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The FBI Files: Dents Run Civil War Gold

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Dennis Parada
The FBI dig at Dents Run story is NOT OVER YET, Its going to get a lot BIGGER this year, a LOT BIGGER. A lot new info will be coming out this summer.


Chad Granoski
What happens when the ruling favors the FBI and it comes out there was nothing there...


Dennis Parada
Chad Granoski We are beyond that thought . We have proven the FBI did do a Night Dig and 5 Armored Trucks in two convoys were on site.. The FBI did a massive cover up to hide what happened at Dents Run. The Fed Judge ruling is about info in the FBI files , if he ends this case and thinks the FBI gave us everything OK . We got more than enough to give the Senate. If the Fed Judge rules the FBI has to give us more files GREAT. No matter what happens we win. This case was all about the info the FBI had in their files and we will use that info to move ahead.


Chad Granoski
Dennis, nice just playing Devils advocate, wanted to know what your plan was going forward...when they rule in FBI favor of no gold was ever recovered, and they wasted their resources...


Dennis Parada
It will be up to the Senate to decide if any gold was located , Its amazing that DCNR has not started looking into this dig. After all if we are right 90% of what the FBI removed belong to the state of Pa. DCNR got nothing. Its not to late to turn things around.
 
SeabeeRon said:
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So sad that our court systems are filled with vexatious litigation like this.

Then later, when legitimate civilian gripes come up (when the common man needs his "day in court"), then the system is filled with layers & layers of bureaucracy and apathy ........ EXACTLY DUE TO this kind of time-wasting stuff :(
 
Tom_in_CA said:
Regarding the usage, in our conversation of "lying". t: "Create" Which implies volitional malicious knowledge. And the 3rd point "mislead" : Again implying malicious intent. In each case where : THE PERSON KNEW OTHERWISE.
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Neither "create" or "mislead" by definition involve nor require malicious intent. Malicious intent speaks to ones state of mind and often those who are lying don't even have malicious intent, often it's just a defensive mechanism to protect their ego or to defend or advance a position or belief they hold.

It appears you are creating definitions to further your narrative.

Create:
Verb,
- to bring (something) into existence: (Plaintiff would bring his story (the something) into existence by posting it.
- cause (something) to happen as a result of one's actions: (Plaintiff would cause his readers to believe something as a result of his postings (his actions).

Mislead:
Verb,
-give false or misleading information
-To give a wrong impression or lead toward a wrong conclusion, especially by intentionally deceiving.
 
GoDeep said:
Neither "create" or "mislead" by definition involve nor require malicious intent. Malicious intent speaks to ones state of mind and often those who are lying don't even have malicious intent, often it's just a defensive mechanism to protect their ego or to defend or advance a position or belief they hold.

It appears you are creating definitions to further your narrative.

Create:
Verb,
- to bring (something) into existence: (Plaintiff would bring his story (the something) into existence by posting it.
- cause (something) to happen as a result of one's actions: (Plaintiff would cause his readers to believe something as a result of his postings (his actions).

Mislead:
Verb,
-give false or misleading information
-To give a wrong impression or lead toward a wrong conclusion, especially by intentionally deceiving.
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Ok Go-Deep. I'll let you have the last word on this ^ ^


The important thing is that : The Dents Run narrative was put to bed. And served as a good case example of the psychology of treasure swoon legend in action. A modern day example of how these yarns get started, grow, and can-be-put to bed.
 
Tom_in_CA said:
So let me ask you : If you run into dowsing proponents, or 9-11 or chemtrail conspiracy buffs (that believe the most ridiculous things), then : Are they "lying" ? I guess by your middle definition, you'd have to say they're "lying". But I would say : No, they're wrong and they're stupid .
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This is a logical fallacy, a non sequitur argument. By merely being a "dowser", it does not follow that their statements about dowsing need be a lie, we'd need the actual statements of the dowser to examine the actual claims to determine if it may be a lie.

