Mexico Trade Exchange Trade Tokens

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My Wife and I just got back from our vacation to Presa De Los Serna Mexico. My Mother and Father in law have a couple of houses there. One at the top of the mountain and the other at the bottom. The house at the top of the mountain is the "Party House" where we spent most of our time when we were not out being tourists.

My wife and I were out tooling around the town on a four-wheeler and just happened to run into my mother inlaws father. He invited us into his house to visit for a bit. Beautiful place... Anyhow, he knew that I did a bit of metal detecting and coin collecting, so he wanted to show me his coin and bill collection. He busted out a couple of books of coins and bills so that I could flip through them.

One book had these old Mexico Exchange Trade tokens in it and I was drooling all over them. I had no idea what they were but he could see that I was very interested in them. He and his wife spoke no English and we spoke no Spanish, so they brought in their son to translate. He told me that his father finds them at flea markets and bazaar markets. When he sees one, he buys it.

He didn't have much information on them, he just liked them and collected them along with old Mexican bills and coins. We then went over the rest of his small collection. It was nice but I was most impressed with the tokens.

After some pleasantries and minor chit-chat, we said our goodbyes, hopped back on the four-wheeler and went our merry way.

Three days later, our vacation was coming to an end. We were packing our bags and getting ready for our flight. My Mother-in-law (Mika) came up to me, held out her hand to give me something, and handed me these four tokens from her father's collection. I tried to refuse them but she would not have it. I accepted them with a bit of regret... Her father wanted me to have them but they are irreplaceable and I didn't want to diminish his collection. But on the other hand, I did not want to insult him by refusing them. Not to mention, I coveted them so much, I really did not want to leave them behind.

As you can see, I am now the very grateful owner of a small collection of Mexican Exchange/Trade Tokens that I know little to nothing about. So if you know anything or have any information on them, please let me/us know.

Not that it is part of the story, at least not yet, but I am going to put together a collection of coins to send back down to Mexico for him. A couple of my finds along with a 1937 (his birth year) coin ring I will get made for him.

And... No... I did not do any detecting while I was there. I did not bring my Nox with me. As I do not know the laws, I didn't want to break any by accident.
 

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Those are very nice tourist items. Not authentic.
You could be very correct. They may be tourist items. I have no idea what they are. I was told that they are old trade tokens but I can not find anything on them. If they are tourist keepsakes, they are kind of odd keepsakes. Oddly, most of these seem to represent small towns in Mexico, (not large tourist areas) and as far as I can tell, with no discernable value implied. I can not see why any tourist would be interested in having or purchasing a keepsake that doesn't relate to much of anything. Or, is the collector buying something, that they think is something, when in reality, it is nothing at all? What I mean by that is, I do not see the tourist trinket appeal in these "tokens" so I personally do not see why or how they could be tourist items. They could be IDK. Beachhunt, You may be very correct in your assessment. Can you fill me in as to how you came to that conclusion? Again, I know nothing about them and would love to know more.
 
Never seen one before! Cool pieces, whatever they are! I would be proud to have them in my collection, that's for sure.
 
Never seen one before! Cool pieces, whatever they are! I would be proud to have them in my collection, that's for sure.
Thank you. I am proud to have them. The 85-year-old gentleman that gave them to me from his collection believed that they were worth collecting. I may not know what they are, antique Mexican exchange/trade tokens or simple little tourist trinkets, but he valued them and I value his kindness and generosity in giving them to me. They will be proudly displayed in my collection.
 
Intriguing tokens, TNT, and awesome story! I guess they could be copies, but I'm pretty sure they're legit tokens for the dates stamped on them considering how you obtained them. They're known as "hacienda tokens" and were typically used to pay laborers at the ranch or hacienda. They were only good at the hacienda store, binding the worker and his family to the hacienda in a vicious cycle - very similar to coal company script here in the US. The "Vale por" translates essentially the same as "Good For" on US tokens...more specifically it means "voucher for" or "value for". "Tarea" is manual labor or a task. "Carbon", I believe, refers to coal. So the one token "Vale por tarea carbon" probably amounts to something along the lines of "voucher for coal labor", essentially wages for a day's labor? I can't find any translation for "oroeña", and my wife (a university Spanish professor) is also stumped...however "oro" does mean gold in Spanish. I suspect "oroeña" might refer to something specific or colloquial regarding gold mining? We also can't figure out "etolitro", but mais likely refers to maize, or corn. Jornal is an archaic way to say "daily wage" in Mexican Spanish. And I'd be willing to wager my jornal that "H de Tepa" is the name of the ranch..."Hacienda de Tepa"

Found a match for one of your tokens here...unfortunately there isn't much helpful information about the token itself:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1910-calvillo-aguascalientes-mexican-1911703791

And a slightly different token using the "etolitro" terminology with beans instead of maize, but the front is identical to your "jornal" token:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1885-mexican-hacienda-token-vale-eto-1794102580

Here's a website that has a little more info on hacienda tokens in general, but unfortunately, no pictures:

https://coinsite.com/mexican-hacienda-tokens/
 
Intriguing tokens, TNT, and awesome story! I guess they could be copies, but I'm pretty sure they're legit tokens for the dates stamped on them considering how you obtained them. They're known as "hacienda tokens" and were typically used to pay laborers at the ranch or hacienda. They were only good at the hacienda store, binding the worker and his family to the hacienda in a vicious cycle - very similar to coal company script here in the US. The "Vale por" translates essentially the same as "Good For" on US tokens...more specifically it means "voucher for" or "value for". "Tarea" is manual labor or a task. "Carbon", I believe, refers to coal. So the one token "Vale por tarea carbon" probably amounts to something along the lines of "voucher for coal labor", essentially wages for a day's labor? I can't find any translation for "oroeña", and my wife (a university Spanish professor) is also stumped...however "oro" does mean gold in Spanish. I suspect "oroeña" might refer to something specific or colloquial regarding gold mining? We also can't figure out "etolitro", but mais likely refers to maize, or corn. Jornal is an archaic way to say "daily wage" in Mexican Spanish. And I'd be willing to wager my jornal that "H de Tepa" is the name of the ranch..."Hacienda de Tepa"

