Took The New Garrett ACE APEX Out For A Water Hunt Today

[ghound]

I think Garrett will spin off a cheaper version of the Apex also, just as Minelab will make a new flagship model using feedback from the Nox

That said how many testers have you ever heard say something like "this detector sucks" ? I think John's machine is to get feedback on what can make the detector better. Not only for the final release of the Apex but the PRO Apex or whatever Garrett chooses to name it.

Remember Garrett is doing opposite of Minelab where they went from the Nox to the Vanquish. Garrett will be moving forward. I think John's feedback will give Garrett ideas for features that should be included and maybe some that shouldn't be included.

On my end it doesn't make any difference if he has a "gig" with Garrett. There are testers all over the world for Detector companies. They will balance each other out at the end of the day. Garrett can review the data and make an informed decision. That way not just one tester can leverage how a detector works. Honestly, I don't think it's anyone's business what his affiliation with Garrett is.

 

[mh9162013]

Compared to?

Someone who is affiliated with Garrett is going to be affected by that relationship. We assume they will be more positive toward the Garrett product, although that's not guaranteed.

Either way, I (and I think most people) are more likely to believe a product review/analysis when the person doing the review does not have a relationship with the maker the the product.

I'm not saying any of Garrett's "employees" are going to to lie, but many of them will mislead, at least to some extent.

 

[mh9162013]

That said how many testers have you ever heard say something like "this detector sucks" ? I think John's machine is to get feedback on what can make the detector better. Not only for the final release of the Apex but the PRO Apex or whatever Garrett chooses to name it.

Remember Garrett is doing opposite of Minelab where they went from the Nox to the Vanquish. Garrett will be moving forward. I think John's feedback will give Garrett ideas for features that should be included and maybe some that shouldn't be included.

On my end it doesn't make any difference if he has a "gig" with Garrett. There are testers all over the world for Detector companies. They will balance each other out at the end of the day. Garrett can review the data and make an informed decision. That way not just one tester can leverage how a detector works. Honestly, I don't think it's anyone's business what his affiliation with Garrett is.

Doesn't make a difference in what way? For me, it doesn't make a difference in that I'll still consider buying the Apex and I'll still listen to what John has to say about it. However, it does make a difference in that I'll keep the salt shaker handy when I read his comments about the Apex. But that's not saying John's a liar, untrustworthy, etc. It just means that I'll assume that what he says (or what he doesn't say or how he says things) might be affected by his relationship with Garrett.

As for a tester saying "this detector sucks," I'm sure it gets said by testers all the time...or something to that effect. I'm sure it was said often with the AT Max. Ok, so maybe they didn't say, "this detector sucks" but I'm sure testers of the AT Max said things like:

"No, this cannot hunt salt water beaches as well as a PI or SMF detector"
"Yes, this gets better depth, but at a cost of increased chatter"

So even if someone's job is just to give constructive feedback, that they might still regulate what they say about the product in public. This is perfectly understandable, especially if Garrett plans on addressing the potential problems in a machine before its release. In that case, publicly being negative about a product is not constructive, at all.

 

[mh9162013]

I think Garrett will spin off a cheaper version of the Apex also, just as Minelab will make a new flagship model using feedback from the Nox

Oh, absolutely. I foresee a version of the Apex for $200 or so.

 

[NickelPlate]

I’m new here and haven’t been around very long but it seems there is an amount of anti Garrett sentiment and I’m curious why it seems to cause polarization more so than any other company? Did they do something in the past to deserve bashing? Or is it just typical “mine is better than yours” forum nonsense, brand loyalty etc? I dunno maybe I’m reading into it too much:shrugs:.

 

[mh9162013]

I’m new here and haven’t been around very long but it seems there is an amount of anti Garrett sentiment and I’m curious why it seems to cause polarization more so than any other company? Did they do something in the past to deserve bashing? Or is it just typical “mine is better than yours” forum nonsense, brand loyalty etc? I dunno maybe I’m reading into it too much:shrugs:.