So lets do a hypothetical and substitute Plaintiffs posted claim with it being the dowsers claim:

"I was out dowsing, and my dowsing rods picked up on gold beneath the earth, I then contacted the DCNR to dig and they sent me a bond proposal and it stated in the bond, "I could only drive copper stakes into the ground, nothing more". We then seize a copy of the bond and it actually states he can bring in heavy equipment and drill out 25, 8" diameter cores 20 feet deep!

So yes, the dowser's statement would be a lie! Point being dowsers, no matter how much they believe in dowsing, can also lie.
 
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I have a hypothetical Tom, just to gauge whether you and I actually agree on the definition of "lie".

I would consider this lying to my wife, would you?

"I'm in court for a bench trial for assault, the judge renders his verdict, "David, I find you guilty of the charge of assault". I am then sent home to await my sentencing hearing.

As I walk in the door, my wife is there to greet me and she says, "Honey, did the judge find you guilty of assault and I replied, "No, I won my case, I was found not guilty!"

Did I lie to my wife? Yes or no? (There is no trick wording in there or caveats, just laying out a simple example)
 
GoDeep said:
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Did I lie to my wife? Yes or no? (There is no trick wording in there or caveats, just laying out a simple example)
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Hey there go-deep : I told ya earlier that I was content to give you the last word on all that. But ok, I'll address this ^ ^ too :

Yes , the person in that ^ ^ case, has lied to his wife. Because , by virtue of your story : He was found guilty. But instead Tells his wife he was found "not guilty". And there's an implication going on, in the story the whole time, that this person *knew* he was found guilty. But yet told his wife the opposite. Thus yes : Lied.

But how does this relate to people (like FK) that are caught up in conspiracy theories? In that case of persons falling for conspiracy theories, the person can sincerely believe them. And , as Carl said, even to the point of "believing their own lies".

And I know you're probably screaming at your computer screen right now saying : "Wait, how can a person believe their own lie ?". But yes : People can actually live in a contradiction AND NOT EVEN SEE IT. Just like the old Dead Men Don't Bleed yarn. When the patient insisted he was dead, he was not "lying" about his belief that he was dead. Wrong ? Yes. Lying ? No.


This is not to say that Dennis never lies about anything (we are all guilty of that, in our lives, at times). So if you're thinking that I think he's never lied : No. But I'm saying that when it comes to "believing there's a fabulous treasure that was stolen from him", then yes : He can sincerely believe that . As counter intuitive as that is (ie.: all the evidence points to "no treasure"). Because he could actually admit to individual lies "along the way" and claim that those things are : Achilles heels that do not defeat the BIGGER picture of : Fabulous treasure stolen.

Yes This is SO MUCH DANCING (back-peddling, contradictions, etc...) on FK's end that yes : It would seem that the only explanation is : Knowingly lying. But believe it or not, people can be THIS deluded.


Either way, we both know the D.R. issue has no validity. It didn't hold up to simple scrutiny. And if any TV show ever thought to entertain this as a topic, and did ONE OUNCE of research, then I'm convinced they find stuff like this study you did. And it's investigative work like yours here that are exactly what was needed . Will it steer this away from further publicity ? I hope so (heavens knows there's lots of junk on TV still, despite our digital information fact-check-age.)
 
Tom_in_CA said:
And I know you're probably screaming at your computer screen right now saying : "Wait, how can a person believe their own lie ?". But yes : People can actually live in a contradiction AND NOT EVEN SEE IT. Just like the old Dead Men Don't Bleed yarn. When the patient insisted he was dead, he was not "lying" about his belief that he was dead. Wrong ? Yes. Lying ? No.
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This we have always agreed on, I fully understand that people can live in a contradiction and not see it. They can believe their own lies, absolutely. See it every day. But on the same token, people living in a contradiction are not some special class of citizen who are less likely to lie, in fact, I'd argue they lie MORE than people not caught up in the contradiction like you and I. I find they start to lose their moral compass and have something to prove, they feel entitled and special, an ego defense mechanism, a justification for lying as the ends justifies the means to them.