Found a match for one of your tokens here...unfortunately there isn't much helpful information about the token itself:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1910-calvillo-aguascalientes-mexican-1911703791

And a slightly different token using the "etolitro" terminology with beans instead of maize, but the front is identical to your "jornal" token:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1885-mexican-hacienda-token-vale-eto-1794102580

Here's a website that has a little more info on hacienda tokens in general, but unfortunately, no pictures:

https://coinsite.com/mexican-hacienda-tokens/

Wow. Thank you for the in-depth description, research, and explanations (as best as you could determine) on these Hacienda Tokens. Now I do believe them to be authentic and not "tourist trinkets." Thank your wife for me as well. Once I get my printer working again, I am going to print out your post/description of these tokens and put it with them in my collection. Again, thank you so much for your research. It means a great deal to me. I am grinning from ear to ear again.
 
My Wife and I just got back from our vacation to Presa De Los Serna Mexico. My Mother and Father in law have a couple of houses there. One at the top of the mountain and the other at the bottom. The house at the top of the mountain is the "Party House" where we spent most of our time when we were not out being tourists.

My wife and I were out tooling around the town on a four-wheeler and just happened to run into my mother inlaws father. He invited us into his house to visit for a bit. Beautiful place... Anyhow, he knew that I did a bit of metal detecting and coin collecting, so he wanted to show me his coin and bill collection. He busted out a couple of books of coins and bills so that I could flip through them.

One book had these old Mexico Exchange Trade tokens in it and I was drooling all over them. I had no idea what they were but he could see that I was very interested in them. He and his wife spoke no English and we spoke no Spanish, so they brought in their son to translate. He told me that his father finds them at flea markets and bazaar markets. When he sees one, he buys it.

He didn't have much information on them, he just liked them and collected them along with old Mexican bills and coins. We then went over the rest of his small collection. It was nice but I was most impressed with the tokens.

After some pleasantries and minor chit-chat, we said our goodbyes, hopped back on the four-wheeler and went our merry way.

Three days later, our vacation was coming to an end. We were packing our bags and getting ready for our flight. My Mother-in-law (Mika) came up to me, held out her hand to give me something, and handed me these four tokens from her father's collection. I tried to refuse them but she would not have it. I accepted them with a bit of regret... Her father wanted me to have them but they are irreplaceable and I didn't want to diminish his collection. But on the other hand, I did not want to insult him by refusing them. Not to mention, I coveted them so much, I really did not want to leave them behind.

As you can see, I am now the very grateful owner of a small collection of Mexican Exchange/Trade Tokens that I know little to nothing about. So if you know anything or have any information on them, please let me/us know.

Not that it is part of the story, at least not yet, but I am going to put together a collection of coins to send back down to Mexico for him. A couple of my finds along with a 1937 (his birth year) coin ring I will get made for him.

And... No... I did not do any detecting while I was there. I did not bring my Nox with me. As I do not know the laws, I didn't want to break any by accident.
Nice!!! Congrats!!!
 
Wow. Thank you for the in-depth description, research, and explanations (as best as you could determine) on these Hacienda Tokens. Now I do believe them to be authentic and not "tourist trinkets." Thank your wife for me as well. Once I get my printer working again, I am going to print out your post/description of these tokens and put it with them in my collection. Again, thank you so much for your research. It means a great deal to me. I am grinning from ear to ear again.
No problem at all, TNT! Thanks for posting these - I pretty much geek out on US trade tokens, but I had no idea Hacienda tokens existed until you posted them. It was fun to learn about them and working through the translations - great history there! We'll keep asking around on the "oroeña" and "etolitro" terms and let you know if we come up with anything.
 
Can you fill me in as to how you came to that conclusion? Again, I know nothing about them and would love to know more.

I have a good hunting friend who lives in Mexico. He has found many of these with his detectors and has collected them. He said these items are regularly faked and stated yours look fake. However> If you want to send me close up pictures of the fronts and backs. Also a few pictures of the long edges I would forward to him for further review.

Dave
 
I have a good hunting friend who lives in Mexico. He has found many of these with his detectors and has collected them. He said these items are regularly faked and stated yours look fake. However> If you want to send me close up pictures of the fronts and backs. Also a few pictures of the long edges I would forward to him for further review.

Dave
That's ok Dave. Doesn't matter to me if they are copies. They are a very kind gift from a great man, so I am just going to enjoy them as they are. Thanks anyhow... But I did find a bit more info on them...

Hacienda Tokens:​

The tokens were used to pay the Mexican peasants working in Haciendas. They could exchange the tokens at the Hacienda's store for food, liquor, clothing, or firewood. The Hacienda owners were also proprietors of the stores, known as "Tienda de Raya". It was a way to assure that the peasants were in constant debt with their masters. Debts were passed on from generation to generation. They were abolished in 1915.
A firewood "Tarea" is the equivalent to 4 m3 of wood.
Source: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/exonumia87205.html
 
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