Here’s a good non bias video

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That video was posted more to show that the at pro with the right coil can be a deep machine.Honestly I never posted it to put other machines down,or even insinuate that..Someone else got on here and turned it into that,and yea I took the bait and said a few things.But that’s not my intended purpose,I was mostly focusing on the at pro and not so much the others.
 
Just want to congratulate the participants of this thread...Friendly back and forth debate...logic, observations, etc...I enjoyed the dialog and gained a bit of personal thinking settlement concerning the NOX SWOT analysis here, Y'all did a fine job in good fashion with the debate...like a bunch of old guys sitting around at the feed store talking about tractors!!....Loved It! .:cheers:.
 
Just want to congratulate the participants of this thread...Friendly back and forth debate...logic, observations, etc...I enjoyed the dialog and gained a bit of personal thinking settlement concerning the NOX SWOT analysis here, Y'all did a fine job in good fashion with the debate...like a bunch of old guys sitting around at the feed store talking about tractors!!....Loved It! .:cheers:.
I have tractors too!
 
This is our Mcdonalds gathering every morning lol! At least that is where all the old timers meet here where i live to hash it out every morning over coffee!

Yeah! I just got back from the Piggley Wiggley...same thing going on there! Every morning right at 7am opening, theres set of 4 old guys that meet there and drink the free coffee and sit and talk about the Weather/Politics/Etc in the foyer!

Man, the conversations of Old guys...free coffee, ballbussin' topics...A fellow learns a lot, and its entertaining as Heck!....Used to be this went on in every little town bait shop or whatnot...This Forum is such a place...
 
Yeah! I just got back from the Piggley Wiggley...same thing going on there! Every morning right at 7am opening, theres set of 4 old guys that meet there and drink the free coffee and sit and talk about the Weather/Politics/Etc in the foyer!

Man, the conversations of Old guys...free coffee, ballbussin' topics...A fellow learns a lot, and its entertaining as Heck!....Used to be this went on in every little town bait shop or whatnot...This Forum is such a place...

It is!
 
hmmm I don't have garrett flying me all over the country and don't get paid to detect but if I did it would be own. I got to work sometimes... I don't think I do to bad for my few little sites I have around here though...Hoover boys ever found one these? :laughing:
Never said your videos were fixed.But you have no field time on most of the machine you test...and you won't get anywhere near the performance in your majic machines in my soil,it's a whole different type of soil..tests are tests,if that’s your thing..But when you start pulling the finds the Hoover boys do with they’re at pros,then we can talk:laughing:
 

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At least for me , depth is not the most important thing. Unmasking is #1 and really about 80 percent of what i am looking for in a machine.

I can get my Etrac with 6x8 sef coil to find a coin in trash that i cannot get my nox with 11 inch to see. But you got to compare apples to apples, if i put the stock 11 inch coil on my Etrac ,,,, its game over and all nox.

Nothing i have ever put my hands on unmasks like the Deus, NOX, and in third place in my experience it is the Impact with small elliptical coil.

What IM excited about is a 6x8 sef coil for my NOX! If and when that happens it will again be a whole new world at every spot i have detected.

Not to derail the thread, but have you ever used the 7" concentric on the Impact? If so, what did you think compared to the 7.5x4 elliptical relating to accurate target ID and unmasking in trash?
 
Thanks. ATP had the stock coil in that video and did not do as well. I guess that shows the Nel coil is deeper than stock? Wonder if it's really worth the cost?

My buddy hunts with a Thunder coil and won't take it off unless he's going to a sniper.
 
Good to know. Have been thinking about upgrading from my ATP or possibly buying a coil to go over my old sites again. These videos help.

My buddy hunts with a Thunder coil and won't take it off unless he's going to a sniper.
 
Not to derail the thread, but have you ever used the 7" concentric on the Impact? If so, what did you think compared to the 7.5x4 elliptical relating to accurate target ID and unmasking in trash?
I have both coils, and use them both. Both are very good but i need to do some real world target testing and compare them on the same target, then dig to give you an accurate opinion. TN might have more info about the 2 head to head. Strengths and weakness of both.
 
That tornado coil is 12x13,,so a inch bigger? And did you see him raise that at pro up off the ground at least 3 inches,and still bang n those coins? Those other machines were scrubbing the ground and not getting a halfway decent hit.
No,no bait and switch there,I’d call those machines evenly equipped with equally sized coils.
And you can’t tweak the At pro,what it is is what it is.That alone says a lot.I know you guys like to tear up the at pro,but truth be told that machine will pretty much outdo anything out there.Garrett just didn’t equip it with a good stock coil,but when you do put a similar sized coil on it,the playing field changes.
I’m not trying to glorify anything,or tear anything apart.At pro is just a great machine,it is what it is,no fuss,no tweaking,just straight forward performance.
Lol I owned an atpro and used it for years. Had 4 different coils for it. My nox800 will detect circles around the pro no matter what coil it wears. My 800 gets better depth with stock coil than my at pro did with my huge nel storm coil. Stock nox coil separates as good or better than the small 5x8 on at pro while still having better depth. At pro is a great entry to mid level detector but it is not in same realm with the nox800. This is based on my actual field experience with both machines in my area. This is a fact. It may be different in other soils but here it's no contest.

I didn't plan on ever selling my at pro. It was going to be my back up machine and loaner forever. That was until I used my 800 about three times. That was all it took to see I would never need or use my at pro again. I sold it all shortly after.