But this is just a generality about people who are caught up in their own "swoon" of gold as you would call it, not Plaintiff specifically.

Plaintiff is different, yes he's definitely passionate about this legend, however, there's no evidence he's actually crazy, no evidence he's actually so deluded everything he says he believes. In fact, the opposite, this case is unique in that we've uncovered a ton of behind-the-scenes evidence, evidence that speaks to his intent, that speaks to his state of mind, that speaks to his motive. And to me, it paints a picture of an entitled man, a scheming man, a con man who desperately is seeking to gain the recognition and attention he feels the world owes him.
 
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Carl-NC said:
If you've ever directly dealt with a truly delusional person (I have)
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While I agree on your overall premise of truly delusional people, I see no evidence Plaintiff is so delusional, so cognitively impaired, so caught up in the swoon that he can't distinguish between fact or fiction. I know we describe him that way for the sport of online debate, but It's almost become as though its fact.
 
I guess this thread has gotten so long, some have forgotten that Plaintiff himself admits he intentionally misleads people. This is direct evidence from the horses mouth and he even describes his own intent and motive for doing it! This admission no longer exists, the mods quickly deleted it, but luckily I screen grabbed it first.

It's the holy grail of evidence: a confession.


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FreeBirdTim said:
Why would the Senate have anything to do with this tall tale? Can someone explain this new angle to me?
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He allegedly is going to or already has sent the file to the Senate. It's a pipe dream of his that they'll hold congressional hearings on it. But who knows, bang on enough doors as Tom likes to say and anything is possible...
 
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The Senate is another angle shoot for FK.

He will post for the next few years that he has to stay quiet since he sent the Senate all this new info or evidence he has.

He may send something or just lie and not send anything but it is 100% a way to drag out the drama for a few more years and never release anything new.

They don't have any new info or evidence but still trying their best to get someone to make a TV about them.
 
Thanx for the reply go-Deep. I will not cross swords with you on anything you say about Dents Run. I will let you have the last word on the fascinating side topic of : Lie vs stupid. No one can hold a candle to the work you did on all this. It was and is a great case example of how these treasure legends work, and how they evolve. And yes , how they can & should be put to bed.
 
Tom_in_CA said:
Yes , the person in that ^ ^ case, has lied to his wife. Because , by virtue of your story : He was found guilty. But instead Tells his wife he was found "not guilty". And there's an implication going on, in the story the whole time, that this person *knew* he was found guilty. But yet told his wife the opposite. Thus yes : Lied.
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It's great to actually see that you do believe Plaintiff has been lying in certain instances! You see, the example I posted earlier about a guy who lost his court case, but then went home and told his wife he'd actually won said court case, which you agreed was lying (and everyone sane knows it's lying) was not a hypothetical case, it was based on Plaintiffs case against the PA DCNR and I just changed the names and the charge!

- You see, a couple of years before Plaintiff brought a suit against the FBI, he had a case against the PA DCNR. In his case he brought a suit against the DCNR saying they abused their discretion in not turning over the warrant to him and asked the judge to order them to turn it over. The judge disagreed and ruled against Plaintiff handing him a sound defeat!

- Plaintiff however, knowing full well he had lost his case about the warrant, then goes out in public and claims he WON his case against the PA DCNR about the warrant! A clearly intentional lie as he knew he had actually lost.

- At that time, no one was following his case, (few even knew he had a case at that time) so he evidently felt free to lie. But I was following it and had access to the court file! When I called him on his lie (in a very polite manner as this was Tnet), he quickly deleted his entire claim and then the mods deleted my post and then purged the entire thread.


But luckily, I had the forethought to screen grab it before it got deleted:

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GoDeep said:
Great opportunity for someone who isn't banned from Plaintiffs Facebook page to go over there and invite this guy over here for an open discussion about what he knows.

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This was nothing but a big tease. He might as well stay "cut out and silent" as it doesn't appear he actually had anything substantiative to add.


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