I haven't noticed much anti-Garrett sentiment. I haven't noticed much anti-[insert metal detecting company here] sentiment, to be honest. I mean, yes, you have a few people that hate a company here or there, but I haven't noticed a consistent pattern.

I have one company that I really don't like. But I don't bash them online.

 

[HaroldILL.]

I’m new here and haven’t been around very long but it seems there is an amount of anti Garrett sentiment and I’m curious why it seems to cause polarization more so than any other company? Did they do something in the past to deserve bashing? Or is it just typical “mine is better than yours” forum nonsense, brand loyalty etc? I dunno maybe I’m reading into it too much:shrugs:.

Yes it seems everyone and there brother was raving about the Nox and Simplex before it even hit the streets.
I rather help a USA company out as that is where I live.

 

[woodbutcher]

I’m new here and haven’t been around very long but it seems there is an amount of anti Garrett sentiment and I’m curious why it seems to cause polarization more so than any other company? Did they do something in the past to deserve bashing? Or is it just typical “mine is better than yours” forum nonsense, brand loyalty etc? I dunno maybe I’m reading into it too much:shrugs:.

Garrett did nothing but put out a all terrain machine that stood on top for 12 years before anyone put anything out to challenge it . Some guys just assume minelab has always had a machine to rival the at pro, and that's just fake news.
And now Garrett has put out a simutanous multi frequency machine that I've heard many say couldn't be done cause minelab had the patent.bla bla bla. Lol. And it didn't take Garrett 12 years to catch up like other brands. Nox has been out 2 years and Garrett fired back.

 

[jmaryt]

Doesn't make a difference in what way? For me, it doesn't make a difference in that I'll still consider buying the Apex and I'll still listen to what John has to say about it. However, it does make a difference in that I'll keep the salt shaker handy when I read his comments about the Apex. But that's not saying John's a liar, untrustworthy, etc. It just means that I'll assume that what he says (or what he doesn't say or how he says things) might be affected by his relationship with Garrett.

As for a tester saying "this detector sucks," I'm sure it gets said by testers all the time...or something to that effect. I'm sure it was said often with the AT Max. Ok, so maybe they didn't say, "this detector sucks" but I'm sure testers of the AT Max said things like:

"No, this cannot hunt salt water beaches as well as a PI or SMF detector"
"Yes, this gets better depth, but at a cost of increased chatter"

So even if someone's job is just to give constructive feedback, that they might still regulate what they say about the product in public. This is perfectly understandable, especially if Garrett plans on addressing the potential problems in a machine before its release. In that case, publicly being negative about a product is not constructive, at all.

you want an "un biased" review?..tell garrett to ship one to you and YOU will review it "warts and all!" why would you trust what people say if they are being paid by garrett! ..i'm just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.

 

[longbow62]

I'm pretty much a Minelab fan, and a avid Equinox 800 user. I really do well with it. That being said I am completely open to buying a new Garrett offering if I think the machine will enhance my detecting experience.

The Apex is great looking machine for sure! While I don't think I am in the market for one I do want to hear all about it and don't give a hoot if the person is a Garrett sponsored field tester or not. Others will eventually chime in as they become available. I am seldom an early adopter of new products and was highly skeptical of the Equinox at first. After checking out and weighing a lot of reviews I purchased one. The same will be true of most if not all of the future new detector offerings regardless of brand.

 

[ghound]

The big positive is that Garrett are back in the game, the negatives i see are it's placed in a tight space between the Vanquish and the Nox600, it lacks a higher freq, and it's not updatable on line.
Consider the many years advantage that ML have in designing software for multi freq detectors, yet the Nox when released couldn't see big silver on edge until it had an update.
It's now had 2 and i believe another is due so that you can reduce iron bias further into the negative.
If Garrett don't get the software/programming perfect first go, then what?

 

[MuddyMo]

I'd like to see a fair comparison to the nox for land hunting. I'm sure there'll be tons of comparisons but finding an unbiased one will be the challenge. Looking forward to Steve Herschbach reviewing it.

