And they're going for very high prices compared to the cost of a new AT Pro or Max.
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And they're going for very high prices compared to the cost of a new AT Pro or Max.
woodbutcher
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Garrett's At pro is the most sought after detector till this day. Lots of guys will disagree till the end of time but ,but it is true.
I'm both awe inspired and frustrated about that fact!
I'm in awe b/c Garrett has done SUCH A GOOD JOB of marketing themselves and pushing their products. I really admire what they've accomplished.
But I'm so frustrated by people who want to buy the AT Max or AT Pro for the prices secondhand sellers and Garrett are asking for. I'm like, "don't you buyers realize you're buying an overpriced machine? Sure, if the Garrett name means that much to you, knock yourself out!" But what's happening is that so many buyers simply don't know any better.
Heck, when I first started out, the only names I knew were Fisher, Garrett, White's and Tesoro. "Minelab? Who the heck is Minelab? What is that, some budget brand?" Yes, that was me, a budding metal detector enthusiast thinking about getting a machine for the first time.
woodbutcher
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I know what your saying. And I never said the At Pro is the best machine for the money,I’m just saying it is the most sought after machine ,last year and today... It’s a midrange turn on and go machine that produces with ease. That’s the part everyone likes,and it looks a heck of a lot better than the sparkly colorful machines being produced lately.lol.
Unfortunately marketing can be more important than performance. It reminds me of Minwax (what I refer to as minjunk) wood finishes. Poor products compared to others but great marketing. The bad thing is some of the companies with better products went out of business probably because of this. I don't see Garrett putting others out of business but they'll be around for a long time.
Oh, I know. Your comment was just supporting mine, ie that at AT line of machines are in high demand.
Sad, but true...
Another good example is insurance. Generally speaking, the more a company advertises on TV (and now, maybe social media), the worse of an insurance company it is.
Coin-Saver
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You'd think with all that money they spend on advertising they would spare a little to make the AT sound less like a train wreck. Audio has come a long way Garrett.
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You'd think with all that money they spend on advertising they would spare a little to make the AT sound less like a train wreck. Audio has come a long way Garrett.
It was either Audio or Jase.
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ghound
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You couldn't give a used one away here in the UK
woodbutcher
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Nothing surprise's me over there
Monte
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The SMF 'race' today is really with the Equinox and Apex. One targeting the higher-cost, multi-adjustable segment of the market, and the other filling a void in the mid-price range. Both of them can work very well and handle an assortment of search environment conditions.
Dilek didn't mention the brand and model name, but any savvy detectorist knows it is the Minelab models at that close to $1,000 (USA) MSRP price-point, especially since Nokta / Makro are aiming at the top rung on the ladder.
Personally, the only detector I plan to see come out this year that interests me is a flagship SMF from Nokta / Makro. In my vehicle as I head out detecting this morning are my Apex and Simplex + devices, and I have never had an issue with the lower rod on my Simplex +. I keep the 5X9½ DD coil mounted full-time, and the 2.77 update provides all the performance I need from it.
I'm sure we are going to enjoy some of what 'newness' Nokta / Makro will engineer into their coming product ... especially the user-replaceable Lithium battery.
Monte
Dilek didn't mention the brand and model name, but any savvy detectorist knows it is the Minelab models at that close to $1,000 (USA) MSRP price-point, especially since Nokta / Makro are aiming at the top rung on the ladder.
Personally, the only detector I plan to see come out this year that interests me is a flagship SMF from Nokta / Makro. In my vehicle as I head out detecting this morning are my Apex and Simplex + devices, and I have never had an issue with the lower rod on my Simplex +. I keep the 5X9½ DD coil mounted full-time, and the 2.77 update provides all the performance I need from it.
I'm sure we are going to enjoy some of what 'newness' Nokta / Makro will engineer into their coming product ... especially the user-replaceable Lithium battery.