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Seems like a good straight forward video..The at pro does have a tornado coil on it,but it’s as close to a 11 round as you can get,like the equinox and the 3030 have on them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHjfPMSqFjk&sns=em


I dont think the shape of the coil makes any difference , they are all DD coils and the pro's stock 11 inch coil should have been an equal match. Far as I know , the only time a " round " coil should make a difference is if it was a concentric coil instead of a DD coil.

A couple things to note on this video. First , he did the noise cancel on the equinox with the coil sitting on the ground which is wrong.....would that affect performance ? ..... I dont know , maybe not. Second , he was in park 1 multi mode factory settings , the thing is this is just a starting point.....the machine can be further tweaked for better performance. The different mode and sensitivity settings alone make a huge difference , and if he set the nox in 5 khx single freq it would have hit every target well and possible slightly deeper , only in single frequency which I have found to hunt quite a bit deeper it does not have the multi freq advantage and it often calls bottle caps good coins. I also dont think I seen him ground balance the detector.

So the nox was used in a limited basic starting off point , noise cancelled wrong , not ground balanced , and with a smaller coil than the tornado on the AT pro. The Nox can be further configured to get a lot more performance out of it and matched to particuar conditions , while the Pro basically is what it is , you cant really go anywhere from there besides limited adjustments which may or may not help.

The guy claims its not a biased comparison , yet he has given every advantage to the pro possible and kept the equinox in a cage :lol: He needs to open the nox up and turn it loose. I dont know enough about the other two detectors to comment on them. But this was not an unbiased comparison at all.

Something else that should be mentioned is that one the strengths of the equinox is target separation and unmasking. In just that aspect alone the equinox stomps the at pro hard......but you put that huge coil on the pro and you do get some extra depth , but you lose even more separation and masking ability......its fact , the more ground covered the more target masking and blending takes place. So while it works great on a single deep coin in clean ground or sterile test bed , put another object or two in there and now you often wind up with a target you may not even stop to investigate....if you hear it at all........Meanwhile the nox separates targets at depth well , even when there is some blending going on you can usually easily tell there are multiple targets. That is what is wrong with this type of test , they do give you a basic idea of a detectors potential , but only under the exact conditions of the test. Which is great if you only hunt sterile test beds :lol: .....but you are rarely ever going to encounter a situation like that out in the wild.

I know your intended purpose was just to show that the AT pro can be a deep machine , and you are right it can be. I am not trying to pick this thread apart , just discussing some things I noticed on the video and some things that should be taken into account with the AT pro.
 
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I dont think the shape of the coil makes any difference , they are all DD coils and the pro's stock 11 inch coil should have been an equal match. Far as I know , the only time a " round " coil should make a difference is if it was a concentric coil instead of a DD coil.

A couple things to note on this video. First , he did the noise cancel on the equinox with the coil sitting on the ground which is wrong.....would that affect performance ? ..... I dont know , maybe not. Second , he was in park 1 multi mode factory settings , the thing is this is just a starting point.....the machine can be further tweaked for better performance. The different mode and sensitivity settings alone make a huge difference , and if he set the nox in 5 khx single freq it would have hit every target well and possible slightly deeper , only in single frequency which I have found to hunt quite a bit deeper it does not have the multi freq advantage and it often calls bottle caps good coins. I also dont think I seen him ground balance the detector.

So the nox was used in a limited basic starting off point , noise cancelled wrong , not ground balanced , and with a smaller coil than the tornado on the AT pro. The Nox can be further configured to get a lot more performance out of it and matched to particuar conditions , while the Pro basically is what it is , you cant really go anywhere from there besides limited adjustments which may or may not help.

The guy claims its not a biased comparison , yet he has given every advantage to the pro possible and kept the equinox in a cage [emoji38] He needs to open the nox up and turn it loose. I dont know enough about the other two detectors to comment on them. But this was not an unbiased comparison at all.

Something else that should be mentioned is that one the strengths of the equinox is target separation and unmasking. In just that aspect alone the equinox stomps the at pro hard......but you put that huge coil on the pro and you do get some extra depth , but you lose even more separation and masking ability......its fact , the more ground covered the more target masking and blending takes place. So while it works great on a single deep coin in clean ground or sterile test bed , put another object or two in there and now you often wind up with a target you may not even stop to investigate....if you hear it at all........Meanwhile the nox separates targets at depth well , even when there is some blending going on you can usually easily tell there are multiple targets. That is what is wrong with this type of test , they do give you a basic idea of a detectors potential , but only under the exact conditions of the test. Which is great if you only hunt sterile test beds [emoji38] .....but you are rarely ever going to encounter a situation like that out in the wild.
Well put. These are the issues with these test videos. Whether intentional or not they are always biased. I have seen some biased towards nox as well. Actual field results are true test. And from what I have seen in my area and on other videos field results have already shown the nox as far superior to atpro.

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Lol I owned an atpro and used it for years. Had 4 different coils for it. My nox800 will detect circles around the pro no matter what coil it wears. My 800 gets better depth with stock coil than my at pro did with my huge nel storm coil. Stock nox coil separates as good or better than the small 5x8 on at pro while still having better depth. At pro is a great entry to mid level detector but it is not in same realm with the nox800. This is based on my actual field experience with both machines in my area. This is a fact. It may be different in other soils but here it's no contest.

I didn't plan on ever selling my at pro. It was going to be my back up machine and loaner forever. That was until I used my 800 about three times. That was all it took to see I would never need or use my at pro again. I sold it all shortly after.

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And my results are actually in field experience too.And I’m sorry but the nox is not deeper than the at pro in my ground,not when the at pro is fitted with a tornado coil.Yea i have both machines too
 
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