 

[diggindaboot]

you want an "un biased" review?..tell garrett to ship one to you and YOU will review it "warts and all!" why would you trust what people say if they are being paid by garrett! ..i'm just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.

What if he isn't getting paid by Garrett ? What if he's just a Canadian tester for Garrett to understand how a detector performs with their coins and terrain ? Usually a tester gets to keep the detector they're testing. Do you consider that compensation ? Also, why wouldn't Garrett have testers in Canada, Europe and the States ?

 

[diggindaboot]

I'd like to see a fair comparison to the nox for land hunting. I'm sure there'll be tons of comparisons but finding an unbiased one will be the challenge. Looking forward to Steve Herschbach reviewing it.

It wasn't made to compete with the Nox. I expect their next release to compete with the Nox.

 

[diggindaboot]

Wow, you do not have any sense of humor. Kinda looks like someone put some turpentine in your grits.

It wasn't a joke. You're consistent with your pithy, ignorant comments about Garrett.

 

[diggindaboot]

I’m new here and haven’t been around very long but it seems there is an amount of anti Garrett sentiment and I’m curious why it seems to cause polarization more so than any other company? Did they do something in the past to deserve bashing? Or is it just typical “mine is better than yours” forum nonsense, brand loyalty etc? I dunno maybe I’m reading into it too much:shrugs:.[/QUOTE

There is. As soon as the announcement was released it was picked apart. I'm always amazed when a detector is released people focus on a perceived negative instead of the positive. In reality, Garrett has upped the game. Now there is more they can do to create better options. Across the board this is better for detecting technology.

 

[diggindaboot]

Doesn't make a difference in what way? For me, it doesn't make a difference in that I'll still consider buying the Apex and I'll still listen to what John has to say about it. However, it does make a difference in that I'll keep the salt shaker handy when I read his comments about the Apex. But that's not saying John's a liar, untrustworthy, etc. It just means that I'll assume that what he says (or what he doesn't say or how he says things) might be affected by his relationship with Garrett.

As for a tester saying "this detector sucks," I'm sure it gets said by testers all the time...or something to that effect. I'm sure it was said often with the AT Max. Ok, so maybe they didn't say, "this detector sucks" but I'm sure testers of the AT Max said things like:

"No, this cannot hunt salt water beaches as well as a PI or SMF detector"
"Yes, this gets better depth, but at a cost of increased chatter"

So even if someone's job is just to give constructive feedback, that they might still regulate what they say about the product in public. This is perfectly understandable, especially if Garrett plans on addressing the potential problems in a machine before its release. In that case, publicly being negative about a product is not constructive, at all.

Wouldn't this be true for any tester ?

 

[Bill_Ace_350]

Someone who is affiliated with Garrett is going to be affected by that relationship. We assume they will be more positive toward the Garrett product, although that's not guaranteed.

Either way, I (and I think most people) are more likely to believe a product review/analysis when the person doing the review does not have a relationship with the maker the the product.

I'm not saying any of Garrett's "employees" are going to to lie, but many of them will mislead, at least to some extent.

Well said. I agree.

 

[Diabolik]

There are two types of possible affiliation here, one is a person who is an actual employee of a company and one who is a dealer or reseller of the product. I do not believe either one would be dishonest in reviewing a new product but I think they will certainly keep a positive spin on it which they should. I am sure anything they have found that might be undesirable about the machine is being reported back to Garrett and I am sure that is the intent of these testers. There will be plenty of “honest” reviews and highlights of any shortcomings or pluses once it goes up for sale and is in the public’s hands. This is certainly a jump in technology and I think it only is going to bring good things to the hobby for all of us.

 

[mh9162013]

Wouldn't this be true for any tester ?

Theoretically, yes. But we don't always know if we need the salt shaker handy and if so, how much salt to use. That's why disclosure concerning relationships is so important. A biased opinion can still be useful but we need to know that there is bias there to begin with (or at least there's the potential for bias).

It's like a clock that's fast. If we don't know how fast it is, the clock isn't very useful. But if we know it's 6 minutes fast, then it can still be an accurate timekeeper.