I have kind of been thinking about this whole Whites closing thing and the more I think about it the more I think they did it to themselves. They chased Carl off and new development just came to a grinding halt. I beta tested for Whites, and Carl more specifically. They really had only a couple of machines that were performers. The V3i and of course the variations of the amazing MXT detector. (I don't know a thing about anything other than the discriminators.) I jumped ship on Whites over their support of the Vision/V3/V3i detector. I bought a Vision that did not even come with a manual. I used it and learned it, and in the end championed it against the Minelab E-Trac. That being said I use an E-Trac now, and just could not stomach having to pay for firmware updates. I even lasted through the coil issues, but the firmware issue just turned me sour. Still it is sad to see them go. I have a lot of fond memories of purchasing, learning, and using the XLT, MXT, DFX, and Vision/V3/V3i. I was a good customer.