Monte
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I just wonder how the extra weight of N/M SMF unit is going to be received. Dilek’s last public word on it is it will weigh around 3.8-3.9 pounds, which makes sense when you consider the Simplex weighs 2.9 pounds, and this machine will see an under arm battery pack, and additional circuitry. Now, I’ve placed an extra pound weight on the back of my Simplex to see how it feels. I think it balances the unit out better. Still 3.9 pounds is pushing back up there near older whites units. It will weigh nearly a pound more than equinox. You’ll get a more robust build quality for it, but in an age where so many are insisting these machines weigh next to nothing I’m willing to bet that there will be an awful lot of people who buy it because it’s new to them, only to later say they can’t swing it all day.
I’m also wondering why this machine needs an under arm battery pack, and why it couldn’t have used a smaller user replaceable battery in the hand grip. There’s plenty of room in there and it can be accessed with a single screw. The battery decision says to me that one of two things, or maybe both are true. It’s either got a color screen and/or a battery draining transmit boost feature in multi. They’ve really been stressing the “true simultaneous” bit, and if it is truly simultaneous rather than sequential the transmit power would be divided in SMF mode which would limit depth without a boost feature. True SMF would also be a waste without graphics demonstrating frequency reaction to targets. Arguably that’s best done in color. This is just speculation. I don’t think anyone’s ever asked if there will be a color screen or not. Hopefully we find out this weekend.
I’m also wondering why this machine needs an under arm battery pack, and why it couldn’t have used a smaller user replaceable battery in the hand grip. There’s plenty of room in there and it can be accessed with a single screw. The battery decision says to me that one of two things, or maybe both are true. It’s either got a color screen and/or a battery draining transmit boost feature in multi. They’ve really been stressing the “true simultaneous” bit, and if it is truly simultaneous rather than sequential the transmit power would be divided in SMF mode which would limit depth without a boost feature. True SMF would also be a waste without graphics demonstrating frequency reaction to targets. Arguably that’s best done in color. This is just speculation. I don’t think anyone’s ever asked if there will be a color screen or not. Hopefully we find out this weekend.
My guess is for added run time and better balance. Look at how many people are adding a "ton" of weight to the back of the Equinox to make it better balanced. Maybe a battery like in the Simplex would have given it 10 hours of field time, but then they'd have to add weight to the back to make it easier to swing. So the engineers thought, "we're gonna add weight to the back anyways, why not put a battery there and double the run time?"
I think the weight will be an issue, but not a big one b/c I foresee this machine being fairly well-balanced...at least compared to a stock Equinox.
Remember, one of the "best" detectors in terms of balance and ergonomics is the T2/F75. And the F75 weighs in at about 3.5 pounds.
Cherry Picker
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I love my Simplex+ for the price but have been planning to get another Equinox 800 when I can. Now I'm intrigued by this new Nokta. There are 2 things I'd like to see.
1. More target ID segments.
2. Better ergonomics like the Deus.
I'm just sold on having a better VDI system than most of the new detectors. For the way I hunt, a good 100 or more VDI target ID segments is a plus.
1. More target ID segments.
2. Better ergonomics like the Deus.
I'm just sold on having a better VDI system than most of the new detectors. For the way I hunt, a good 100 or more VDI target ID segments is a plus.
That's a very tall order given the anticipated weight of this new machine...
Cherry Picker
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Agreed! Out of all the detectors I have owned nothing comes close to the comfort and ease of use of the Deus.
markinswpa
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Xs2. Particularly the ID. One thing about the Equinox I don't care for is the compressed ID. If the new Nokta has full ID I think I would give it a try.
As far as weight and ergo, a well balanced machine would do the trick.
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Will this new "thingy" work better in salt water and wet sand that the Equinox. ???
Cherry Picker
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I think the idea of making a better detector than the 800 would be a tough one to do, but one as good but cheaper is within the realm of possibility.
Having owned both I see the Equinox 800 as a scaled down $800 version of the CTX3030. The multi-frequency technology of the E-Trac/CTX3030 has never been revealed. I think the Multi-IQ isn't new detector technology as much as it is more details of the FBS technology with a faster processor.
The Equinox 800s claim to fame, in my opinion, is price. If Nokta can produce this same technology at an even lower price, they will set a new bar.
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