaches that feel the same as me?

:wow: :laughing: sorry you have to work so hard for your other hobby.(Lets not be "inconsiderate") remember just cause you use the field for 2 hours or so playing and marking lines to play baseball, others also have the right to use it for their hobby may it be kite flying or mding. You don't own it and your not the only tough guy in town that can "come unglued"...SMH. For the record most mder know better to detect any mound on a baseball field.Can tell your still new to the hobby, as to every one who has used a MD for a year knows that the goods are in the out field. How again am i defacing anything with your logic i wonder why you even got into this hobby. Anyway im not much of the chatter when it come to talking to ppl i dont care for. So im gonna go on about my business so i can continue my stay here at FMDF. Lots of good info on here from EXPERIENCED mders.
 
I'll keep knocking on doors, talking to town administrators, and school principals and gaining permission due to having people skills.

In the interest of others who might benefit from your approach, I hope you'll share some stories of inquiring and getting permission. There might be some tips you can share in what to say as it pertains to this hobby.

Thanks,

Papa
 
All pretty much the same question, worded differently. Strange way to join an ongoing discussion... Perhaps it's just that Tom has asked very similar question(s), literally a couple dozen times since December. Just annoying that you are just as repetitious as Tom, like a broken record, or a child, in the back seat of a car, chanting 'Are we there yet', every mile or so, on a 4 hour trip...

What sort of other activities involve a high degree of secrecy, and avoiding observation? Almost always activities no one wants to be around. A guy robbing a 7-11, is going to share his plans, out side of his little gang, involved. Certainly he would rob the 7-11, when there is a cop standing there, helping himself to some free coffee, and of course, a doughnut (sorry L.E.O.).

Wow Harv, there you go again with words meant to demean those that you don't agree with. And, to compare MDing to "robbing a 7-11"...yep, that's being a good ambassador for the hobby. Could you enlighten us some more about how us MDers that don't need to seek oral OKs like you do are sneaking around and doing our MDing in secrecy? BTW, it's a rhetorical question Harv.
 
Wow Harv, there you go again with words meant to demean those that you don't agree with. And, to compare MDing to "robbing a 7-11"...yep, that's being a good ambassador for the hobby. Could you enlighten us some more about how us MDers that don't need to seek oral OKs like you do are sneaking around and doing our MDing in secrecy? BTW, it's a rhetorical question Harv.

Do you know what an ambassador is, or does? The talk to people, not avoid them. How do you represent the hobby, if you avoid talking to people, that have an interest in the activities taking place on the ground the are paid, buy us taxpayers to take care of?

I obviously wasn't comparing metal detecting to robbing a 7-11, just the folk waving around a metal detector in secret, avoiding the authorities.

Must be a shortage of proctologist in Colorado, you seem to have some sort of obstruction...
 
Do you know what an ambassador is, or does? The talk to people, not avoid them. How do you represent the hobby, if you avoid talking to people, that have an interest in the activities taking place on the ground the are paid, buy us taxpayers to take care of?

I obviously wasn't comparing metal detecting to robbing a 7-11, just the folk waving around a metal detector in secret, avoiding the authorities.

Must be a shortage of proctologist in Colorado, you seem to have some sort of obstruction...

Getting kind of personal there Harv, after all, I said it was rhetorical. Yes you were comparing MD to robbing a 7-11 and you still are. Yes, I know what a ambassador is and does:

am·bas·sa·dor
[ am bássədər ]

1.diplomatic representative: a diplomatic official of the highest rank sent by one country as its long-term representative to another
2.official representative: an official representative of an organization or movement
3.unofficial representative: somebody or something regarded as an unofficial representative or a symbol of something

Harv, got to ask another question: Are your lips always bruised after you've been out MDing? Mine aren't.
 
Recently reported incidents and my own dog's curiosity of my coil while machine is on have got me thinking there may be something to what that lady claimed.

Certainly, operating in the 15khz to 20 khz range would be perceived by canines. And 3.5 to 7.5khz etc. is even within our own hearing range. Maybe dogs can perceive the ground vibrations much like deaf people can often do with percussive musical sounds.

Just a thought...

Papa

Me too. I know my equipment has set off dogs before.
 
Getting kind of personal there Harv, after all, I said it was rhetorical. Yes you were comparing MD to robbing a 7-11 and you still are. Yes, I know what a ambassador is and does:

am·bas·sa·dor
[ am bássədər ]

1.diplomatic representative: a diplomatic official of the highest rank sent by one country as its long-term representative to another
2.official representative: an official representative of an organization or movement
3.unofficial representative: somebody or something regarded as an unofficial representative or a symbol of something

Harv, got to ask another question: Are your lips always bruised after you've been out MDing? Mine aren't.

So, wouldn't an ambassador need to talk to people outside the hobby, to represent the hobby? Guess you had to look it up in the dictionary, so you learned something new today. Good for you! Try looking up 'Diplomacy'...

Missed the bruised lip comment, understand it was meant as an insult, but no idea of what you are implying. Violence? Hasn't been much of an issue for decades.
 
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