New Minelab Equinox

metaladdict said:

Is April 2018 when Minelab will sell the Eq?

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Detector said:

I'm guessing 60, or there bouts, target ID segments. I have looked as close as possible at the horse shoe and count around 60 segments. From what I've seen 30-40 in the FE range and the rest in the CO range.

For me this is an important state. The more target ID segments, generally, the more accurate the target ID.

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jadocs said:

Need to know more about this multi-freq. This is the only feature that makes this machine unique. Everything else about it has already been done before, and done well.

My prediction is that there are limitations or it's crippled someway when compared to CTX or Excal performance in the surf. Maybe it will be good for the casual water hunter, which would make it a mid range surf machine.

If it performs equal to an Excal (minus the 250' depth rating) I'll be all in, but I seriously doubt it.

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jadocs said:

Need to know more about this multi-freq. This is the only feature that makes this machine unique. Everything else about it has already been done before, and done well.

My prediction is that there are limitations or it's crippled someway when compared to CTX or Excal performance in the surf. Maybe it will be good for the casual water hunter, which would make it a mid range surf machine.

If it performs equal to an Excal (minus the 250' depth rating) I'll be all in, but I seriously doubt it.

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Trashfinder said:

I have been posting the same thing! Minelab clearly states will be a single freq killer, not fbs killer. They would be extremely dumb and emphasis on this extremely dumb to kill their ctx sales by making the multifreq part better or on par, for 800 or 600 dollars a machine. The only situation in which the fbs tech is not supreme is in extremely intense trash. Then i prefer a small coil, very fast , very deep single freq detector like impact or deus.[/QUOTE]

"The only situation in which fbs tech is not supreme is in extremely intense trash."

Well, if we base fbs tech on just which detectors it is installed in,,,I disagree with this statement.

Why?
First off we could maybe build another fbs detector using different freqs probably. But we don't have one right now.

So, CTX, Etrac, Explorer series,,all these fall short on lower smaller conductors, and even with low, mid and higher conductors in higher minerlized ground performance.
Solo sitting targets in clean ground.
Deus will surpass even using LF coils.
Deus will really surpass using HF coils.
Rutus alter 71 can surpass too.

In clean ground using fbs/fbs2 detectors using all available coils currently made for any and all, some nonferrous will be left behind.
And target orientation, size, shape, soil mineral levels, conductivity ,,,any of these could be the driver.
Fbs/fbs2 is not the end all for all targets even in clean ground.

And no other one technology in one detector line series is either.

Two small examples.

Take Etrac or CTX with stock coil,, sweep an 11" deep undisturbed nickel.
Sweep a Deus with 11" LF coil over the same nickel.
Wonder which will give enough tone to dig? Try this over medium minerlized ground.
Done been there and tried this.

Let a Deus user who knows how to run elliptical HF coil, follow a CTX person detecting, with CTXer goal to dig all nonferous using their coil of choice. Watch what happens. Do this experiment over clean ground, medium mineralized.
Been there and tried this.

Even this past afternoon, I dug a piece of foil at8" deep using HF elliptical on Deus. Wonder what the mighty CTX would have done if swung over?
This area already pouned btw with Etrac and CTX,,maybe this is why the foil was still there and deep.
Deus LF coil I think missed too previously both the 9" and 11" coils.

The problem with the detector that fbs/fbs2 tech is installed in is,,in order to hit some of the targets,,higher manual sensitivity is a must. And even still some targets will not be hit.
But when you go this higher manual sensivity route, over medium mineralized ground for example the detectors are not perfectly stable all the time.
The detector will give some whirly whoop tone as coils are swept.
Makes it hard to tell target hits from the ground feedback that is acquired.
Medium and higher conductors this is less problematic.

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jadocs said:

Need to know more about this multi-freq. This is the only feature that makes this machine unique. Everything else about it has already been done before, and done well.

My prediction is that there are limitations or it's crippled someway when compared to CTX or Excal performance in the surf. Maybe it will be good for the casual water hunter, which would make it a mid range surf machine.

If it performs equal to an Excal (minus the 250' depth rating) I'll be all in, but I seriously doubt it.

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tnsharpshooter said:

Trashfinder said:

I have been posting the same thing! Minelab clearly states will be a single freq killer, not fbs killer. They would be extremely dumb and emphasis on this extremely dumb to kill their ctx sales by making the multifreq part better or on par, for 800 or 600 dollars a machine. The only situation in which the fbs tech is not supreme is in extremely intense trash. Then i prefer a small coil, very fast , very deep single freq detector like impact or deus.[/QUOTE]

"The only situation in which fbs tech is not supreme is in extremely intense trash."

Well, if we base fbs tech on just which detectors it is installed in,,,I disagree with this statement.

Why?
First off we could maybe build another fbs detector using different freqs probably. But we don't have one right now.

So, CTX, Etrac, Explorer series,,all these fall short on lower smaller conductors, and even with low, mid and higher conductors in higher minerlized ground performance.
Solo sitting targets in clean ground.
Deus will surpass even using LF coils.
Deus will really surpass using HF coils.
Rutus alter 71 can surpass too.

In clean ground using fbs/fbs2 detectors using all available coils currently made for any and all, some nonferrous will be left behind.
And target orientation, size, shape, soil mineral levels, conductivity ,,,any of these could be the driver.
Fbs/fbs2 is not the end all for all targets even in clean ground.

And no other one technology in one detector line series is either.

Two small examples.

Take Etrac or CTX with stock coil,, sweep an 11" deep undisturbed nickel.
Sweep a Deus with 11" LF coil over the same nickel.
Wonder which will give enough tone to dig? Try this over medium minerlized ground.
Done been there and tried this.

Let a Deus user who knows how to run elliptical HF coil, follow a CTX person detecting, with CTXer goal to dig all nonferous using their coil of choice. Watch what happens. Do this experiment over clean ground, medium mineralized.
Been there and tried this.

Even this past afternoon, I dug a piece of foil at8" deep using HF elliptical on Deus. Wonder what the mighty CTX would have done if swung over?
This area already pouned btw with Etrac and CTX,,maybe this is why the foil was still there and deep.
Deus LF coil I think missed too previously both the 9" and 11" coils.

The problem with the detector that fbs/fbs2 tech is installed in is,,in order to hit some of the targets,,higher manual sensitivity is a must. And even still some targets will not be hit.
But when you go this higher manual sensivity route, over medium mineralized ground for example the detectors are not perfectly stable all the time.
The detector will give some whirly whoop tone as coils are swept.
Makes it hard to tell target hits from the ground feedback that is acquired.
Medium and higher conductors this is less problematic.

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Main problem with the Deus is every friend I know who has one got it to lighten the load at the beach. But after using it a while they put the Deus in the closet and go back to the CTX. And not talking gold here. But a CTX with the 11" coil will hit 12" deep nickels all day if its set up right. Gold? Only found one gold 12" deep so far. And it was iffy. So if the Equinox runs smooth and deeper than Deus, AT pro its all they need. Sadly when someone beach hunting with an AT pro says "Don't waste time over there I already hammered it". And everyone heads over there to detect it, they get their feelings hurt. AT pro is single frequency people. Deus too. They were never made to be a salt beach detector. They are for the dry sand

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60 don't get it. On the Etrac (I don't know about CTX) every pixel on the pattern screen can be allowed or ignored. Maybe they are cutting corners to keep the price down.

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itsaring! said:

If you look at it for the price is made to eliminate the AT pro type detectors from the salt beach. Not their own. Skinny, light, waterproof, multi frequency, etc. Not all gold in the ocean is deep. All you need is something stable. I find more gold water hunting with an 8" excal than with a 10". A beach hunter on the gold will pay this detector off in a few good digs or less. And depending on the warranty you can get two if one floods and just keep rotating sending them in. Im not as scared to flood one of these as I am my other expensive water machines out of warranty. And has anybody ever really ever solved flooding issues? As long as it smokes an at pro beach hunting is all they need. Its not meant to be a CTX or Excalibur. Its meant to replace a Deus, AT pro. Sadly it will be released probably when the water is too cold to try neck deep

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tnsharpshooter said:

Itaring,
You are assuming facts not in evidence.

Go read the advert on Minelab's page again.
I think a safe bet is to say this Equinox line likely will not id as well as fbs/fbs2 series detectors.

But stability in salt water,,as far as stability of Equinox,,haven't seen any video or even comments to support one way or the other.

So you think the Equinox is aimed only at At series and Deus?

Why because they are waterproof?
Or light weight?

I truly think the Equinox line is aimed at challenging a whole of of detectors.

Bunches really.

But if it does only perform say in salt water to roughly 85% of fbs2 in salt water environment, for the price is this not a bad thing.

It seems Minelab has developed this new tech for the multi freq.
So, how stable is it in salt sand and water ?

I don't think for one minute Minelab would have been working on tech multifreq wise,,that would be in the end totally subservient to fbs/fbs2.
Would be strange for them to do.

Also, and I don't know the answer here to this question.
Some have mentioned in other places, why didn't Minelab create a detector that has both fbs or fbs2 along with single freq ops.
Is this even feasible to do? Using the same coil?
Seems it might not be, and the reason Minelab didn't do or haven't done.

So, could we based on what you are saying,,Minelab just basically developed this new multi freq tech to save the Etrac and CTX??

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itsaring! said:

I know I own an Explorer SE and a CTX. And the Explorer doesn't do what a CTX does. What this detector will do remains to be seen. I know Florida beaches cause a lot of issues to deal with. Sov GT at the waters edge, CTX in the black sand, etc. I know im fixing to pre order one of these. If its like the go find I will have wasted my money.

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tnsharpshooter said:

I realize people seem to smell a rat.
Or are maybe in a fashion complaining about the lower prices (non traditional for Minelab here)

But how many folks would even be interested in the detector models if they were priced at 1800-2500 dollars?

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itsaring! said:

Good point. Not Me! Im just wondering if you pre order if you get stuck with the full asking price? Someones gonna have to quote me a price before I click the pay now button.

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bibelot said:

Any of you parting with a racer 2 for the equinox, let me,I am looking for a racer 2........

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SavingThePast said:

I am. I also have all the coils made for it and the wireless headphones if you are interested.

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budaf250 said:

I am on board with you there. Kelly Co is by far the worst out there. Just saying call Kelly Co and see how long the wait on even warranty work on a Minelab is going to be. I will never buy any machine from them. Let alone them service a machine. I am stuck with them as of now as Minelab is using them and have no other means of repair. MINELAB GET YOUR OWN REPAIR CENTER HERE IN THE USA.

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